NO again...he did not complain about John still being in. Why can't people get the facts straight....he asked for people to vote based on the dancing

Me either. Didn't he also say he was a selfish coward?

No i don't agree with James's comments. What little grain of a reasonable opinion he tried to express was lost beneath his obvious attitude problem and his nastiness to an elderly man who had found his place on the show untenable precisely because of similar kinds of comments coming at him from all directions.

We do have our facts straight.

If you happened to watch ITT on Moday, the behind-the-scenes footage clearly showed James stating that John should no longer be on the show.

For about the 3rd time tonight, I think James was totally correct. And he knew he would be pilloried for it so all credit to him for having the courage to state his view. Kate certainly seemed to agree with him. I think it is what the other contestants think but wouldnt have the guts to say, so they take the easy route.

Amazingly enough I don't see life as some sort of pantomime or fairy story inhabited by heroes and villains and knights in shining armour and wicked witches etc..

Generally with these 'controversies', some sense is talked on both sides...although it would seem that in itself might be a very controversial suggestion to some.

But as he kept saying tonight, it was the MANNER of his going that he disagreed with. He thougt that the public should not be voting for him, and thus he should be out of the show. He explained tonight that he thought he should have stayed in and been voted off by the public.

I agreed with everything James said (again not the way he said it, v rude).


I don't think JS should have left and I had a feeling during ITT tonight that he was loving the attention. I also want to add that I thought he was very cold towords Kristina and I didn't like that. I also think that John knows he would have gone this week - he was to do the jive!

There is no way they could have saved that and I think John knew that and was too lazy to try. Choosing instead to opt out letting down Kristina, the rest of the dancers and the people who voted for him.

I felt so bad for Kristina tonight she didn't deserve that.

I meant to say there is no way they would have been saved this week.

I do know what James was saying (and it did make sense)but i think he said it in a rather too direct a manner which also came out as slightly aggressive.

I do however applaud him for his honesty and his willingness to stand up and be counted for what he believes in.

If John was being selfish I don;t blame him. Why should he tolerate people phoning his wife complaining? abuse from some people on forums like this/media/judges? ill-feeling (if any) from contestants/pros?

I'd be 'selfish' and pull out too in his situation

Here here Fairygirl

Good post.
James wanted John to be voted out because of his poor dancing - he didn't want him to walk out and let everyone down.

I agree. I have never been a fan of them as such but have always been impressed by her routines and commitment. In fact if he had just sorted his shoulders John wouldn't have looked quite so not bothered in many dances, which is a shame.

I am astounded that his comments about not wanting to be in a dance off as it would be humiliating are not the source of more debate-poor Heather did how many? Yet stayed, and tried each week, which is what he should have done.

Man the hell up. Sheesh.

He walked out on a light entertainment show that has turned increasingly nasty. Hardly a matter of life and death.

He entered the competition knowing perfectly well what it is like - he is probably the most media savvy of all the competitors. He should have had the guts to stick it out and not let his partner down like that. I personally think he had got a bit bored with the whole thing and knew his time was coming to an end - so why not go out with a bang and a bit of drama?

What exactly was wrong with James's logic?

'He wanted the public to vote for the best dancers but if they didn't then John shouldn't have pulled out. If that meant he got to the final so be it that is what this dance/enterntainment show is about.'

He obviously, in addition, felt that John was not doing this entirely out of a selfless attitude but was using his political experience to judge what was best for him personally in terms of image and future sellability in the 'celebrity' world he now inhabits.

It is Johns logic that is faulty I am afraid. He has, quite correctly, been encouraging the public to vote for him, notwithstanding his dancing performance, as that is the nature and rules of the show.

Now he goes completely against what he has said with impeccable logic before and pulls out because he doesn't want excellent dancers to suffer on his behalf!

It makes you wonder if he really has had an epiphany or whether some other calculation lies behind his decision.

Maggie

James seems to be missing one thing. His point was that now instead of three talented dancers in the final there would only be two, which was a terrible thing.

Yet the odds were that the final would two talented dancers, and John. So nothing has changed at all.

Personally I think it's clear, if the producers want a dance competition based only on dancing then they should only sign up people who can dance. Let them fill the ranks with ex pop stars or actors who have been to Silvia Youngs and had dance lessons and the judges and dancers will all be happy.

Of course the viewers will desrts in their millions.

He let his partner down - this is her livelihood. All the professionals take it very seriously, and he made a mockery of the whole thing. If you are not going to see something through, then don't bother to start - this applies to everything imo, including light entertainment shows.

Good post. I think he really couldn't face doing the jive.

I hope that if SCD does survive they show James Jordan the door. What a seriously nasty piece of work he is.

Except that he clearly didn't feel that if John got to the final then so be it.

On Saturday he pleaded with the viewers to vote for the best dancers.

Behind the scenes he was filmed saying John should be out.

He stated that now a good dancer will leave on Saturday, thereby implying that if John had stayed in he wuld be the one to leave.

He also said the final would have been three talented dancers thereby indicating that in his mind John would
not be in the final.

None of his statements back up a claim of "so be it".

Don't talk nonsense, SCD isn't there livelihood.

Are you seriously saying that the dancers who went out in the first couple of weeks are now destitude and starving on the streets.

What SCD is a way to boost their profile and generate huge incomes from dance tours which pull in crowds because of SCD publicity. Do you really think that these events are not good publicity for her?

My point exactly - she needs to keep her face in front of the public for as long as possible - not be forced into leaving because John couldn't be bothered to continue.

I don't think I said anything about starving on the streets...........what was that about talking nonsense??

(By the way - do take the trouble to check your spelling, it will help to make you sound a little less ridiculous).

Agreed. And the other glaring irony that all the naysayers, judges, James et al don't seem to get is that if they'd all kept their mouths shut in the first place then he would have been out anyway soon enough. It's them mouthing off over the last 2/3 weeks that have led to everything getting so out of control.

Ah well - can't buy brains and all that...

Indeed,he probably found the idea of being bullied and abused by second rate dancers slightly surreal.