Am I missing something here? John could make it to the final but could he actually win? I thought the judges had the very final say in any case. Is this a senior moment on my part?
Does anyone else see sense in James point...?
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To be fair to James somebody had to balance the story otherwise it would be too much John ass licking.
Originally Posted by dottiep:
“Am I missing something here? John could make it to the final but could he actually win? I thought the judges had the very final say in any case. Is this a senior moment on my part?”
“Am I missing something here? John could make it to the final but could he actually win? I thought the judges had the very final say in any case. Is this a senior moment on my part?”
The public choose the winner. The judges don't have the final say.
Originally Posted by Maggie 55:
“What exactly was wrong with James's logic?
'He wanted the public to vote for the best dancers but if they didn't then John shouldn't have pulled out. If that meant he got to the final so be it that is what this dance/enterntainment show is about.'
He obviously, in addition, felt that John was not doing this entirely out of a selfless attitude but was using his political experience to judge what was best for him personally in terms of image and future sellability in the 'celebrity' world he now inhabits.
It is Johns logic that is faulty I am afraid. He has, quite correctly, been encouraging the public to vote for him, notwithstanding his dancing performance, as that is the nature and rules of the show.
Now he goes completely against what he has said with impeccable logic before and pulls out because he doesn't want excellent dancers to suffer on his behalf!
It makes you wonder if he really has had an epiphany or whether some other calculation lies behind his decision.
Maggie”
“What exactly was wrong with James's logic?
'He wanted the public to vote for the best dancers but if they didn't then John shouldn't have pulled out. If that meant he got to the final so be it that is what this dance/enterntainment show is about.'
He obviously, in addition, felt that John was not doing this entirely out of a selfless attitude but was using his political experience to judge what was best for him personally in terms of image and future sellability in the 'celebrity' world he now inhabits.
It is Johns logic that is faulty I am afraid. He has, quite correctly, been encouraging the public to vote for him, notwithstanding his dancing performance, as that is the nature and rules of the show.
Now he goes completely against what he has said with impeccable logic before and pulls out because he doesn't want excellent dancers to suffer on his behalf!
It makes you wonder if he really has had an epiphany or whether some other calculation lies behind his decision.
Maggie”
brilliant!!!
thats what i though but couldnt get it into words.
i think i love you, in a purely innocemt way that is
Originally Posted by Rorschach:
“Oh my goodness me, I quickly typed "there" instead of "their", obviously that invalidates my entire post and your statement automatically wins (regardless of the fact that it makes no sense at all).
Can't win an argument through reasoned logic, so you switch to cheap shots.”
“Oh my goodness me, I quickly typed "there" instead of "their", obviously that invalidates my entire post and your statement automatically wins (regardless of the fact that it makes no sense at all).
Can't win an argument through reasoned logic, so you switch to cheap shots.”
your have to be careful on hear with spelling and grammar or people can get really upity.
its very sad but i think it makes them feel good
Originally Posted by Maggie 55:
“What exactly was wrong with James's logic?
'He wanted the public to vote for the best dancers but if they didn't then John shouldn't have pulled out. If that meant he got to the final so be it that is what this dance/enterntainment show is about.'
He obviously, in addition, felt that John was not doing this entirely out of a selfless attitude but was using his political experience to judge what was best for him personally in terms of image and future sellability in the 'celebrity' world he now inhabits.
It is Johns logic that is faulty I am afraid. He has, quite correctly, been encouraging the public to vote for him, notwithstanding his dancing performance, as that is the nature and rules of the show.
Now he goes completely against what he has said with impeccable logic before and pulls out because he doesn't want excellent dancers to suffer on his behalf!
It makes you wonder if he really has had an epiphany or whether some other calculation lies behind his decision.
Maggie”
“What exactly was wrong with James's logic?
'He wanted the public to vote for the best dancers but if they didn't then John shouldn't have pulled out. If that meant he got to the final so be it that is what this dance/enterntainment show is about.'
He obviously, in addition, felt that John was not doing this entirely out of a selfless attitude but was using his political experience to judge what was best for him personally in terms of image and future sellability in the 'celebrity' world he now inhabits.
It is Johns logic that is faulty I am afraid. He has, quite correctly, been encouraging the public to vote for him, notwithstanding his dancing performance, as that is the nature and rules of the show.
Now he goes completely against what he has said with impeccable logic before and pulls out because he doesn't want excellent dancers to suffer on his behalf!
It makes you wonder if he really has had an epiphany or whether some other calculation lies behind his decision.
Maggie”
Yes!
There he was urging public support only to shirk it and bail. Pathetic. How come it was ok for him to stay in before but suddenly it's not?
Well said Maggie.
Originally Posted by dottiep:
“Am I missing something here? John could make it to the final but could he actually win? I thought the judges had the very final say in any case. Is this a senior moment on my part?”
“Am I missing something here? John could make it to the final but could he actually win? I thought the judges had the very final say in any case. Is this a senior moment on my part?”
Lets say Tom, Austin, John made the Final. In the Final if judges awarded the following ranking points:
Tom 3 out of 3,
Austin 2 out of 3,
John 1 out of 3
then phone voters awarded the following ranking points:
John 3 out of 3,
Austin 2 out of 3,
Tom 1 out of 3.
Then with all three candidates on equal 4 points, John will lift the glitterball according to SCD6 rules, because phone votes really count 51% and judges 49%. It is not 50-50.
But if Tom gets 2 out of 3 from audience votes, then with a total of 5 he cannot be overtaken by John.
I think James got a bit bogged down when he was talking yesterday. I know how he feels - it happens to me all the time. I find it difficult to get my point across sometimes and then start blustering. Particularly in "conversations" with my husband!
Originally Posted by Maggie 55:
“What exactly was wrong with James's logic?
'He wanted the public to vote for the best dancers but if they didn't then John shouldn't have pulled out. If that meant he got to the final so be it that is what this dance/enterntainment show is about.'
He obviously, in addition, felt that John was not doing this entirely out of a selfless attitude but was using his political experience to judge what was best for him personally in terms of image and future sellability in the 'celebrity' world he now inhabits.
It is Johns logic that is faulty I am afraid. He has, quite correctly, been encouraging the public to vote for him, notwithstanding his dancing performance, as that is the nature and rules of the show.
Now he goes completely against what he has said with impeccable logic before and pulls out because he doesn't want excellent dancers to suffer on his behalf!
It makes you wonder if he really has had an epiphany or whether some other calculation lies behind his decision.
Maggie”
“What exactly was wrong with James's logic?
'He wanted the public to vote for the best dancers but if they didn't then John shouldn't have pulled out. If that meant he got to the final so be it that is what this dance/enterntainment show is about.'
He obviously, in addition, felt that John was not doing this entirely out of a selfless attitude but was using his political experience to judge what was best for him personally in terms of image and future sellability in the 'celebrity' world he now inhabits.
It is Johns logic that is faulty I am afraid. He has, quite correctly, been encouraging the public to vote for him, notwithstanding his dancing performance, as that is the nature and rules of the show.
Now he goes completely against what he has said with impeccable logic before and pulls out because he doesn't want excellent dancers to suffer on his behalf!
It makes you wonder if he really has had an epiphany or whether some other calculation lies behind his decision.
Maggie”
Thank you, James didn't put it across very articulately, but he had good points.
John's epiphany has come about because, I honestly believe, quite simply, he couldn't do 2 dances, possibly 3 on Saturday.
John trains with the group on Sunday, trains with Kristina on Monday (and maybe Tuesday) and has a sudden change of heart on Wednesday and decides to fall on his sword - hmmm, not on Sunday, not on Monday, but after he's been training for at least a couple of days, with a faster paced dance - and it's only going to get even tougher from hereon in.
John's decided he physically couldn't do it, and there was very likely humiliation in store when he had to dance alongside the others in the group dance (no one has ever been humiliated in the dance off, judges are usually extremely kind 'much better performance' etc, when in truth the celeb has just danced like a drunk tellytubby)
Originally Posted by Italiangirl:
“He let his partner down - this is her livelihood. All the professionals take it very seriously, and he made a mockery of the whole thing. If you are not going to see something through, then don't bother to start - this applies to everything imo, including light entertainment shows.”
“He let his partner down - this is her livelihood. All the professionals take it very seriously, and he made a mockery of the whole thing. If you are not going to see something through, then don't bother to start - this applies to everything imo, including light entertainment shows.”
But according to all these people he should have gone weeks ago so she'd never have been in the competition at this stage anyway - especially if it had been up to them....
I completely agreed with what James had to say. I'm surprised so many people thought he shouldn't have said what he did. He made perfect sense to me and good on him for having the guts to say it.
Throughout John and Kristina's interview it seemed to me that the whole thing was about John. He constantly referred to himself and didn't seem to take Kristina's feelings into consideration at all.
Throughout John and Kristina's interview it seemed to me that the whole thing was about John. He constantly referred to himself and didn't seem to take Kristina's feelings into consideration at all.
Originally Posted by soulmate61:
“Lets say Tom, Austin, John made the Final. In the Final if judges awarded the following ranking points:
Tom 3 out of 3,
Austin 2 out of 3,
John 1 out of 3
then phone voters awarded the following ranking points:
John 3 out of 3,
Austin 2 out of 3,
Tom 1 out of 3.
Then with all three candidates on equal 4 points, John will lift the glitterball according to SCD6 rules, because phone votes really count 51% and judges 49%. It is not 50-50.
But if Tom gets 2 out of 3 from audience votes, then with a total of 5 he cannot be overtaken by John.”
“Lets say Tom, Austin, John made the Final. In the Final if judges awarded the following ranking points:
Tom 3 out of 3,
Austin 2 out of 3,
John 1 out of 3
then phone voters awarded the following ranking points:
John 3 out of 3,
Austin 2 out of 3,
Tom 1 out of 3.
Then with all three candidates on equal 4 points, John will lift the glitterball according to SCD6 rules, because phone votes really count 51% and judges 49%. It is not 50-50.
But if Tom gets 2 out of 3 from audience votes, then with a total of 5 he cannot be overtaken by John.”
Thanks for clarifying this for me and to Force Ten.
While I can see sense in James' point (& Maggie 55's excellent post) - I disagreed with him because I think John did everyone a favour by leaving.
John would have stayed in at least another week - what with the furore - and although it will only be a two person final - at least no better dancer had to leave over John - possibly missing out in their place in the final. Personally I think John would have made the final - if only beause of the furore.
I am fed up of all the nonsense surrounding John & now we can get on with the competition in peace.
John would have stayed in at least another week - what with the furore - and although it will only be a two person final - at least no better dancer had to leave over John - possibly missing out in their place in the final. Personally I think John would have made the final - if only beause of the furore.
I am fed up of all the nonsense surrounding John & now we can get on with the competition in peace.
Originally Posted by yenston:
“I completely agreed with what James had to say. I'm surprised so many people thought he shouldn't have said what he did. He made perfect sense to me and good on him for having the guts to say it.
Throughout John and Kristina's interview it seemed to me that the whole thing was about John. He constantly referred to himself and didn't seem to take Kristina's feelings into consideration at all.”
“I completely agreed with what James had to say. I'm surprised so many people thought he shouldn't have said what he did. He made perfect sense to me and good on him for having the guts to say it.
Throughout John and Kristina's interview it seemed to me that the whole thing was about John. He constantly referred to himself and didn't seem to take Kristina's feelings into consideration at all.”
But in fairness in that pairing it is about him not Christina likewise all the couples.
Originally Posted by soulmate61:
“Lets say Tom, Austin, John made the Final. In the Final if judges awarded the following ranking points:
Tom 3 out of 3,
Austin 2 out of 3,
John 1 out of 3
then phone voters awarded the following ranking points:
John 3 out of 3,
Austin 2 out of 3,
Tom 1 out of 3.
Then with all three candidates on equal 4 points, John will lift the glitterball according to SCD6 rules, because phone votes really count 51% and judges 49%. It is not 50-50.
But if Tom gets 2 out of 3 from audience votes, then with a total of 5 he cannot be overtaken by John.”
“Lets say Tom, Austin, John made the Final. In the Final if judges awarded the following ranking points:
Tom 3 out of 3,
Austin 2 out of 3,
John 1 out of 3
then phone voters awarded the following ranking points:
John 3 out of 3,
Austin 2 out of 3,
Tom 1 out of 3.
Then with all three candidates on equal 4 points, John will lift the glitterball according to SCD6 rules, because phone votes really count 51% and judges 49%. It is not 50-50.
But if Tom gets 2 out of 3 from audience votes, then with a total of 5 he cannot be overtaken by John.”
Has SCD6 changed again then? SCD5 changed from previous years and the judges scores didn't count at all - the result was 100% based on viewers votes.
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