Certainly does not offend me and I agree with your post.

Afternoon all.

Another fun day in Chiggyworld, I see!

I resolutely refuse to go into the CAT anymore, because some posters in there dont like Ziggy at the best of times. God knows what they are saying today!

I usually go into the Z&C because I support both of them but this place can generally be calmer and more reflective.

Some of you are clearly more supportive of Ziggy at this point, which is completely fair enough, you are his supporters first and foremost.

I find myself between a rock and a hard place at the moment, of course!

I dont know where all this mention of the word cheating is coming from?
Where?
When?
With whom?

Has anyone found one single shred of evidence anywhere to back up this claim?
Have I missed something crucial here?

In the event that no hard evidence is actually forthcoming at the moment, i will move on.

All this revolving doors stuff with nightclubs in the past couple of nights is making me dizzy!

Perhaps Ziggy was a tad ill-advised to make his comment in the Star interview that he didnt like them very much, after doing 4 in one night...but it is not a crime!

I really have no idea what is going on between them at the moment and am deeply reluctant to point the finger at either of them until I get evidence to the contrary.
I honestly dont think either Ziggy or Chanelle is handling things that well at the moment, but I dont know why.
Are their agents manipulating them? Have they split up?
Is Chanelle being silly?
Is Ziggy being silly?
God knows!

I am going to try very, very hard not to apportion blame on either party and keep a totally open mind until I hear otherwise.
It isnt fair to damn Ziggy or Chanelle when we arent in possession of the full facts.

I know some folk will do so, but I am determined now to stay out of it or I will end up with no friends on here at all!


NB: Interestingly, one or two of you mentioned Emily early on...for what it's worth, I couldnt stand her from the moment I laid eyes on her (or Charley!) so I wouldnt have been a Zimily fan, no!

Hi Julia - I'm trying very hard at the moment not to apportion blame - although I'm still not entirely sure what the 'blame' is for, and neither is anyone else!!

There are FMs on the CAT who have Zac tried, found guilty and sentenced, and even they don't know what for!

Chan didn't look happy last night when she was papped - well tough luck, is my first reaction. There are thousands of reasons why she might look other than deliriously happy and they can't all involve Zac

If she's playing silly beggars with him in the same vein as she (or someone else with her approval) is on her Myspace, I wouldn't be surprised if he's told her a few home truths.

I'm not convinced that this is the conclusion to draw though - I'm tempted to feel that she's been capricious and he hasn't come running - but I have no specific evidence for this view, at all.

Hell, if others can speculate wildly with no evidence, why shouldn't I

I agree completely - I refuse to apportion blame for

a) something we don't even know has happened - ie have they split
b) if they have - until we here some concrete facts.

I agree that Chan's MySpace saga is starting to wear very thin and could end up biting her in the b*m, Ziggy saying he doesn't do clubbing and then going out to four in 1 night seems strange - however I'm happy to give them both the benefit of doubt, until we hear something from them.

I'm not going to start down the speculation road though - I've been there and it just drives you nuts eventually - so I'm going into lurker mode until we receive some solid facts from either party and solid facts does not include changes of song/mood/message type on myspace or photos of people sharing cabs together!

I think that when Zac was talking about clubbing he meant that he doesn't want to do it all the time! I think last night there were several events on in the same evening, and he had mates at all of them, so he went to them all!

He's been so busy with PAs lately that he probably has a lot of people to catch up with - last night was a good opportunity to do just that

I don't think we can be absolutely certain that Chanelle wasn't there either - we only learned a while ago that she was in fact at two of the venues, rather than one as had previously been thought

It wouldn't surprise me at all if they had a row of some kind either at the beginning of the evening, or somewhere along the way, and Chanelle went home, however.

Photo of Ziggy on sky showbiz...taken after getting his hair cut - its no. 16 i think

http://showbiz.sky.com/showbiz/pictu...290601,00.html

Well I'm obviously stuck in the past, because I love his highlights....wish he would grow his hair again though...preferred the bedhead look myself!

I suppose the thing thats annoying me is we all assume they have split They could just have had had an arguement if anything.

I am not gonna blame anyone when the time comes.And tbh i dont think that time has came.Maybe i a just naive then.But i refuse to say they have split because of chanelles myspace.

I dont think either of them would carry on the farce if they had split up.

I just hope zac is fine tbh.As we know now who everyone will blame.

Well not everyone.....none of you loyal Zac fans will blame him, will you?
Me...I'm getting splinters in my bum sitting on this fence, I can tell you!

The only way i would blame ziggy is if there is clear cut evidence of him cheating.

I certainly wont blame him and i wont blame chanelle (although i have to say she is not my favourite person at the moment.)

Hi all. just in from work. How is it all going? I can see from reading the last fews pages that things are not good. Where the hell has the split row come from? It is baffling me. Damn myspace. So what have I missed?

Baffling you...its baffling me lol. I saw pics of them last night they looked fine to me tbh.But then agian maybe i am naive.But i blame chanelles myspace.And if she was truly single ..she better change her relationship status then.I dont think they have split up.And i dont think ziggy has cheated and if chanelle believed that....then shes just as bad as the people who write the rubbish stories.

You summed it up very well

Re the myspace thing. I have just received a message on mine, and the time said 15.09, when infact it was 14.09. That could be a clue as to when she was on line. Perhaps the myspace times dont change when we change our clocks. so if she was on at a certain time online, take an hour away from that and it may be totally conclusive that it wasnt her cos maybe she was still out clubbing. Just an idea. What does everyone think?

Regardless of the hour added or taken away, I can't see how she could possibly have been on her Myspace last night It's not always easy to get an exact time for the photos, because either there's no time shown, ot it's the time posted rather than taken

that is what I think too Jojo. I really dont believe that she can possibly have changed hers last night. Why the hell would someone else do it and allow the two horrible posts about zigs to be accepted, change the song and change the mood. Baffling me. TBH to get into them all you need is an email address and password. She could have given that out to personal people of hers. why do it to cause all this trouble though. Really not a good thing to do.

Can someone give me a list of all the places Zac and Chan went to last night, that they were papped at so I can trawl the photo sites,

thanks

I've no idea of what is happening re: Ziggy/Chanelle but what I am certain of is that Chanelle (or her team) are playing silly games. All this stuff with the engagement ring when we know they are not engaged. Mood changes / letting negative stuff appear seems to me to be geared totally to sending out the message that 'the agent' wants. They will have twigged that it is being followed consistently by people on here so they are just 'playing' with fm's. Media will pick up on it. The on/off & are they/aren't they sells DS & mags & that is what this is all about. The fact that it is taking away credibility from them as people & in the relationship is the sad thing. No relationship can stand this sort of stuff & Ziggy is not going to let himself become a laughing stock. As I said earlier this week agents & their manipulation are going to be the downfall of this relationship.

MB

they were in...

paper, crystal, maddox and punk!!!!

it sounds weird!!!

One question: how come no one on any of the threads have ever asked hope Chanelle is keeping Ziggy happy - it always appears to be the other way around. Ziggy has much a right to be kept happy as she has imo.

I agree May. This involement and manipulation of the agents and press is just way too intrusive for them at the moment. I posted a few days ago that for them to survive which if it makes them happy that is what we want, they seriously need to take a step back from the limelight, take some time for themselves and get back to basics. It is never going to happen all the time they are still hot media property and the agents wanting it to remain like that. I feel very sorry for them. Zig was so adamant when in the house that it was a private matter and no one elses business and now look how it is being portrayed. He cant even be seen with another girl without him being a cheat. Why does chans myspace have to always be about Zig? It really doesnt make sense to me. It is just getting so silly all this speculation. I would seriously rather not see zigs from one week to the next if I felt as though it was making things easier for him.

Here you go:

1. Paper nightclub (Chanelle was also there) http://photo.wenn.com/index.php?ref=...007&version=uk

2. Alex Curran perfume launch at Crystal night club (Sam, Amanda, Brian and Liam were also there) http://photo.wenn.com/index.php?ref=...0&hs=&start=16

3. Maddox Club at 3.30 http://photo.wenn.com/index.php?ref=...107&version=uk

4. Punk night club http://photo.wenn.com/index.php?ref=...107&version=uk

now that is true boobee. why is it always one sided. They are a couple and should be keeping each other happy equally. Not one having to do more work than the other. Everything should be done equally.

Agree - her myspace has a lot to answer and would question was it done deliberate either to provoke and hurt Ziggy.

I agree...for me if it ends I dont want to look to apportion blame to anyone, unless as you say their has been evidence of something like either of them cheating (thats the last time I mention that word!!!aggh!)
If it ends, it ends, i will be sad for them both, I will obviously be curious why (cant help that, am nosey!!!) but I would hope that I can continue to like and support them both....I can understand though that some will only support one etc cos that where they started from....

Anyway, as far as we know they are still together so its all irrelevant.......

Also I have to say a lot of posters, certainly on ZAC do comment on wishing Ziggy is ok, ziggy is happy etc....and that he is happy regardless of what happens with chanelle! I know I do!