I wouldn't know a heel lead or heal turn if it bit me on the bollocks, but Craig mentioning them indicates to me that Rachel's footwork was O.K. Her dress length and the camera angle could have obscured our view of her steps.

The bloke she danced with could have been Alex, her fiance, as I think he was sitting just behind John Barrowman and Mark on that side.

Does anyone else think her gum chewing brothers looked as if they were out on a day-release pass from prison?

Quite. The word bullying is being used a bit too much on this forum. Bullying is serious what goes on in SCD is not.

Not quite sure how you work that out....this forum isn't representitive of the public I suspect...in fact I'd guess that the only pros that the average punter in the street could actually name are Anton and Brendan - and that's cos their profile has been raised by going on to other things...to most people Matt would be 'thingy,you know, the blond one who danced with Aleesha' . And they tend to be watching the celeb or the overall effect of the dance and couldn't really tell one pro dancer's skills and strength from another to say they love the way pro x dances
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It was the way in which the OP said it. It was almost like they were mocking Christine for making a mistake.

it's funny how she's so cute and small and pretty and her brothers could pass for the mitchells.

Rachel didn't NEED maximum to 'save' her either... 37 would have done it, but the judges obviously saw something in it that deserved a 10. Was it a 40 dance in my eyes? No. Does Rachel deserve the slating for that? No... She's not the one dolling out the points.

I still say the 40 was so the focus on message boards and the public would be taken away from JS. It's been John who? on here today with all the Rachel back and foreing.

They needed a big story and that was it!

people dont like you slating there favourite on here . I always thought this forum was for having a debate but apparently if your not all nice and fluffly you're a bully.

Yes, Rachel's brothers were even more terrifying than Matt di Angelo's. It was as if the Mitchell brothers were undertakers.

I have to say I didn't really like it either...it looked too choreographed....Flavia's dancing feels too stylised and ballroomy when she's doing AT of late. But it was impressive.

Thanks for the clip !!!

(Here's my fav milonga dancers.... and an improvised performance of course .... Pepito and Suzuki)

Can't say I can see the bias myself. If you said the same about Rachel and Austin, I'd agree (though I do actually like them both!) Lisa is never going to win - I can't see her beating Austin, Tom or Rachel in a dance-off and I don't think the judges would pick her over any of those dancers. I think Bruno mentioned Lisa as being good in the group dance because she was dancing with him during it! I think the judges would sacrifice Lisa over any except Christine.

well my favourite is rachel, there aren't enough hours in the day to have a go at everyone on this board who "bullies" her unfortunately . i didnt think the comment about christine in the group dance was spiteful at all.

snap shes my favourite. I dont care if people dont like her, i'll disagree with them in threads but never call them a bully or jealous of her. Its just ridiculous, i dont even remember what was written about christine in the group dance that has upset everyone, was it me saying she wasnt great in it?

I'm not being dishonest just because I don't like Christine doesn't mean I don't genuinely think Jodie was a smidgen robbed. I've never concealed my dislike which is why of course you are able to pull me up about it and you're right it was formed by her reaction to her qs marks back in week four. However this is the first week where I felt she should have left the competition as there were always people who were worse than her in before and I just hope that it doesn't set a precedent with her getting a sympathy vote every time she's bottom of the leader board because of reasons I believe rightly or wrongly to be a misplaced perception of her character. I don't share others liking of her and it annoys me that it might lead to her getting further in the competition than she deserves.

If you read my post about why I don't think John supporters should transfer their votes to Christine you'll find I advocate giving them to Jodie instead. I understand why you feel the need to defend her because I've done so with people I liked who I felt were unfairly attacked (in much worse ways then I've done so with dear Chrissie I might add) but I've realized that you can't help how you feel sometimes. I don't like it but I'm a bit annoyed Jodie has gone and would have preferred to have been Lisa or Christine.

Group dance – anyone else think that the prospect of this was the real reason John Sergeant baled out. It's one thing to cope with Kristina's sympathetic choreography. Here, he would have had to contend with Arlene cracking the whip and I feel the results would not have been so flattering.

I really wanted Jodie to be top five.

I thought Brian danced Darren right off the floor all the way to the car park. Or something that makes more sense

Since Vincent & Flavia are the only couple to get about 3 or 4 solo dances every year why can't we see more of the other pros? I want to see a Karen/Matt jive.

Maybe. Again, not Rachel and Vincent's fault though- and they're the ones getting it in the neck for it!!

This 'saving' Rachel thing is a bit puzzling to me- why on earth would the producers be letting the judges save Rachel each week if she was sooooo unpopular with the public? Surely they would be telling the judges to mark her down and get her out, as she isn't pulling in votes or viewers.... I'm not sure she's as unpopular as people think. I'm not by any means saying she is the most popular, but I don't think they are marking her up to save her either.

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Slightly bitchy but I thought you might appreciate the opinion of a like minded soul

http://monkseal.wordpress.com/2008/1...t-1/#more-1041

see underneath the Rachel section for similarly expressed opinion.

Er..... no.

This may not be the case, but I'd imagine that mostly we'll get established partnerships performing existing, or easily adaptable, routines. The scratch couples like Hayley and Brendan and Karen and Matt are unlikely to have solos. They would have to create something new or else one of them learn something from the other's routines (e.g. Karen learning one of Nicole & Matt's routines). The latter might not be the done thing for pros, while the former would take time that Brendan and Matt doesn't have, so long as they're still in the competition.

However you attack the person who did not beat her in the dance off! If you want a different set of rules you should watch a different programme.

As I said earlier, I'm quite sure Jodie would not thank you for attacking her friend. I liked Jodie a lot too, she and Christine shone out as different to the other cut-throat celebs this year, and I am disappointed she is gone but I'm not childish enough to whinge about another contestant because of it or to make a criticism of someone in a group dance who was just doing the steps as choreographed.

You can say again and again that Christine is the worst dancer but her voters most likely see what I and many others do every week, that is that she is consistently undermarked while others are overmarked. We are just making a necessary adjustment.

Did you see her explanation on ITT to her reaction the night of the QS? She explained that she reacted to the COMMENTS which were harsh by anyone's standards and was actually pleasantly surprised by the marks when she got them. It's a long time for you to be holding a grudge over such a misunderstanding.

Christine is really lovely. She may not dance as well as some of the others but that is no reason to dislike her. We don't know her personally! She seems very nice and genuine.

I felt sorry for Jodie though I do think she probably was the worst dancer of the night. It's all relative, they are all good or very good now so whoever goes from now on will be a good dancer. I'm sure Jodie will be alright, she is such a sweet girl. She seemed pretty ill to me and I imagined her lying in bed all day today and watching the results show on the television all tucked up.

No her marks were NOT harsh not by compared to some of the things that were said to Jodie that same week and she did totally over-react to them. I don't hate her but I think it revealed a certain degree of petulance and preciousness which at odds with the 'ever so 'umble' image she projects and I found it annoying - I also thought it revealed a 'poor little me attitude which I don't like. She totally over-reacted to them. One of the mis-conceptions about Christine IMO (notice I keep putting that in as I'll totally accept that it my opinion) is that she isn't competitive if she's not then why the comment about it being a 'marathon not a sprint' and about climbing the leaderboard or words to that effect - I think she's as in it to win as everyone else and I don't degrudge her that but I do get annoyed that people appear to be voting for her because of that IMO mis-conception that she isn't. If you are allowed to vote because of Christine being under-marked then I am allowed to take into account that Jodie didn't get the time to rehearse that other people did through no fault of her own. I'll accept it's not the end of the world and suck it up but I'm a little bit cross about it and I'm allowed to vent. I also thought Lisa was a tad over-marked too and there was gapping between her and Brendan but you're right this is the game and worse things happen at sea.

I don't hate Christine I just don't want her to win because people think butter wouldn't melt in her mouth which is not an opinion I share nor am I alone in this. I'm sure she 's nice enough but it would be nice if it wasn't a popularity contest and had something to do with the dancing especially since you know what someone dances like far more than do what they're like. I'm allowed not to love someone and express that opinion. You can't like everyone and I'm sure there are some people who just annoy you on the show.

I like Rachel too and think she's in with a shout, but you should see what's being said on the 'Rachel won't win thread' - you'd think nobody female is voting for her.