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Ratings Thread (Part 2)
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rzt
21-05-2008
Originally Posted by PJMillar:
“No, it won't.

The Champions League moves to Wednesday in two seasons time, that's why I'm neglecting it.”

What do you think of my schedule PJMIllar?
http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/forums/s...ostcount=11265
dan2008
21-05-2008
Next Thursday Eastenders and The bill clash
The Bill airs 730-830pm

the last time they clashed Eastenders won hands down didn't they?
mr_scotty2hotty
21-05-2008
five has gotten worse than ever recently.... why??
D.M.N.
21-05-2008
Well its 1-1 at half time, ITV could expect some big time ratings for the 2nd half. IMO, The Apprentice will definitely be dented.
sn_22
21-05-2008
Yeah, it'll be interesting to see how The Apprentice holds up - if at all. I know I'll stick with the football and be watching it on the iplayer later. ITV will be happy with the Chelsea equaliser. If it goes to extra time and even penalties, they can probably expect another 1 or 2 million on top of their peak figure (look at the 2005 Champions League final, or the 2006 FA Cup final - massive peaks achieved during their respective climaxes).
Fudd
21-05-2008
Full time 1-1, ITV will be drooling at this, could be their best ratings all year, depending on the popularity of Britain's Got Talent/X Factor.

Think The Apprentice is going to be hit. Question is, by how much.
Thebenster
21-05-2008
Penalties now, my guess is a 14m peak.
Andy23
21-05-2008
I can see the BBC Ten O'Clock News having low ratings, firstly everyone will be watching ITV, secondly, don't most The Apprentice viewers turn over to You're Fired on BBC2
TBB
21-05-2008
I can see News at Ten going up by a large margin tonight because it will probably be on at around 11 instead, and presumably a large portion of regular BBC News at Ten viewers will be watching ITV now, so they'll get their news fix from News at 'Ten' instead.
Fudd
21-05-2008
Originally Posted by TBB:
“I can see News at Ten going up tonight because it will probably be on at around 11 instead, and presumably a large portion of regular BBC News at Ten viewers will be watching ITV now, so they'll get their news fix from News at 'Ten' instead.”

TBH tonight, and next week with Britain's Got Talent, is what ITV have been waiting for. It's more likely people'll watch the News now, and see the difference between that and BBC News at 10.
PJMillar
21-05-2008
Originally Posted by rzt:
“What do you think of my schedule PJMIllar?
http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/forums/s...ostcount=11265”

I'm a massive United fan so I'm celebrating the biggest win this century. I looked a little bit and I need to look at other people's as well. There's been some great responses. I like the fact the Ratings Thread can tackle so many TV subjects that links in with ratings.

One question for you, Isn't Champions League on Wednesday nights only starting in 2009/10 season, so my schedule was for the autumn where Champions League is on a Tuesday.
Fudd
21-05-2008
Originally Posted by PJMillar:
“I'm a massive United fan so I'm celebrating the biggest win this century. I looked a little bit and I need to look at other people's as well. There's been some great responses. I like the fact the Ratings Thread can tackle so many TV subjects that links in with ratings.

One question for you, Isn't Champions League on Wednesday nights only starting in 2009/10 season, so my schedule was for the autumn where Champions League is on a Tuesday.”

IIRC, yes, the switch occurs in 09/10, next season it remains on Tuesday for ITV1.
Andy23
21-05-2008
I can actually see News at Ten's ratings not being particularly high tonight. It's going to be on so late, people may probably just go to bed without watching any news tonight

The way they report the football's ratings will be interesting too, as the whole programme lasting over 4 hours may average not as high as many are expecting
jde-tv
21-05-2008
lets not forget that Desperate housewives might get an extra couple of hundred thousend for tonights episode, after it beeing advertised allot
square_eyes
21-05-2008
Not strictly ratings but how does the over run of the football affect the ad breaks ?

Presumably advertisers buy slots to be within specific programmes, so what happens when as tonight the football overruns.

Do they have stand-by advertisers in the event of extra time / penalties etc ?
rzt
21-05-2008
COME ON UNITED!!!
My updated predictions:
Whole Coverage: 10.5m
Match: 13m
Peak: 16m when Man Utd won!
Fudd
21-05-2008
Originally Posted by square_eyes:
“Not strictly ratings but how does the over run of the football affect the ad breaks ?

Presumably advertisers buy slots to be within specific programmes, so what happens when as tonight the football overruns.

Do they have stand-by advertisers in the event of extra time / penalties etc ?”

Presumably it's the same adverts that would air during the news/whatever was going to follow it? Maybe there's a clause in the contract saying in an event of a overrun, ITV'd be paid more, or something.

LOL. Big Ben got stuck at 10 o'clock for the ITV News
TBB
21-05-2008
Originally Posted by Fudd:
“Presumably it's the same adverts that would air during the news/whatever was going to follow it? Maybe there's a clause in the contract saying in an event of a overrun, ITV'd be paid more, or something.

LOL. Big Ben got stuck at 10 o'clock for the ITV News”

The graphics too by the look of it

I think the adverts just play out as normal, so I think there must be some sort of clause. Mustn't be bad for the advertisers though getting a slot in the footie final when paying much less for a slot in News at Ten!
square_eyes
21-05-2008
Originally Posted by Fudd:
“Presumably it's the same adverts that would air during the news/whatever was going to follow it? ”

Not sure about that, there seemed to be a lot more adverts than you'd get in normal post News at Ten slots.
rzt
21-05-2008
Originally Posted by square_eyes:
“Not strictly ratings but how does the over run of the football affect the ad breaks ?

Presumably advertisers buy slots to be within specific programmes, so what happens when as tonight the football overruns.

Do they have stand-by advertisers in the event of extra time / penalties etc ?”

I think the advertisers buy ads incase there is extra time. It's a backup plan. They explain it more here: http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2008...tv.advertising

Quote:
“ITV will make close to £9m from TV advertising during the final, and more than £10m if the match goes to extra time and penalties, according to Havas-owned media agency MPG.”

ITV will be delighted tonight- they got their desired result- penalties.

I'm just so happy right now! COME ON UNITED!!
sn_22
21-05-2008
Massive night for ITV. I guess that'll be the highest peak of the year - maybe 15 or even 16 million, with the match averaging about 12.5 million. We'll see tomorrow, I suppose!
Fudd
21-05-2008
Originally Posted by rzt:
“I think the advertisers buy ads incase there is extra time. It's a backup plan. They explain it more here: http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2008...tv.advertising”

That's the £5m Ant and Dec fine paid in full with £5m to spare.

What's the betting ITV's share rating rises slightly tomorrow?
Agent F
21-05-2008
Originally Posted by sn_22:
“Massive night for ITV. I guess that'll be the highest peak of the year - maybe 15 or even 16 million, with the match averaging about 12.5 million. We'll see tomorrow, I suppose!”

We should see massive share for them as well. Over four hours of peaktime coverage there.
PJMillar
21-05-2008
Originally Posted by rzt:
“Seeing as people have done some fantasy ITV schedules, I thought I'd join in. This is what I think ITV should do from September 2009 when they have the rights to FA Cup, England and Wednesday Champions League Matches. It's not what I'd personally like to see, but I think this schedule could be strong for ITV and help close the gap or even over-take BBC1. I've got different schedules for different months of the year- I didn't do schedules for the summer months, as they are usually very affected due to Euro/World Cups.

September-December : http://img33.picoodle.com/img/img33/...cm_18bc0ff.jpg
* Firstly, the green coloured shows, are the core shows that will be shown every week of the year in that slot (bar special weeks such as BGT Finals, Euros/World Cups and I'm a Celeb).
* With football going to be shown on Wednesday, I think Corrie has to move. Also I don't think the 2nd Corrie ep has worked at all in terms of viewer response. So, I'd put those at 8.00 on Tuesdays and Thursdays. This would give a good lead-in for the next shows. Also, I think Emmerdale should have 30 min episodes from Sun-Friday (have 1 hour specials on Wed). I think it's important that ITV have a soap on Sunday, because at the moment their Sunday schedule is not good- it only did well during DOI, but DOI is only on 10 weeks of the year.
* Sun Hill General will be shown on Tue & Thu at 8.30. It is something that ITV has considered before, and I think it could do well especially as it's got a Corrie lead-in.
* The Bill will have a new timeslot of 9.00 on Tue and Thu. I think it would do well at 9.00, certainly better than most of ITV's current output in that slot. It could be getting somewhere in the region of 5m-6m viewers, which is solid.
* ITV are apparently moving the XF results to Sundays, so I think they should be shown at 7.30-8.00 (after the SCD results finish). Then show a good 120 minute drama.

January-February: http://img33.picoodle.com/img/img33/...bm_6bf2446.jpg
* Firstly, although Dancing on Ice was a brilliant hit on Sundays for ITV1, I don't think both shows should return on Sundays. This is because in the short-term ITV1 might do great, they'll be moving Emmerdale around and that will have consequences. They need to give Emmerdale a static slot of 7.00 on Sundays; no moving around. So, I think DOI performances should be on Saturday and results like XF on Sundays. Then show the usual dramas after that.
* On Monday, I think comedies should be shown between 9-10. I don't know why ITV insist on having comedies on Fridays, when they could do much better on Mondays. Especially Benidorm. I can see it getting 6m-7m and performing very strongly. Also, Moving Wallpaper didn't set the world alight before, but with a good slot I think it could get 4m-5m; better than ITV1's current slot average.
* Also, show Taggart on Friday at 9.00. Should appeal to the ABC1s.

March-May: http://img33.picoodle.com/img/img33/...ym_180f9e0.jpg
* Heartbeat must be given a full run at a fixed time. Look at what's happening with its ratings right now due to the increasing time changes. So give it a fixed 7.30 slot. Then show movies or dramas after that.
* Give the Fixer another chance in the same Monday 9.00 slot.
* Also show comedies in the 9-10 hour on Fridays.”

Advantages of your schedule:-

- You have the right content, which is really important.
- You are keeping familiar ITV shows that have performed well in the past, e.g. Heartbeat, and not putting them to waste.

My opinion:-

Dancing on Ice should be a Sunday show, in my opinion. It did so well and it could be a long term for ITV. It's great event programming and helps start the year for ITV in my opinion, without complicating things by spreading things over two days, which I don't think is appropriate for reality shows.

However, soaps are better spread across the week as they shape the rest of the schedule, usually the spine. It needs to be, being in a regular slot will ensure sustainable viewing figures, and we have seen a drop in this for Emmerdale and long time drama Heartbeat.

I reaffirm the fact that Wednesday will not be interupted so it's fine. The Champions League don't come into place until 2009/10. So if you look at my schedule again, you will see that there are no fundamental problems like that.

Next year, I feel Britain's Got Talent should go for what it did this year: 6 Saturday auditions, then live shows. While Hell's Kitchen and I'm a Celebrity has to take around two weeks of the schedule.

Monday to Friday needs to be intelligent, full of factual programming and drama.

Amendments to my schedule should be done - especially Friday's, which I have filled with classic episodes, perhaps a nice little advert for ITV3. But is this sustainable? Well, new drama can only take up 3 times a week in my opinion, and it needs to be different types of drama. Wednesday nights need to be regular factual programming, or perhaps Tuesday nights so it can correspond with Champions League football.
I'd like to see Monday, Wednesday, Friday and Sunday being a regular slot at 9pm for drama. Three of which will be new programming, and either the Friday or Sunday should either be a movie, a drama premiere or a classic drama. That should be sustainable for around a year. And then you've got Thursday's for drama, Saturday for entertainment.

Any other ideas?
PJMillar
21-05-2008
This is for Polonius:

News at Ten would have a 50 minute slot on a Monday because it could have a 15 minute review on the weekend which the programme doesn't cover. It gives the show a unique spice the BBC won't follow.
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