James Jordan is incredibly competitive. He changed his personality for 6 weeks or so acting like Mr sensitive and reasonable until he and Cherie was voted out. Now all his repressed anger has bubbled up and is spewing out of every orifice. The real James is on show now, spiteful and opinionated. I do agree that John should have stuck it out. However, I don't think James is particularly interested in Kristina's feelings.
Does anyone else see sense in James point...?
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Originally Posted by Liza with a Zee:
“James Jordan is incredibly competitive. He changed his personality for 6 weeks or so acting like Mr sensitive and reasonable until he and Cherie was voted out. Now all his repressed anger has bubbled up and is spewing out of every orifice. The real James is on show now, spiteful and opinionated. I do agree that John should have stuck it out. However, I don't think James is particularly interested in Kristina's feelings.”
“James Jordan is incredibly competitive. He changed his personality for 6 weeks or so acting like Mr sensitive and reasonable until he and Cherie was voted out. Now all his repressed anger has bubbled up and is spewing out of every orifice. The real James is on show now, spiteful and opinionated. I do agree that John should have stuck it out. However, I don't think James is particularly interested in Kristina's feelings.”
Blimey - talk about spiteful!!!!
Originally Posted by Italiangirl:
“My point exactly - she needs to keep her face in front of the public for as long as possible - not be forced into leaving because John couldn't be bothered to continue.”
“My point exactly - she needs to keep her face in front of the public for as long as possible - not be forced into leaving because John couldn't be bothered to continue.”
She's been referenced on every news show on every TV and radio channel today.
She's been talked about on Newsnight and PM.
There have been articles about her in The Times.
There will be dozens of pages in the tabloids tomorrow dedicated to her and John with photos of her face on every page.
She will end up receiving more publicity in two days than the others Dancers have generated since SCD began.
Originally Posted by Italiangirl:
“(By the way - do take the trouble to check your spelling, it will help to make you sound a little less ridiculous).”
“(By the way - do take the trouble to check your spelling, it will help to make you sound a little less ridiculous).”
Oh my goodness me, I quickly typed "there" instead of "their", obviously that invalidates my entire post and your statement automatically wins (regardless of the fact that it makes no sense at all).
Can't win an argument through reasoned logic, so you switch to cheap shots.
Originally Posted by Italiangirl:
“Blimey - talk about spiteful!!!!”
“Blimey - talk about spiteful!!!!
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I am merely stating my opinion. I believe that James has been putting on a charade for most of this season 'cause he has obviously been told that this would gain him a greater chance with the public. He too realises that it is more than a dancing competition......
maybe having Cherie as a partner bought out the best in him. People are usually calmer etc when they are happy. Doesn't mean he was putting on an act. He seems to have strong feelings about certain things - the same as many people on the boards. As everyone is entitled to an opinion that means no-one is wrong!
I was warming to James this year but he has now undone all the good by a momentary rant. Why was he chosen to put these views forward? Even Claudia was taken aback by the ferocity. Bad move Beeb, unless you want to pour oil on the waters. He came across as spiteful, inarticulate and not very bright. Pity.
He's entitled to his opinion, but his delivery needs serious work, especially if he wants a career in television.
There is a fundamental difference of opinion here. James says for every eviction John survives a dancer "better" than John will be evicted (just like every eviction survived by Kenny and Ola resulted in the eviction of a dancer "better" than Kenny, accompanied by complelete silence from James).
The judges said much the same with an air of infallibility and in a tone I would describe as sneering righteousness. SCD host Brucie then decided to join this gang of four. This then set an example with bitterness and nastiness escalating in the forums and everywhere with each passing week.
A noble principle indeed pronounced by the judges -- not to hold onto a job if doing so deprives a better candidate of same. Absorbing their advice I would say to Len, Craig, Arlene, and Bruno:
"Each year you occupy the judge's chair you are depriving SCD of a "better" judge, e.g. an ex world champion, who can be recruited from the Blackpool Festival of Dance." Is that correct, Len, Craig, Arlene, and Bruno?
In homes up and down Britain customers do not subscribe to James's or the judges' definition of a "good" dancer. They have different critera, and warm to John and to a spectacular degree to Kristina and her choreography. Not to put too fine a point on it, they do not believe in the 4 judges. Week after week a vote of no confidence is passed on the judges, votes by the million.......
The judges said much the same with an air of infallibility and in a tone I would describe as sneering righteousness. SCD host Brucie then decided to join this gang of four. This then set an example with bitterness and nastiness escalating in the forums and everywhere with each passing week.
A noble principle indeed pronounced by the judges -- not to hold onto a job if doing so deprives a better candidate of same. Absorbing their advice I would say to Len, Craig, Arlene, and Bruno:
"Each year you occupy the judge's chair you are depriving SCD of a "better" judge, e.g. an ex world champion, who can be recruited from the Blackpool Festival of Dance." Is that correct, Len, Craig, Arlene, and Bruno?
In homes up and down Britain customers do not subscribe to James's or the judges' definition of a "good" dancer. They have different critera, and warm to John and to a spectacular degree to Kristina and her choreography. Not to put too fine a point on it, they do not believe in the 4 judges. Week after week a vote of no confidence is passed on the judges, votes by the million.......
Originally Posted by astraeus:
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However, as James stated, by John quitting, a "good" dancer will still be leaving this weekend, and there will only be a 2 person final. Personally, I would have liked John to stay as,(unless a BBC producer has told him his voting figures are way above the rest and will undoubtedly win), he wouldn't have made it to the final as I believe/hope justice would prevail and the British public would have saved the best/better dancers at this stage.
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However, as James stated, by John quitting, a "good" dancer will still be leaving this weekend, and there will only be a 2 person final. Personally, I would have liked John to stay as,(unless a BBC producer has told him his voting figures are way above the rest and will undoubtedly win), he wouldn't have made it to the final as I believe/hope justice would prevail and the British public would have saved the best/better dancers at this stage.
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This is exactly what I have been telling my husband today. I think its a bit too little too late. I also think that most selfless acts backfire.
Originally Posted by Rorschach:
“James seems to be missing one thing. His point was that now instead of three talented dancers in the final there would only be two, which was a terrible thing.
Yet the odds were that the final would two talented dancers, and John. So nothing has changed at all.
Personally I think it's clear, if the producers want a dance competition based only on dancing then they should only sign up people who can dance. Let them fill the ranks with ex pop stars or actors who have been to Silvia Youngs and had dance lessons and the judges and dancers will all be happy.
Of course the viewers will desrts in their millions.”
“James seems to be missing one thing. His point was that now instead of three talented dancers in the final there would only be two, which was a terrible thing.
Yet the odds were that the final would two talented dancers, and John. So nothing has changed at all.
Personally I think it's clear, if the producers want a dance competition based only on dancing then they should only sign up people who can dance. Let them fill the ranks with ex pop stars or actors who have been to Silvia Youngs and had dance lessons and the judges and dancers will all be happy.
Of course the viewers will desrts in their millions.”
They really probably wouldn't... we've managed for all the series so far, unless you're suggesting we watched for the Fionas, Kennys, Kates and Julians (and the rest).
Originally Posted by Liza with a Zee:
“I am merely stating my opinion. I believe that James has been putting on a charade for most of this season 'cause he has obviously been told that this would gain him a greater chance with the public. He too realises that it is more than a dancing competition......”
“I am merely stating my opinion. I believe that James has been putting on a charade for most of this season 'cause he has obviously been told that this would gain him a greater chance with the public. He too realises that it is more than a dancing competition......”
Well you are being a little ridiculous - unless you actually know James is like this...
Originally Posted by soulmate61:
“There is a fundamental difference of opinion here. James says for every eviction John survives a dancer "better" than John will be evicted (just like every eviction survived by Kenny and Ola resulted in the eviction of a dancer "better" than Kenny, accompanied by complelete silence from James).
The judges said much the same with an air of infallibility and in a tone I would describe as sneering righteousness. SCD host Brucie then decided to join this gang of four. This then set an example with bitterness and nastiness escalating in the forums and everywhere with each passing week.
A noble principle indeed pronounced by the judges -- not to hold onto a job if doing so deprives a better candidate of same. Absorbing their advice I would say to Len, Craig, Arlene, and Bruno:
"Each year you occupy the judge's chair you are depriving SCD of a "better" judge, e.g. an ex world champion, who can be recruited from the Blackpool Festival of Dance." Is that correct, Len, Craig, Arlene, and Bruno?
In homes up and down Britain customers do not subscribe to James's or the judges' definition of a "good" dancer. They have different critera, and warm to John and to a spectacular degree to Kristina and her choreography. Not to put too fine a point on it, they do not believe in the 4 judges. Week after week a vote of no confidence is passed on the judges, votes by the million.......”
“There is a fundamental difference of opinion here. James says for every eviction John survives a dancer "better" than John will be evicted (just like every eviction survived by Kenny and Ola resulted in the eviction of a dancer "better" than Kenny, accompanied by complelete silence from James).
The judges said much the same with an air of infallibility and in a tone I would describe as sneering righteousness. SCD host Brucie then decided to join this gang of four. This then set an example with bitterness and nastiness escalating in the forums and everywhere with each passing week.
A noble principle indeed pronounced by the judges -- not to hold onto a job if doing so deprives a better candidate of same. Absorbing their advice I would say to Len, Craig, Arlene, and Bruno:
"Each year you occupy the judge's chair you are depriving SCD of a "better" judge, e.g. an ex world champion, who can be recruited from the Blackpool Festival of Dance." Is that correct, Len, Craig, Arlene, and Bruno?
In homes up and down Britain customers do not subscribe to James's or the judges' definition of a "good" dancer. They have different critera, and warm to John and to a spectacular degree to Kristina and her choreography. Not to put too fine a point on it, they do not believe in the 4 judges. Week after week a vote of no confidence is passed on the judges, votes by the million.......”
Come on - whether people vote for JS for entertainment, or anti-judge or whatever - it could not be because he was a good dancer. And I would bow to these people's opinion on the subject - which, whether off by the odd mark for something or other, is objective.
How do you know votes by the million? People have always voted for their favourite, it's not a vote of no confidence in the judges, they just choose their selection criteria differently - whether it's a vast improvement or dance ability or something else...
Yes! I saw sense in what James Jordan has been saying. But the way he said it wasn't the way to do it. He should have chosen his words more carefully. But that's James for you, he shoots from the hip. He's a passionate, fiery person, who cares about dancing so much. 
Although he personally came across very badly in that interview, I can agree with James on one point and that is that to back out of the competion is being rather selfish to his partner Kristina - as she gets no say in it and no doubt would have preferred to be voted out eventually in the usual way.
Can anyone answer a question for me? Last night's episode of ITT felt almost live somehow - but it has been said on the forums that it is actually recorded a few hours earlier in the afternoon. I only say this because Claudia, Anton and Kate all looked genuinely shocked at the things James was saying so I'm surprised if it was recorded why some of it wasn't edited out?
I get the feeling that he came across so badly that James will next year 'do a Nicole' and not be invited back - which is a bit strong I think. He is only as volatile and opinionated as Brendan usually is and he is still in the show.
Can anyone answer a question for me? Last night's episode of ITT felt almost live somehow - but it has been said on the forums that it is actually recorded a few hours earlier in the afternoon. I only say this because Claudia, Anton and Kate all looked genuinely shocked at the things James was saying so I'm surprised if it was recorded why some of it wasn't edited out?
I get the feeling that he came across so badly that James will next year 'do a Nicole' and not be invited back - which is a bit strong I think. He is only as volatile and opinionated as Brendan usually is and he is still in the show.
The u-turn full circle was attention seeking I don’t think John wants/needs tabloid attention perhaps the attention that James so desperately craves. What a shame like his dear little pinched face wife he couldn’t just pose in a few bits of string for the sun. Poor little James is never going to win.
Originally Posted by jules1000:
“Yes lots of people are now talking about him. Bingo everyones a winner.
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“Yes lots of people are now talking about him. Bingo everyones a winner.
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Yes....exactly somewhat projection from Mr Jordan one thinks.
I do sort of agree with him but I agree with the other posters who have disagreed with the way he came across when he said it. Kate & Anton put it across much better. I'm still unsure if I agree with his decision or not. Whether or not John left the competition now or by the natural order of things this years series will be remembered for the John Sargeant gaga, not the eventual winner.
I wasn't a fan of James until this series, I warmed to him when he was dancing with Cherie but this little outburst has reminded me why I don't like him. John hasn't done anything wrong. As I said, I'm not disagreeing with his point but he needs to learn to express an opinion without coming across as agressive.
I wasn't a fan of James until this series, I warmed to him when he was dancing with Cherie but this little outburst has reminded me why I don't like him. John hasn't done anything wrong. As I said, I'm not disagreeing with his point but he needs to learn to express an opinion without coming across as agressive.
Kate and Anton were the voice of reason, and didn't say what James said. John shouldn't have left, but we should treat the show like the entertainment show it is, and not get so riled when someone gets the popular vote.
Originally Posted by CaptainSensible:
“He said the right thing in the wrong way.
The ultimate responsibility for what has happened (I don't agree with John's decision) lies with the people who made such an issue of John staying in (something similar happens every year, but this year the reaction has been much more severe. Heaven knows why) instead of something that he has actually done.”
“He said the right thing in the wrong way.
The ultimate responsibility for what has happened (I don't agree with John's decision) lies with the people who made such an issue of John staying in (something similar happens every year, but this year the reaction has been much more severe. Heaven knows why) instead of something that he has actually done.”
I think it's the Daily Mail/Russel Brand/Johnathon Ross/Jeremy Clarkson hysteria started to die down and then WHAM! British public need something to get hysterical over.
Originally Posted by Shinyperson:
“They really probably wouldn't... we've managed for all the series so far, unless you're suggesting we watched for the Fionas, Kennys, Kates and Julians (and the rest).”
“They really probably wouldn't... we've managed for all the series so far, unless you're suggesting we watched for the Fionas, Kennys, Kates and Julians (and the rest).”
Yes, in a way I am. I do think that a great deal of the interest has been generated by those people who aren't professional dancers and who have struggled to learn teh dances, everyone loves to watch a "journey" as they say.
The same draw means that the earlier shows of X-Factor (when people are awful) can appeal to people more than the later polished performances.
If everyone from day one were to deliver excellent dances I think the show wouldn't be such a success. It would still draw in the viewers and I'm not saying no one would watch, because if you take millions away from millions you can still be left with millions.
It doesn't help that sometimes the celebrities who are great dancers can be rather boring (e.g. Rachel).
Originally Posted by MAMBONUMBER5:
“...so I'm surprised if it was recorded why some of it wasn't edited out?”
“...so I'm surprised if it was recorded why some of it wasn't edited out?”
Why would they, it made great telly. They extended ITT to an hour and it probably notched up it's highest audience ever.
Originally Posted by MAMBONUMBER5:
“I get the feeling that he came across so badly that James will next year 'do a Nicole' and not be invited back - which is a bit strong I think. He is only as volatile and opinionated as Brendan usually is and he is still in the show.”
“I get the feeling that he came across so badly that James will next year 'do a Nicole' and not be invited back - which is a bit strong I think. He is only as volatile and opinionated as Brendan usually is and he is still in the show.”
Time will tll. It probably depends on whether he lets it go or whether he appears in every tabloid going revealing back stage gossip and bad mouthing people.
i generally dont really like james jordan but i totally agreed with what he said on itt. john has acted selfishly and with cowardice
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