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Old 22-10-2003, 18:50
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So where are all the anti-Alex brigade now?

They're as effective as Ian Duncan Smith.

Tell them Alex is doing quite well, and is happy with life,...they're like flies round shit, wanting to get a dig in.

Hand them something on a plate, ..and they just don't have anything to say.
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Old 22-10-2003, 18:52
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Originally posted by Alrightmate
But he said on Loose Women that he went into BB to raise his profile,.....not once he had left the BB3 house.
That's fair enough. I did not see that interview.
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Old 22-10-2003, 18:54
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Alrightmate, I did do a transcript on here for RG of what Alex said on 'Loose Women', but can't seem to find that thread now, but no matter I do have that on tape, so I will have another look at that tape later, as I can't remember everything that Alex said on LW now.
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Old 22-10-2003, 19:10
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Does it make any Alex fans feel differently about Alex?

I don't necessarily mean in terms of suddenly disliking him, or anything like that.
I mean does it make you look at things differently?

Does it make you think that Alex was perhaps not exactly how you imagined he was?
If you excuse him for maybe telling porkies,..do you forgive others who were accused of being wannabes on the sly?

Does it make you feel that maybe you may have judged other housemates harshly who were also judged to have been raising their own profile?
(Kate Lawler perhaps,...or any of the others)

If Alex slipped through the net, and fooled so many people, how many bad judgements have also been made?

If you knew he was only in there to raise his profile at the very start of BB3, do you think you may well have seen him in a very different light throughout BB3?

Do we just say "fair play to him,..it is only a game show"?
Because if people say that about other housemates, we always say that's such a weak answer and isn't good enough.

It does seem to me, that judging housemates on BB is so difficult. Will we ever get better at it?....I'd like to think so.
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Old 22-10-2003, 19:18
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Originally posted by Susann
Alrightmate, I did do a transcript on here for RG of what Alex said on 'Loose Women', but can't seem to find that thread now, but no matter I do have that on tape, so I will have another look at that tape later, as I can't remember everything that Alex said on LW now.
He definitely said it, I wouldn't lie to you about that..so you would be more convincing other people who may have doubts.

Was that the only Loose Women episode he was on recently?
Although I know he said it,...it's possible I may have got the wrong episode in mind.
I'm pretty sure it was the one with Federico on as well though.

If you wrote a transcript of it,...wouldn't his admission have stood out to you as you were typing it out?
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Old 22-10-2003, 19:28
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There's no way I can reply to your post in detail without sounding snotty and I don't particularly want to do that and I can't be bothered either.

So I'll just say no in answer to all the rather slanted questions you've raised.

I think Alex is absolutely wonderful.

Perhaps I should just give a small example of why I think so. I watched a BB3 tape over the weekend. At one stage Alex is watching Betty pecking away at some leaves in the garden. Without saying anything to the others he gets up and goes over to remove all the leaves that are poisonous so that she won't eat them. He doesn't say that's what he's doing or why he's doing it at any stage and Jade - and probably the others too - seems to think that he's just got keen on gardening! He did it out of kindness and because he was concerned that Betty might harm herself while she was in their care.

He's a real sweety in my opinion an absolute darling. :sleep:
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Old 22-10-2003, 19:32
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Originally posted by Alrightmate
He definitely said it, I wouldn't lie to you about that..so you would be more convincing other people who may have doubts.

Was that the only Loose Women episode he was on recently?
Although I know he said it,...it's possible I may have got the wrong episode in mind.
I'm pretty sure it was the one with Federico on as well though.

If you wrote a transcript of it,...wouldn't his admission have stood out to you as you were typing it out?

I know you wouldn't lie Alrightmate, you have no reason to, but it's just me verifying it for my self, plus it's another good excuse to watch Alex again.

I usually have a pretty good memory on BB related stuff, I know I should remember that piece but I don't. My only excuse is I was concentrating more on the issue of wheather Alex had said he had any work or not in answer to one of RG's posts and Swings too I think it was. So I hurriedly typed a rough transcript up for them, which was very hard to do with all Helen's squealing going on.
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Old 22-10-2003, 19:38
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Originally posted by Alrightmate
So where are all the anti-Alex brigade now?

They're as effective as Ian Duncan Smith.

Tell them Alex is doing quite well, and is happy with life,...they're like flies round shit, wanting to get a dig in.

Hand them something on a plate, ..and they just don't have anything to say.
Yeah! where are ya now you anti-Alex brigade.

Your forum needs you.
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Old 22-10-2003, 19:41
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Originally posted by darling
There's no way I can reply to your post in detail without sounding snotty and I don't particularly want to do that and I can't be bothered either.

So I'll just say no in answer to all the rather slanted questions you've raised.

I think Alex is absolutely wonderful.

Perhaps I should just give a small example of why I think so. I watched a BB3 tape over the weekend. At one stage Alex is watching Betty pecking away at some leaves in the garden. Without saying anything to the others he gets up and goes over to remove all the leaves that are poisonous so that she won't eat them. He doesn't say that's what he's doing or why he's doing it at any stage and Jade - and probably the others too - seems to think that he's just got keen on gardening! He did it out of kindness and because he was concerned that Betty might harm herself while she was in their care. He's a real sweety in my opinion an absolute darling. :sleep:
Oh, that's great, when I supported Alex throughout the duration of BB3, everything's fine.
But as soon as I ask a few very fair questions to Alex's fans, I get a pretty frosty reply.

Why on earth do feel that you would have to give me a snotty reply if you answered my questions?
And why would you reply saying that you can't be bothered to reply?
What did I say to deserve that?

The last paragraph has absolutely nothing to do with my questions.
You provide an example that you feel illustrates he's a kind person.
I never said he wasn't.

Anybody who is neutral, can see that my questions aren't in the least way slanted.
I asked them because I wanted to read other people's thoughts, nothing more than that. I haven't got some hidden agenda or any point to prove.

I don't see DS as a fansite. Sometimes I just like to ask questions without going on about who I love or hate.
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Old 22-10-2003, 19:46
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Originally posted by Susann
I know you wouldn't lie Alrightmate, you have no reason to, but it's just me verifying it for my self, plus it's another good excuse to watch Alex again.

I usually have a pretty good memory on BB related stuff, I know I should remember that piece but I don't. My only excuse is I was concentrating more on the issue of wheather Alex had said he had any work or not in answer to one of RG's posts and Swings too I think it was. So I hurriedly typed a rough transcript up for them, which was very hard to do with all Helen's squealing going on.
I can remember him saying that work was dying down a bit. I can remember him saying that. But I can't remember much more than that.
I think he said he had a few things now and then, and I don't think he said he was unemployed,....don't quote me on that though.
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Old 22-10-2003, 19:47
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Let's just agree to differ.
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Old 22-10-2003, 19:51
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Old 22-10-2003, 20:58
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Originally posted by Alrightmate
Does it make any Alex fans feel differently about Alex?

I don't necessarily mean in terms of suddenly disliking him, or anything like that.
I mean does it make you look at things differently?

Does it make you think that Alex was perhaps not exactly how you imagined he was?
If you excuse him for maybe telling porkies,..do you forgive others who were accused of being wannabes on the sly?

Does it make you feel that maybe you may have judged other housemates harshly who were also judged to have been raising their own profile?
(Kate Lawler perhaps,...or any of the others)

If Alex slipped through the net, and fooled so many people, how many bad judgements have also been made?

If you knew he was only in there to raise his profile at the very start of BB3, do you think you may well have seen him in a very different light throughout BB3?

Do we just say "fair play to him,..it is only a game show"?
Because if people say that about other housemates, we always say that's such a weak answer and isn't good enough.

It does seem to me, that judging housemates on BB is so difficult. Will we ever get better at it?....I'd like to think so.


I'm sure a huge life changing decision like taking part in BB, would be made for a variety of reasons..giving your profile a bit of a boost being just one of them.
Alex has been seen with a girl who was in the Australian version of BB, maybe her experience was part of the equation.

The fact is, I don't think it matter's a bit why he chose to enter..I'm just glad he did.

I think the critisism of other HM's, for me, is that they changed their personalities so much in order to raise their profile's that they spent most of their time in the house seeming almost to play a part..to be what they thought the viewers might want them to be..where as Alex, regardless of his reasons for taking part was always 100% himself..
He embraced the experience completely and allowed us to share it with him..the bad as well as the good.

I dont believe Alex tried to fool anybody, he has always been painfully honest with regards to the highs and lows of his career, and, as a person who supported, and hopes to continue to support him, I still feel that my judgement was, and is, sound

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Old 22-10-2003, 22:47
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Originally posted by Susann
I usually have a pretty good memory on BB related stuff, I know I should remember that piece but I don't. My only excuse is I was concentrating more on the issue of wheather Alex had said he had any work or not in answer to one of RG's posts and Swings too I think it was. So I hurriedly typed a rough transcript up for them, which was very hard to do with all Helen's squealing going on.

Fear not Susann i've found it for you. I hope nobody minds if i don't link to the thread - it degenerated somwhat and I don't want to drag that back up. But here's Susann's transcript -:

I am going to do a small piece of the transcript, just the relevant section, it was hard to piece together, so it's the best I can do and hopefully almost word for word where appropriate. I just didn't realise just how annoying Helen Adam's and Kerry McFadden could be, whilst I was trying to make sense of what Alex was saying, they were talking over him a lot of the time. And WHY does KM have to keep touching Alex all the time, the annoying woman.

Loose women are Kaye Adams, Kerry McFadden, Helen Adams and Carole McGriffen.

KA ) So, Alex, do you live on your own just now?

A) No, I'm sharing, but I've got to move out soon, because my flatmate's getting a proper job. So I might be able to go back home I think.

KA) Sharing with your Mum and Dad.

KM) What about living on your own, getting your own place?

A) I've bought a place for myself and my parents in Germany. That's where all my money went,I bought a little flat in Germany.

HA) Go over there to live then. (said in jest)

A) Well, (laughing) it's a long way to commute if I have to come back though say, isn't it.

HA) Yeah, I suppose so. ( you have to remember this is the lady that likes blinking she do. )

KA) Have you ever lived with anyone, as in a girlfriend live with someone?

A) No, I haven't.

KA) For any reason! or it just hasn't happened?

A) No, Just that my grilfriends never had their own place.

KA) Are you in fact, doing your proper job now then?

A) Maybe, I mean, it's been a year now since I've been out the house, and you know, things do get quieter after a while, and I'de like to bow out gracefully. If it means going back to work, it's fine, because I've always worked abroad, it's something I can do and no-one knows me there, so I can go back there and start where I finished.

CM) Did you make a load of money out of BB?

A) Yeah, I did alright, I mean it's nice to get a house or a flat anyway.

(Whole irrelevant chunk cut out here, mainly Helen screeching.)

About BB:

KA) Yeah, but you still get asked to do things here, on the back of the fact you were in BB.

A) Yeah but, some things you turn down. I'm not always keen on doing personal appearances, you just feel a bit of a twit when you're there and everyone just.....

Alex also says he hasn't and won't do any nightclub appearances.

That's about it really.
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I don't think Alex will have any trouble jobwise and I am of the opinion he may have been playing it down a little anyway.

Forgive any spelling or grammar mistakes, in transcript.



So no mention of alex's motivation for going on the show, but to be fair susann does say it is a partial transcript

I have seen both of Alex's appearances on Shrieking Women but I can't honestly remember him saying that he went on BB to raise his profile

If I had it is the kind of thing I might have pointed out at some length

But obviously I don't have tapes...................
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Old 23-10-2003, 00:04
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Originally posted by Alrightmate
Yes, I remember some of that.
Wasn't it his mum though?
Or were you right, and it was both of them?
It was both of them, his dad and mum appeared together that morning. As i mention that was the exact quote they said when asked why he did it - "For the exposure."

its true
peeps can check ya tapes
or write to RISE
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Old 23-10-2003, 00:19
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Thank you Swing.

I don't remember Alex saying anything about raising his profile, I know he has been asked about it (which is maybe where the confusion occurs) but as far as I remember he has always denied it.
I have been looking through tapes but the one I couldn't find was the Alex / Fed Loose Women. So thank you.

In the house:
Pool: Alex spoke about his friend in Oz who had been in BB - "I wrote off.......it was a joke.......I was in Germany....."

Speech:
" I came in to this whole situation very gung-ho, thinking it would be something else; it wasn't.
Half way through whilst I was in here I was thinking, I've always been very happy with myself and what I've done.........not being able to be that face in the crowd like I used to be........I was with some friends, at their house and we were all a bit funny, the telephone number came up and......
I sent off the application form for a bit of a joke.....I didn't expect that I'd actually be in here but obviously the more you go and suddenly it was like - I'm gonna get somewhere and....
I never did it at all so I could work more here, things from like my work through modelling - it wouldn't work at all cos in my business no-one will use me for an advert cos it would be very cheesey like, for eg., I want to do something for Paul Smith over here and they wouldn't use me cos everyone would think that 'Oh look, they're using that BB guy to gain...
so I always knew that was the fact - I did this and I didn't think I'd actually get in and it was just the more I did it......"

From RI:SE:
(Edith) : Your main reason for going in to the house was to raise your profile........
Alex: "I saw that last night but I don't think it was that - I mean - it could have been my Mum sometimes getting muddled up with words but.....it wasn't for that reason."

As for Loose women, I can't quote that right now but I know Alex was questioned on this, he denied the motive (see speech, he thought the opposite and that he would have to go abroad) but when asked if he had done OK financially out of it he said well yes, I have.
As I said see Swing's transcript for more, can't find mine.
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Old 23-10-2003, 00:42
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Originally posted by Alrightmate
Does it make any Alex fans feel differently about Alex?

I don't necessarily mean in terms of suddenly disliking him, or anything like that.
I mean does it make you look at things differently?

Does it make you think that Alex was perhaps not exactly how you imagined he was?
If you excuse him for maybe telling porkies,..do you forgive others who were accused of being wannabes on the sly?

Does it make you feel that maybe you may have judged other housemates harshly who were also judged to have been raising their own profile?
(Kate Lawler perhaps,...or any of the others)

If Alex slipped through the net, and fooled so many people, how many bad judgements have also been made?

If you knew he was only in there to raise his profile at the very start of BB3, do you think you may well have seen him in a very different light throughout BB3?

Do we just say "fair play to him,..it is only a game show"?
Because if people say that about other housemates, we always say that's such a weak answer and isn't good enough.

It does seem to me, that judging housemates on BB is so difficult. Will we ever get better at it?....I'd like to think so.
I think your questions are reasonable and I'll do my best to answer you as straightforwardly as I can, speaking from an individual Alex fan's point of view, is that OK?

Firstly, I don't think there was any mix up over what Alex had or had not said for his main reason for going onto BB. You are quite right his parents were on Rise and they did mention one of his reasons was to hopefully raise his profile. This however was not his only reason, the main one being his friend had been on the Australian version and had urged him to go for it too because she had enjoyed the experience so much, which is what he was trying to explain when he said his mum sometimes gets things muddled, don't forget English is not her first language.

During his time in the house he talked often and at length that before accepting (once he had been chosen) he had weighed up carefully the pros and cons to the best of his ability, one of the pros being it could raise his profile and perhaps open new doors for him, one of the cons being it would in his opinion destroy his modelling career in this country. He also stated he had decided if he was received badly and had to he could always work abroad, as he had already been doing for the past few years. So once again I see no conflict here either.

In this I don't consider he was telling porkies, his biggest fear for the future seemed to be after Adele was evicted and he had heard the reception she had got, then hearing Tim get booed aswell he was convinced he would be 'hated' too on his exit, you only have to listen to his final dinner speech to see how upset he was.

I am only guessing but I expect you have not had many replies to this post because of the questions you asked. As an Alex fan I feel more than any other BB contestant, Alex has always had the decency to be honest with us. He did say on Loose Women that work was drying up, he is unsure of his future. Personally I would rather hear that then some false crap about how everything in the garden is rosey all the time and see some fake grinning idiot trying to insult my intelligence! I think you made the distinction yourself "others who were accused of being wannabes on the sly?" I still do not see anything he said or did on this as being "on the sly" .

So no it does not affect the way I view other BB contestants, some have shown themselves to be more honest and open than others, some have shown themselves to be completely different since leaving the house (Miss Lawler falls into this category to me) some I like more than before some less.

Now the final gushy bit, I personally think Alex is a kind, sensitive and acutely honest man, sometimes far too honest for his own good.
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Old 23-10-2003, 01:02
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Alex Parents did appear on RI:SE the morning of the Tim/Alex eviction.... and shortly after his big bust up with Jade..... at some point Hannelore did mention that he 'hoped' it might raise his profile......

When he was talking to Tim at some length about how he got into the business he was frank and open about his dropping by Select but it was entirely sound blanked out.... (he wasn't to know that)...

Tim asked him if he could make better cash in Germany and Asia and Alex said very much so.... and that it would be helped by anything he could add to his 'Clipping file'.... especially the fact that he appeared on TV would virtually guaranteed you good jobs....

Tim asked what he didn't settle in Japan for 5 years and make a career out there....... but I got the impression that although he enjoys travel, he'd rather work in the UK, at least for a while (although it.... wasn't likely to happen for him as a model) ... He mentioned that his friends would only be spending a couple of months at a time out there.... the implication being that he would eventually feel lonely and homesick...

He admitted that he was not so popular with the UK Agents.... he was a bit peeved that they didn't seem prepared to do more with the raw material he was offering.... despite being being open to suggestions.....

I think he mentioned a number of reasons whilst he was in the house and subsequently.... in no particular order...

1. Work had dried up somewhat...
2. He'd had an argy bargy with his Agency
3. He was bored
4. When the Ad came on TV he was with some mates and the worse for drink... etc. Alex admitted it started as a joke and dare... I think his mate Tim also applied who seemed to know more about BB than Alex.... and was keen to get in....
5. He though it would be an interesting experience to meet 11 different people..... he said he thought he would be one of the youngest...
6. He wanted to add to his clipping file.... although he recognised that there could be lot of sh*t also being written in the tabloids...
7. He expected to have some fun .....
8. As I 've said in the past his speech covered a number of these points...

When he came out I think he was amazed by just how big the whole thing was and was maybe a bit sceptical by how long it was likely to last....

I think he would have liked to concentrate on TV.... but for the most part I don't think his true talents were exploited and a suitable vehicle for him has not been forthcoming.....

I recall a comment by swing many many months ago that struck a cord with me about Alex...

Swing was making the point that Alex was at his best when being himself....

I very much agree with this.... He strengths are not particularly in presenting, quizzing or interviewing others.... or reading from a script or autocue.... although any screen-time experience is useful.....

My feelings about Alex's integrity, unique, unusual characteristics and abilities, have not diminshed with time.... I would love to see him far more regularly on TV and on Radio........ in suitable vehicles...

I think he is a nice guy with a special aura and would love to see him succeed in life and be happy in his career wherever that may lead him.....


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Old 23-10-2003, 01:09
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Very, very well said Elderflower.

ps. also Pedantic, having read yours now too.
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Old 23-10-2003, 02:37
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Originally posted by Elderflower
sometimes far too honest for his own good.
Noooooo
dont say that

honesty is ALWAYS the best policy
and does ya (or in this case, him) the most good in the end

aint it
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Old 23-10-2003, 02:55
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Originally posted by Marky de Salade
Noooooo
dont say that

honesty is ALWAYS the best policy
and does ya (or in this case, him) the most good in the end

aint it
Too true, one of his best qualities
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Old 23-10-2003, 10:16
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While we're being honest anon, might just point out that the transcript in my post is Susann's not mine

Credit where credit's due
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Old 23-10-2003, 11:15
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Very, very well said Elderflower.

ps. also Pedantic, having read yours now too.
I agree, you both far more eloquently expressed what I was trying to say.

I would just like to add, that to me, Alex's honesty is one of his finest points, as it proves that his own personal integrity is absolutly paramount. He refuses lower his standards for any price.

It's a quality very rarely found in the world of "celebrity", or indeed anywhere else, and one that sets him, in my mind, head and shoulders above the rest
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Old 23-10-2003, 11:20
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Originally posted by rosemary
I agree, you both far more eloquently expressed what I was trying to say.

I would just like to add, that to me, Alex's honesty is one of his finest points, as it proves that his own personal integrity is absolutly paramount. He refuses lower his standards for any price.

It's a quality very rarely found in the world of "celebrity", or indeed anywhere else, and one that sets him, in my mind, head and shoulders above the rest
That's right rosemary ! This is why Alex is still so well loved by his fans.
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Old 23-10-2003, 11:57
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