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#76 |
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I am not anti Rachel, but she did not deserve 4 10's. It was 4 9's worth.
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I think Rachel's dancing is understated which some people don't like (not a criticism of them just horses for courses). She doesn't really have a wow factor to her dancing - one of the things I like, but some will find it dull.
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She just looks like the media all-rounder pro performer that she is on the dancefloor. SCD is no stretch for her...she's technically good..but there's no magical wow factor.
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for me - I just find her really dull. Cherie was also very dull. Dancing above average, both over rated and over marked, and totally totally dull.
Her over-the-top reaction at being in the bottom 2 the week that Heather went annoyed me a lot - all of them have to expect to end up in the bottom 2 no matter where they are on the leader board, to be that stunned by it smacks of arrogance. It was all a bit Tanya from Muriel's Wedding "I'm Beautiful". |
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Never liked to snooty b#tch since she left SClub to go solo, failed at that then announced she was going to be an actress instead and never got anywhere, however her dancing is ok but not enough to win.
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Maybe it is because she seems so desperate to win. And the crying after being in the bottom 2 didn't help.
I would cry too if I produced a fine performance and no one voted for it because the votes were all going to people who couldn't dance to annoy the judges. |
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#82 |
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I am not anti Rachel, but she did not deserve 4 10's. It was 4 9's worth.
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No way did she deserve four tens! She stumbled and missed several steps- had anyone else done that they would have penalised. Its a travesty that she received a perfect score.
For me she is cold and she doesn't sell the dance at all. |
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I think it was the 4 10's thing.
I like Rachel, the performance was good, but was it a 40? Hmm, I think not. |
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Well I have news for the judges and they may not like it- Rachell is the lowest on the public vote- that is why they put her out of harms way
However it'll become harder and harder to protect her from next week It won't be harder to save her because the judges will just throw out anyone in the dance off with her. Thats the advantage of being the best dancer there or near to it any week. The new rules were designed to stop the voters trashing the show by going on any more irrational vendettas against the good female competitors and if they were designed properly should be able to contain the problem. |
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#86 |
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I'm not anti-Rachel.
She's my favourite SCD contestant! |
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I think it was the 4 10's thing.
I like Rachel, the performance was good, but was it a 40? Hmm, I think not. Given there are threads about on how both Tom and Austin are overmarked its pretty clear that the order was defensible on Saturday and given the mark below hers and the problems with that dance I can't see much justification for saying she should have got got the same 9s. |
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I'm not anti-Rachel, but I really don't like Vincent, therefore, I just don't enjoy this couple.
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You are certainly not one of those 'female' viewers I alluded to in my post, to be sure.
But there ARE a lot of irrational ones out there. Missed heel leads? What the h*ll were they talking about? Rachel's footwork looked fantastic. Albeit I am not a dancer, but I certainly saw the heel leads (when the camera actually showed her feet that is). I do think she doesn't deserve perfect 40. BUT, foxtrot is a very, very boring dance. It's basically dancing in a straight vertical line, and to make foxtrot entertaining is very, very difficult. Sometimes, people go for entertainment value and they produce less perfect posture and therefore get lower marks. Vincent knew they can't afford to do that. But rather they chose to please the judges and worked hard to perfect the foxtrot. I thought Rachel was engaging with Vincent. I don't see why she was so treated in this forum?! ![]() She deserves to be the top of the leaderboard as she was clearly the best dancer of the night. Maybe not a perfect 40, but she's the top girl tonight. The reason why Rachel gets 40 is that first Arlene and then Craig decide to give her the extra mark. Thats relative to what they had just given 9s for, what she did, what the choreography worked in the studio, what was possible with the dance and what they couldn't find wrong to deduct for. All it means is that she met their threshold for a 10 - not that its perfect. If they were allowed to give decimal points she might have ended up with a more precise score. The assumption in there is that Craig should not have given her a 9. Thats odd though because its Craig who usually carries the can for deducting marks when he sees errors and marking lower. He clearly saw nothing noteworthy to take a mark off for. Its a shame really that he gets attacked for using the scale properly and consistently - his 9 is better than his 8 and his 10 is better still - just as someone waddling around is so far from his 8 that he gives it a 1 or a 3. |
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What I don't understand is why caring so much about competition is viewed as a sin.I would much rather see someone who really wants to do well, and strives to be the best they can than someone who doesn't really worry whether they do well or not. From what I gather, the celebs are paid the same amount whether they stay in til the end or go early from the competition, I could be wrong about that, but I don't think I am. I do like Rachel, nevertheless I think her high mark last night was unjustified. Iloved her foxtrot, but felt that 9s across the board would have been a fair mark, however, I think the whole JS saga may have been the reason for the erratic marking last night. She certainly, IMHO, delivered the best dance of the evening.
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I like Rachel and Vincent, so I'm definitely not anti. I don't know whether her dance last night was worth 4 tens. When they finished I certainly didn't expect them to get 4 tens, and I was rather surprised (however, I'm not a dancer and I have no technical knowledge). I think overall on the leaderboard, they were in the right position. I think the judges have painted themselves into a corner by starting everyone off with a 8/9, maybe they had nowhere else to go. However, I fear this might have done Rachel more harm than good. If people now perceive her to be overmarked, they are less likely to vote for her when it counts (e.g. in the final).
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I didn't expect them to get 40 but I watched it back a couple of times and I must say it was faultless, classy and IMO made all the other performances seem a little bit, well desperate and trying to impress. I was worried because they were doing the only slow dance of the night and everyone else was doing a wow dance but once again Vincent's choreography was spot on for the dance and of course Rachel.
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thw way she is dancing at the moment could easily win now just out of this world last night
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Yes but there is no mark of 39.5 and no way to get there. There is not even an agreed mark of 40 but 4 marks of 10 . That means you can't collectively decide to give Rachel 38 or 39 or 39.5. You either give 9 or 10 which means on SCD whether you get 38 or 39 or 40 depends on individual calls by two people. The only reason why people don't often get 40 is that Arlene and Craig don't mark from just 7- 10 and use 10 a lot like Bruno and Len .
The reason why Rachel gets 40 is that first Arlene and then Craig decide to give her the extra mark. Thats relative to what they had just given 9s for, what she did, what the choreography worked in the studio, what was possible with the dance and what they couldn't find wrong to deduct for. All it means is that she met their threshold for a 10 - not that its perfect. If they were allowed to give decimal points she might have ended up with a more precise score. The assumption in there is that Craig should not have given her a 9. Thats odd though because its Craig who usually carries the can for deducting marks when he sees errors and marking lower. He clearly saw nothing noteworthy to take a mark off for. Its a shame really that he gets attacked for using the scale properly and consistently - his 9 is better than his 8 and his 10 is better still - just as someone waddling around is so far from his 8 that he gives it a 1 or a 3. |
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A she's boring
B some of us can't abide Vinthenth C I'm not ANTI anybody - I just wouldn't waste my money on a vote D if I liked anybody that strongly it would be Christine E there are some reports out there that Rachel is a bit precious F I enjoy good dancing but I think it's more important in life to be a pleasant person |
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Beats me.
I dont dislike anyone on the show, in fact I like nearly all of them. The worst I have to say personally of anyone, is that I think Gary Rhodes had the wrong attitude and expectations. |
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I thought their foxtro last night was technically good and very poised but lacked flair, somehow. I do think the judges are a bit free with both very high and very low marks this year...I do wonder sometimes if they are trying hard to make their scores more influential on the overall result after the votes by marking differently than they would if the vote were not there. Perhaps the system needs an overhaul.
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I was never anti-Rachel but up to last week I was neutral on her (thought she lacked 'something'). Until last week...I thought her Rumba was the best ever on Strictly and she totally deserved to be top of last night's leaderboard (don't know enough about dancing to comment on the four 10s.
Unfortunately for her though, there does appear to be a lot of anti-Rachel sentiment around so I don't think she has any chance of winning. |
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Yes but there is no mark of 39.5 and no way to get there. There is not even an agreed mark of 40 but 4 marks of 10 . That means you can't collectively decide to give Rachel 38 or 39 or 39.5. You either give 9 or 10 which means on SCD whether you get 38 or 39 or 40 depends on individual calls by two people. The only reason why people don't often get 40 is that Arlene and Craig don't mark from just 7- 10 and use 10 a lot like Bruno and Len .
The reason why Rachel gets 40 is that first Arlene and then Craig decide to give her the extra mark. Thats relative to what they had just given 9s for, what she did, what the choreography worked in the studio, what was possible with the dance and what they couldn't find wrong to deduct for. All it means is that she met their threshold for a 10 - not that its perfect. If they were allowed to give decimal points she might have ended up with a more precise score. The assumption in there is that Craig should not have given her a 9. Thats odd though because its Craig who usually carries the can for deducting marks when he sees errors and marking lower. He clearly saw nothing noteworthy to take a mark off for. Its a shame really that he gets attacked for using the scale properly and consistently - his 9 is better than his 8 and his 10 is better still - just as someone waddling around is so far from his 8 that he gives it a 1 or a 3.
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I like Rachel but I think she's been overmarked by the judges for the past two weeks because they don't want to see a situation where she's in the dance-off again.
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