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Old 20-04-2008, 18:28
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It doesent even seems as if the loss of Neighbours has affected them to any great degree their still getting 20-50% consistently in daytime with things like Bargain hunt and Diagnosis murder repeats from the 80s. On most days the BBC has already won the all day shares by teatime.
I think the loss of Neighbours has affected BBC Two more than BBC One as they lost the Weakest Link to BBC One. BBC Two used to be fo quite well in daytime but are now languishing in fifth place.
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Old 20-04-2008, 18:39
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ITV are just not consistent enough with providing quality shows which get high ratings. They've got the soaps, 3 hit reality shows and sunday night dramas. But hardly anything else gets 6-7m+ for them.

On weeknights, even though they've got two mega soaps, they still lose to BBC1 in the all-day shares every day. If BBC1 didn't show the Kids TV between 3.30-5.00 (like ITV1), then their all day share would be even higher.

I think a reason for ITV's lower ratings are the schedulers. Some of the decisions made in terms of scheduling have been terrible- Moving Wallpaper and Echo Beach on Fridays when the core audience is out!
You're forgetting Benidorm and Trial & Retribution, very good for weeknights. Also, The Bill is getting stronger.
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Old 20-04-2008, 18:42
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You're forgetting Benidorm and Trial & Retribution, very good for weeknights. Also, The Bill is getting stronger.
They're good. But still only 3 more good shows for ITV. Not much really.
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Old 20-04-2008, 18:46
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It seems that Five are repeating Paul Merton in China which was their surprise hit of last year. I wonder if it was conicide with in case they win a BAFTA or is a lead in to the upcoming Paul Merton in India.
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Old 20-04-2008, 18:48
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Some great ratings around last night.
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Old 20-04-2008, 18:57
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It seems that Five are repeating Paul Merton in China which was their surprise hit of last year. I wonder if it was conicide with in case they win a BAFTA or is a lead in to the upcoming Paul Merton in India.
Yup. I even saw adverts for it, which is relatively unusual for a repeat I guess. A high profile slot as well, replacing the highly successful Extraordinary People.

I must admit it was a fab series so deserves a re-run for those that missed it. What's it up against tonight (at the BAFTAs) and any word on when the new series (...In India) will be starting?
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Old 20-04-2008, 19:02
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Yup. I even saw adverts for it, which is relatively unusual for a repeat I guess. A high profile slot as well, replacing the highly successful Extraordinary People.

I must admit it was a fab series so deserves a re-run for those that missed it. What's it up against tonight (at the BAFTAs) and any word on when the new series (...In India) will be starting?
It's up against Tribe, Meet the Natives and The Tower: A Tale of Two Cities. I think it has a strong chance of winning though I have a feeling that Meet The Natives will win even though I swear I saw something similar with Donal Macintyre on Five months before MTN aired.

I think the India series will air in June or July though they only finished filming it a few weeks ago so I'm not certain.
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Old 20-04-2008, 19:21
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I note that ITV1 have scheduled Taggart up against Waking the Dead. I think thats a mistake, Taggart will likely lose and the audience for both series will be reduced. It would go much better in a Thursday night slot against The Invisibles on BBC ONE which is untried and untested, and is a different type of genre anyway. Instead we have yet another Rich List programme which is pathetic.
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Old 20-04-2008, 20:06
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Why is Saturday the only night where the timing of the schedule always changes? Why do programmes not stay in the same timeslot like they do every other night of the week?
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Old 20-04-2008, 20:06
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They're good. But still only 3 more good shows for ITV. Not much really.
TV Burp, Wire in the Blood, Doc Martin, Saturday Night Takeaway, An Audience with..., Boxing, Football, Hell's Kitchen and Dancing on Ice. (and maybe Beat the Star)

Reasons I watch ITV
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Old 20-04-2008, 20:08
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Why is Saturday the only night where the timing of the schedule always changes? Why do programmes not stay in the same timeslot like they do every other night of the week?
Because there are no soaps, no REGULAR ratings winners throughout the year.

So, they try to out-wit each other (BBC and ITV)
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Old 20-04-2008, 20:52
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If I were in charge of the BBC ONE scheduling:

5.40 The Kids Are Alright (This would absolutely not be recomissioned, however)

6.20 I'd Do Anything

7.20 Doctor Who

8.05 The National Lottery 1 vs. 100

8.55 Casualty

9.45 Love Soup

10.15 A Question of Sport

10.45 BBC News; Regional News; Weather

11.05 Match of the Day

BBC can't air Match of the Day beyond 10.30 AFAIK. It's an agreement with the Premier league.

How they could do it is:

5.15 BBC News
5.30 The Kids Are Alright
6.10 I'd Do Anything
7.10 Doctor Who
7.55 National Lottery
8.45 Love Soup
9.15 Casualty
10.05 BBC News
10.30 Match of the Day
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Old 20-04-2008, 20:57
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It had lower ratings than that last series when it was on earlier....so I don't think it's anything to worry about.

In fact, having checked, three episodes last year had final BARB ratings lower than this....and I'd expect the final BARB ratings for this weeks to be at least 7.5 million.
That 6.9m is the lowest audience share that new Doctor Who has ever had except for series two's 'The Idiot's Lantern'.

It's not so much the amount of viewers you can get, but how many viewers you can get from the available audience.
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Old 20-04-2008, 21:01
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That 6.9m is the lowest audience share that new Doctor Who has ever had except for series two's 'The Idiot's Lantern'.

It's not so much the amount of viewers you can get, but how many viewers you can get from the available audience.
Why BBC doesn't treat Doctor Who like it does EastEnders is anyone's guess. It has potential to be a ratings hit...indeed it IS ratings hit, but manouvering it about the schedules is doing it no good at all. The schedule hasn't changed at all from last week, so why the time change? If it's the same week from week, stick to a plan. That way the audience'd know where they stood for shows.

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Old 20-04-2008, 21:27
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Why BBC doesn't treat Doctor Who like it does EastEnders is anyone's guess. It has potential to be a ratings hit...indeed it IS ratings hit, but manouvering it about the schedules is doing it no good at all. The schedule hasn't changed at all from last week, so why the time change? If it's the same week from week, stick to a plan. That way the audience'd know where they stood for shows.
I don't know, it's baffling that they want to use it to just prop up 'I'd Do Anything'.
Complacency I suppose.
I would have thought Doctor Who should be part of the main Saturday night primetime line-up,...not used as a mere lead-in for some talent show.
It almost feels as though it's been demoted and undermined in some way in the way it is apparently seen as a lead-in for Graham Norton's show.
It's like going to a concert and finding that The Beatles are the warm-up act for S Club 7.
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Old 20-04-2008, 21:30
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I don't know, it's baffling that they want to use it to just prop up 'I'd Do Anything'.
Complacency I suppose.
I would have thought Doctor Who should be part of the main Saturday night primetime line-up,...not used as a mere lead-in for some talent show.
It almost feels as though it's been demoted and undermined in some way in the way it is apparently seen as a lead-in for Graham Norton's show.
It's like going to a concert and finding that The Beatles are the warm-up act for S Club 7.
I think the problem is last year Any Dream'll Do was a big hit for BBC1 - the schedulers conviently forgetting it was against a similar, poorer version on ITV1. Now ITV have offered an alternative, the ratings for I'd Do Anything, though healthy, are not quite up to ADWD's standard. So they keep tampering with the schedule to try and boost the viewing figures - instead of accepting around 6m as a good total, and pushing forward Doctor Who as the Saturday nigh lynchpin.
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Old 20-04-2008, 23:09
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I don't know, it's baffling that they want to use it to just prop up 'I'd Do Anything'.
Complacency I suppose.
It's exactly what they do with Strictly in the autumn, putting it out stupidly early at 5.40pm in order to prop up Robin Hood and act as a "gateway" to the evening.

I'm not sure the 6.20 start itself is hurting Doctor Who too much though, it's the spring/summer timeslot (showing in daylight) and the slot moving around - 6.20, then 6.45, then back to 6.20 again.

No doubt about 10.3m being an excellent performance by BGT, if slightly depressing. But still, it shows that viewers want mainstream entertainment on a Saturday night, something they don't always get.
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Old 20-04-2008, 23:38
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Its over reacting because the state of the country cant be divined from which tv shows are most popular. You cant say that everyone are morons & chavs for watching things you personally dont like. People have different tastes and I dont think insulting people because their taste is different is very grown up.

I like Dr Who (I liked the old Who better - but thats another story) but its ratings dip last night is mainly due to Man Utd playing on Stenata from 5.15- 7pm. Its audience will bounce back next week in all likelihood.

I dont like Mr & Mrs, but I dont lose any sleep because about 7m seem to enjoy watching it.
The only problem here is that when you constantly get very high ratings for pretty low brow television it will hardly encourage channels like ITV to commission quality programming. Why should it when 10m tune into the most basic and cheap stuff to produce, and yes, I Can Do Anything comes under this as well in case you think this is soley an ITV bashing effort.

I can't blame them for doing it either. That's some good advertising money there with minimal risk. Sure, Primeval was a reasonable Saturday night success but has high production costs, as does any decent drama (no jokes about Primeval not being decent drama please!). Basically if that many people are going to tune into this sort of tat then that is pretty much what we're going to get, and lots of it.

If you don't believe they'd take this route, please tell me how much evening weekday programming ITV dedicates to soaps. I seem to recall that Monday nights are especially rich in quality.
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Old 20-04-2008, 23:48
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The only problem here is that when you constantly get very high ratings for pretty low brow television it will hardly encourage channels like ITV to commission quality programming. Why should it when 10m tune into the most basic and cheap stuff to produce, and yes, I Can Do Anything comes under this as well in case you think this is soley an ITV bashing effort.

I can't blame them for doing it either. That's some good advertising money there with minimal risk. Sure, Primeval was a reasonable Saturday night success but has high production costs, as does any decent drama (no jokes about Primeval not being decent drama please!). Basically if that many people are going to tune into this sort of tat then that is pretty much what we're going to get, and lots of it.

If you don't believe they'd take this route, please tell me how much evening weekday programming ITV dedicates to soaps. I seem to recall that Monday nights are especially rich in quality.
Exactly. Any commericail channel will want ratings in order to be more atytractive to advertisers. Corrie/Emerdale/BGT et al. bring in viewers, and therefore more people watch the shows, therefore more people watch the adverts, therefore the slots are worth more money.

And I'm one of the low brow civilians who likes BGT
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Old 20-04-2008, 23:50
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Indeed. I'm one of the chavs who was off the street for that hour on Saturday.
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Old 20-04-2008, 23:52
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Indeed. I'm one of the chavs who was off the street for that hour on Saturday.
What did you do afterwards? Break into a car? What my grandmother did after watching it.
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Old 21-04-2008, 00:00
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Apart from the "obvious" crime reduction benefits of BGT (I didn't stab anyone between 8 and 9pm on Saturday), there was a thread on here last week suggesting that it's not "cheap" TV. It supposedly costs £1 million an episode!!
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Old 21-04-2008, 10:48
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BAFTAs 5.6m (21.6%)
Foyle's War 7.3m (28.1%)

http://www.broadcastnow.co.uk/news/2...he_baftas.html
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Old 21-04-2008, 10:56
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I'm really surprised the BAFTAs got that much. I was thinking more around the 3.5/4m mark.
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Old 21-04-2008, 11:14
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I'm really surprised the BAFTAs got that much. I was thinking more around the 3.5/4m mark.
Me too. The production is so out of date. I feel embarrassed for the 'celebrities' having to announce the nominations.
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