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Well I have to agree that the article is a load of hyped up rubbish.
I was at the party after the show last week and many of the couples who supposedly don't get on, according to this article, were chatting away quite happily with each other. Trust me, it was a big room, they could easily have chosen not to socialise together without it looking obvious if they had wished to. No animosity at all seen between Brendan and Craig, both came across very happy and just having a good time.
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I don't think it's fair that everyone is basing the pros and the celebs supposedly being cruel to John on James behaviour, especially since he's proven what an ass he can be in the past, I wouldn't be surprised if James was the only one with the problem.
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Not a problem.
I will admit to not noticing James and John specifically talking to each other so couldn't comment as to whether there's a problem between them or not but in general John was speaking with the celebs and dancers around him and there was no atmosphere that I noticed. I'm not really a James fan anyway so wasn't really focused on him.oh, that sounds harsher than I meant it to. |
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I don't think it's fair that everyone is basing the pros and the celebs supposedly being cruel to John on James behaviour, especially since he's proven what an ass he can be in the past, I wouldn't be surprised if James was the only one with the problem.
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I assumed - probably quite rightly - that it was his wife who asked him to leave the show. She is a private person who doesn't like the publicity - and he is devoted to her!
In the end John cares a million times more about what she thinks than he does about what the judges or public do. He is retired effectively after all so doesn't need to worry about a career (like Rachel Stevens et al). He will make a lot of money though out of this! |
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How individuals are treating each other in public is one thing; how some of them are briefing the press off the record is quite another. It's a little naive to confuse the two.
![]() Remember also 3 things: 1) the party wasn't really a reflection of "public" behaviour as it wasn't open to the public 2) John chose to go to it. Not everyone was there and it's not compulsory so if there really was such a bad relationship between him and everyone else, why would he go? 3) there really was no noticeable atmosphere between him and anyone else there. In fact, the only atmosphere I witnessed myself was when a non-celeb tried to talk to him and he refused (and no, that wasn't me). Not a great reaction for someone relying on votes and public support or particularly indicative of his "public" image as portrayed on the show matching his "real life" behaviours. But that's just my "naïve" opinion from what I experienced. |
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I smell a dirty rat!
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4 steps going down a spiral
Saturday 7pm - at the end of the AS John and Kristina walked up the stairs towards the back room. Had Brucie not urgently called them back, their body language showed they definitely would have carried on walking away. Saturday 10pm - After his eviction James volunteered an unprecedented statement. He said "Please, please" but there was no disguising his message, that millions of customers needed to pay with their own money and vote James's way. Monday 6:30pm ITT - James reaffirmed his advice to 10 million viewers - to vote James's way and get rid of John. Wednesday 6pm special ITT - after John got rid of himself, James restated his position in even stronger terms, adding that John has perpetrated the most selfish act ever known to SCD. Arlene tried to produce tears for John but failed. Len basically said, "Who? Me?", Bruno made himself scarce. Craig on the phone called John a coward. After these 4 steps in the downward spiral in the full glare of TV, radio, and newspapers watched by a natiowide audience far exceeding SCD's usual 10 million, BBC management chose to continue seeing nothing, hearing nothing, saying nothing. Thursday - The following poll of 500 improvised by taxi_driving and published in DS at 7pm (without professional demographic sampling, but many will agree the findings are not too different from numerous outher newspaper online poll results: http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/forums/s...412&highlight= Quote:
We polled 500 people today on the weeks events, and the results are as follows:
Has the JS resignation damaged the brand? - Yes 67% - No 33% .... Has your interest in this years competion diminished? - Yes 39% - No 61% Quote:
It was people who came into our shop, Exeter city centre(ish) newsagents, who responded "yes" to an initial question, do you watch SCD?
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We have just read the Daily Mail article and for those people who do not use or read forums, but do read the said newspaper and have watched the recent news bulletins on television, the article will be quite believable.
My OH mother was a professional dancer and she said there is some bitchiness and cattiness amongst dancers so this article as she said can be believable. She says it goes with the territory. Who or what is to blame, we shall never know. We think it is a culmination of all people and situations involved. The show is damaged, but will recover. It just leaves a bad taste at the moment. We feel 16 weeks is far too long. Adios y hasta luego. |
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It's the Daily Mail - they probably think it's their duty to exaggerate and sensationalise. The only fact that can be substantiated is the fact that John was frozen out by most other partnerships last Saturday - this was confirmed by Anton on ITT when he said 'someone opened the fridge door.'
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It's the Daily Mail - they probably think it's their duty to exaggerate and sensationalise. The only fact that can be substantiated is the fact that John was frozen out by most other partnerships last Saturday - this was confirmed by Anton on ITT when he said 'someone opened the fridge door.'
But the basics of the story correspond with other leaks and confirmations concerning the atmosphere backstage. I think it is a fair reflection. |
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I agree. Some exaggeration, as is always the case with these stories..and not just from the Daily Mail.
But the basics of the story correspond with other leaks and confirmations concerning the atmosphere backstage. I think it is a fair reflection. |
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On this point the article is correct - it has been reported that the judges earn £90,000.
That's another tabloid trick. Include some accepted facts. It tends to make the article that includes them seem more credible, but those facts don't actually show that anything from the anonymous "sources" and "insiders" has any credibility at all. |
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I agree. Some exaggeration, as is always the case with these stories..and not just from the Daily Mail.
But the basics of the story correspond with other leaks and confirmations concerning the atmosphere backstage. I think it is a fair reflection. Ditto for other "leaks". The papers often copy from each other or press similar ideas to stir up interest, thus creating the illusion of multiple, independent sources. |
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No, not hard at all. The thing is, things like cruises, albeit working cruises, sound so exotic and glamourous to some people (& I am sure they are lovely if you like that sort of thing), but for someone like John they are things that come up every now and then and he can pick and choose. Anyway I hope he manages to relax a bit while he is away, this last week cannot have been easy for him nor for his family (it's been bad enough for us
.If so, perhaps they have to turn them down to avoid accusations of conflict of interest, and so would welcome new offers once that's no longer an issue. |
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Really? Political correspondents are offered exotic and glamourous cruises from time to time?
If so, perhaps they have to turn them down to avoid accusations of conflict of interest, and so would welcome new offers once that's no longer an issue. |
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John retired from journalism six years' ago - he's no longer a politcal correspondent.
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John retired from journalism six years' ago - he's no longer a political correspondent.
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Apart from Anton's opinion, are there any "confirmations" from any named and credible source?
Ditto for other "leaks". The papers often copy from each other or press similar ideas to stir up interest, thus creating the illusion of multiple, independent sources. |
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Yes, we cruised to the North Cape in the summer and artists (and some staff) flew in and out from various ports. One came on for only two nights.
All sorts of backgrounds are chosen for lectures and talks. I am sure John is a really interesting after dinner speaker. |
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Well, there is no "smoking gun" ( apart from James perhaps )..but if you take a cursory look at the weight of circumstantial evidence that has appeared throughout the course of the week, it becomes obvious that SCD was not a happy ship. I did only say that the article seemed to be a fair reflection of the "atmosphere"..this also appeared to be confirmed by John's leaving speech..as outsiders, we obviously have to "read between the lines" to some extent.
I agree with that. We all know the taboids do exagerate for effect but the essence of this story very much fits well with what I've seen on main show/ITT/various other shows where judges in particular interviewed. I know at time many of us wondered why John didn't comfort Kristina when she cried on ITT on Wednesday. Even that is explained for me when I read about him being accused on getting too touchy feely with females on set. This is just nonsense as it is clear that John/Kristina had a wonderful relationship & she had no problem with him. If anyone was going to be upset by this type of behaviour it would be his partner. Compare this with Lilia & the guy from The One Show last year where she looked totally uncomfortable with him. I was relieved for her when they got voted out, |
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I don't have a problem with the article, obviously there may be some inaccuracies, but it generally seemed to have alot of the truth ...
(Don't have a problem with the Mail either, I love Bel Mooney's column every Saturday )
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Strikes me that the reporter has read too many of our posts
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Well I have to agree that the article is a load of hyped up rubbish.
I was at the party after the show last week and many of the couples who supposedly don't get on, according to this article, were chatting away quite happily with each other. Trust me, it was a big room, they could easily have chosen not to socialise together without it looking obvious if they had wished to. No animosity at all seen between Brendan and Craig, both came across very happy and just having a good time. Quote:
Yes, John and kristina both went to the party afterwards and were chatting to all the other dancers and celebs. Cherie was in high spirits despite what had happened. I saw no evidence whatsoever there of any bad feeling between anyone and no one being "off" with either of them. In fact, sorry to say but the only person there at all who wasn't willing to mix the non celebs, even for a few minutes, seemed to be John who's had to rely totally on the public's votes surprisingly. I was a bit disapointed in him to be honest but will give him the benefit of the doubt as it was not long after the show.
For all the press say about his attitude and image, by far the friendliest, nicest and most sociable person there was Brendan. Of the judges, only Craig was there and he too was having a great time mixing with everyone. Saw Len just before the show, he's so much taller than I expected. Quote:
I thought at the time that he didn't want to look in the wrong, what with the age gap and so on.
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For once, some of the content of the article seems sensible and reliable.
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I always think it's sad when a group of unknowns,have a degree of fame.... and suddenly their egos grow out of all proportion,the competitiveness and win at all costs that are the professional dancing circuit ,seem to have spread like a cancer into the Saturday night light entertainment show that was Strictly Come Dancing...and this isn't the 1st time I've read this.
Without raking over old coals I'd say most people have a pretty shrewd idea who the perpetrators are,and to be honest if the professional dancers, and judges, want a professional dancing competition, then the Beeb should rightly send them back to the ballroom circuit,also make it clear to celebs in the future that Strictly is a reality show..and guess what the public may not like them,regardless of dancing ability, therefore not vote for them. I remember the start of this series the number of posts ,me included which went along the lines of ,somethings not right,don't know what....or something's missing can't put my finger on it...now we know, obviously that awful atmosphere transferred to our TV screens,hence the fun and enjoyment that is integral to SCD were gone,and we can all see why everyone was so intense. Ellie |
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