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Old 24-11-2008, 11:58
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Last time I checked I was in London, which I was under the impression was in England, and I voted for her!?!?!
Obviously not every vote is from NI , but the majority......
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Old 24-11-2008, 12:01
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Hmm, clearly I need to get my eyes checked. Or perhaps a new definition of facial expressions would be in order? I certainly didn't see a scowl on her face to the best of my recollection (and my memory is quite good! )

I don't think that not thinking Christine is a lovely person is a hanging offense. What I do object to is the overcriticism of her dance and the demonising of her personality. She is one of the two weakest dancers remaining. She won't (and probably shouldn't) win, but she has earned her right to be in the competition at this point through a combination of her ability and popularity. Hopefully when she goes out it will be on the back of a good (but no longer competitive) dance and without all the bitterness that some people appear to want to inject into the proceedings!
I agree that Saturday was the first time you could make a serious case for her not deserving to be in the competition. I think though for me is not so much her but the idea that you should vote for her because she's lovelier than everyone else which I don't believe and I'm worried will rob people who are better dancers and ergo more deserving of places in the final and victory that really winds me up. I don't hate the women I just think she's isn't quite little Miss Sweetness and Light that her fans like to believe she is and of course don't being allowed to state that and the reasons why she irks me of course doesn't endear me to either her or her fans either. I don't like the fact that she and her fans wind me up but they do - I've not had this reaction to anyone else before.
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Old 24-11-2008, 12:03
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A nice person with a pleasant personality and a reasonable dancer, but of the 5 left, she is by far the worst and is easily outclassed by the others - but never in the dance-off so far. First time she is, goodbye Christine. She is the new underdog and gets public support.
About right

She's at an advatage being on the One Show, but I then expect any of the competitors would be angling for votes when they could too, if they were in her situation.

She's lucky to have such publicity.
Lisa and Rachel have both had to make their dancing grab the gbp's attention and they are both better than Christine. Lisa doesn't deserve this apathy from viewers but like John S said, we're at the mercy of the machine and if they choose Christine to support, nothing anyone can do. Makes me aaargh because Brendan and Lisa are absolute showstoppers !! Where's the love for the dance ?

Anyway, I won't be cheering if Christine wins though. Dancewise she doesn't deserve the trophy.
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Old 24-11-2008, 12:03
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You do know how small the population of NI is? 1.8 million - and I'd imagine it's a small percentage of those who watch SCD and an even smaller percentage who vote.

Christine must be picking up a substantial vote from GB - most likely viewers of the One Show.
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Old 24-11-2008, 12:04
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About right

She's at an advatage being on the One Show, but I then expect any of the competitors would be angling for votes when they could too, if they were in her situation.

She's lucky to have such publicity. Lisa and Rachel have both had to make their dancing grab the gbp's attention and they are both better than Christine. Lisa doesn't deserve this apathy from viewers but like John S said, we're at the mercy of the machine and if they choose Christine to support, nothing anyone can do.
Sadly, I won't be cheering if she wins though. Dancewise she doesn't deserve the trophy.
What about Lisa's daily radio show?
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Old 24-11-2008, 12:06
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Perhaps it's time to launch the next "You're sh!t. Now p!ss off and don't sully the dance-floor with your lame moves again..." campaign.

Oh, and then say we're so sorry to lose her because she had such a fabulous smile! And weep some crocodile tears.

The nastiness this series has reached new depths of turpitude.
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Old 24-11-2008, 12:11
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Perhaps it's time to launch the next "You're sh!t. Now p!ss off and don't sully the dance-floor with your lame moves again..." campaign.

Oh, and then say we're so sorry to lose her because she had such a fabulous smile! And weep some crocodile tears.

The nastiness this series has reached new depths of turpitude.
Yes I wondered whose turn it would be - guessed either Jodie or Christine.
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Old 24-11-2008, 12:13
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Perhaps it's time to launch the next "You're sh!t. Now p!ss off and don't sully the dance-floor with your lame moves again..." campaign.

Oh, and then say we're so sorry to lose her because she had such a fabulous smile! And weep some crocodile tears.

The nastiness this series has reached new depths of turpitude.
Major negativity vibes all over this board towards both Christine and Rachel.
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Old 24-11-2008, 12:16
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Major negativity vibes all over this board towards both Christine and Rachel.
...and Lisa...and Tom...and Austin?
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Old 24-11-2008, 12:17
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Major negativity vibes all over this board towards both Christine and Rachel.
Towards everyone to be honest, I think. Classic case of build them up and knock them down. None of the remaining dancers have escaped the negative vibes: Austin is too cocky, Tom is too smug, Christine and Lisa are false and Rachel is dull.
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Old 24-11-2008, 12:22
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...and Lisa...and Tom...and Austin?
Towards everyone to be honest, I think. Classic case of build them up and knock them down. None of the remaining dancers have escaped the negative vibes: Austin is too cocky, Tom is too smug, Christine and Lisa are false and Rachel is dull.
The negativity is there for them all (Austin has the least I'd say), but not to the same degree as Christine & Rachel imho - just look at the front page. If anything the negativity towards Tom which was rampant at one point has died down slightly (again imho).
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Old 24-11-2008, 12:36
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About right

She's at an advatage being on the One Show, but I then expect any of the competitors would be angling for votes when they could too, if they were in her situation.

She's lucky to have such publicity.
Lisa and Rachel have both had to make their dancing grab the gbp's attention and they are both better than Christine. Lisa doesn't deserve this apathy from viewers but like John S said, we're at the mercy of the machine and if they choose Christine to support, nothing anyone can do. Makes me aaargh because Brendan and Lisa are absolute showstoppers !! Where's the love for the dance ?

Anyway, I won't be cheering if Christine wins though. Dancewise she doesn't deserve the trophy.
So Christine's at an advantage because she's on The One Show and you don't think that Rachel has an advantage that she could dance already i.e. S Club 7.

Give me Christine's sparkling personality anyday.

Oh! Entertainment wise she does deserve the Trophy just as much as anyone else as it's not just a dancing competition. It's a dancing + entertainment competition otherwise it would be the same as Come Dancing was and that became boring to watch and dropped from the TV schedule.
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Old 24-11-2008, 12:44
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The negativity is there for them all (Austin has the least I'd say), but not to the same degree as Christine & Rachel imho - just look at the front page. If anything the negativity towards Tom which was rampant at one point has died down slightly (again imho).
I think it's a case of swings and roundabouts. Like you say, Tom at the start and I remember that being pretty full on, but is not pretty popular. Cherie was loved and then slated. John was loved and then slated. Jodie was in the bottom 2 first week and then she was well liked... I think it goes in waves and unfortunately it's Rachel and Christine's turn to be 'taken down' after being pretty much liked

It's not nice, but I wouldn't say the hostility has been any worse that what's been bandied around. I think the worst I've seen have been towards Lisa with some posters s***ging her off because she's only famous for who's she's been sleeping with and doesn't even deserve to be in the contest, which I think is really demeaning

I'm not excusing the hostility and the nasty comments, which I do think are uncalled for and probably reached new depths, but I think the nastiness is evenly spread!
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Old 24-11-2008, 12:48
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I think it's a case of swings and roundabouts. Like you say, Tom at the start and I remember that being pretty full on, but is not pretty popular. Cherie was loved and then slated. John was loved and then slated. Jodie was in the bottom 2 first week and then she was well liked... I think it goes in waves and unfortunately it's Rachel and Christine's turn to be 'taken down' after being pretty much liked

It's not nice, but I wouldn't say the hostility has been any worse that what's been bandied around. I think the wrose I've seen have been towards Lisa with some posters s***ging her off because she's only famous for who's she's been sleeping with and doesn't even deserve to be in the contest, which I think is really demeaning

I'm not excusing the hostility and the nasty comments, which I do think are uncalled for and probably reached new depths, but I think the nastiness is evenly spread!
I do agree about the swings & roundabouts (although I think Lisa has had a pretty easy ride - one of the easiest tbh). I'm just saying at the moment it is strongest toward Christine & Rachel - in fact it has never really dipped for them and now it is much worse.
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Old 24-11-2008, 12:51
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I think it's a case of swings and roundabouts. Like you say, Tom at the start and I remember that being pretty full on, but is not pretty popular. Cherie was loved and then slated. John was loved and then slated. Jodie was in the bottom 2 first week and then she was well liked... I think it goes in waves and unfortunately it's Rachel and Christine's turn to be 'taken down' after being pretty much liked

It's not nice, but I wouldn't say the hostility has been any worse that what's been bandied around. I think the wrose I've seen have been towards Lisa with some posters s***ging her off because she's only famous for who's she's been sleeping with and doesn't even deserve to be in the contest, which I think is really demeaning

I'm not excusing the hostility and the nasty comments, which I do think are uncalled for and probably reached new depths, but I think the nastiness is evenly spread!
We forget, I think, that the celebs are real people with feelings. It's all very well for us to judge them (ultimately, that is what they signed up for when they agreed to do the show) but we don't actually know them. Sometimes the comments get very personal and nasty, which is unnecessary. Dislike someone by all means (it's only human nature) but no need to get bitchy.

I felt really sorry for Lisa yesterday. Last week she could make the excuse that she was low down on the leaderboard so that was why she was in the dance off, but this week, she was further up the table and to still be in the danceoff must have been tough to take.
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Old 24-11-2008, 12:52
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I do agree about the swings & roundabouts (although I think Lisa has had a pretty easy ride - one of the easiest tbh). I'm just saying at the moment it is strongest toward Christine & Rachel - in fact it has never really dipped for them and now it is much worse.
Actually, I think Lisa is the one most people would like not to win - the Brendan factor comes into play a lot here.
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Old 24-11-2008, 13:00
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I think though for me is not so much her but the idea that you should vote for her because she's lovelier than everyone else which I don't believe and I'm worried will rob people who are better dancers and ergo more deserving of places in the final and victory that really winds me up.
Fair enough, although her personality is only one element of why I think she should still be in the competition at this stage. And it is a matter of opinion to some extent. I really don't see Lisa being that much better/more improved a dancer than Christine, so I don't support her. Each to there own, but I don't feel the need to label all those who do support Lisa as dupes of the judges' overpraise. (That last is a bit of an overstatement for effect. I don't think that is what you were trying to do to Christine's supporters in your last post; but given the general tenor of commentary about her, it is hard not to feel a bit put upon today... )

Great post!

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Old 24-11-2008, 13:06
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I do agree about the swings & roundabouts (although I think Lisa has had a pretty easy ride - one of the easiest tbh). I'm just saying at the moment it is strongest toward Christine & Rachel - in fact it has never really dipped for them and now it is much worse.
I'd agree there Buddy. Rachel and Christine have always had quite a bit of criticism levelled at them, and it's only getting worse not better.

As someone else said- people seem to forget that these are real people (IMO the same thing happened last year with the whole Vincent/Matt/Flavia thing)... They have put themselves up there to be criticised- but on a dancing level, not on the personal level that seems to be getting worse by the week.... I've read comments about Rachel which not only call her dull, but also uneducated (or something along those lines- maybe not that exact word) and as far as I can see there is nothing we are shown that could possibly allow us to make such a sweeping statement, and also even if she isn't the brightest button in the box- what the hell has that got to do with her dancing?!

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Old 24-11-2008, 13:11
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looking on the bright side : Christine has great legs which I for one would like to see more of.

Why is everyone ( except Tom ) bad at Latin this year . Was it ever thus ? If Christine is back in ballroom this week she may survive and Lisa will be looking vulnerable? Lisa has great legs too come to think of it but it's not Legs Idol is it ?
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Old 24-11-2008, 13:13
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looking on the bright side : Christine has great legs which I for one would like to see more of.

Why is everyone ( except Tom ) bad at Latin this year . Was it ever thus ? If Christine is back in ballroom this week she may survive and Lisa will be looking vulnerable? Lisa has great legs too come to think of it but it's not Legs Idol is it ?
If it`s two dances this week, will they have to do one ballroom and one latin?
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Old 24-11-2008, 13:18
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That's a good post shakedown, made me smile at any rate.

Not everyone listens to Lisa on the radio (I didn't know her before SCD), nor watches the One Show avidly. I see it occasionally but am usually cooking or serving at that time. So I did know Christine slightly but had no real opinion of her before SCD. I expect that is the same for a lot of us.

Christine comes across as very pleasant. Of course we don't know them personally so they all probably have a horrible side to their nature but Christine is not on the show to be voted "Miss Sweetness and Light". She gets votes because she tries hard, improves, takes criticism on the chin and seems very nice with it. It doesn't all come easily to her. Not saying it is easy for other competitors, it obviously isn't, but people like to see someone who struggles a bit, who doesn't appear to have much natural flair for dancing yet, with hard work, manages to perform well.
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Old 24-11-2008, 13:45
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That's a good post shakedown, made me smile at any rate.

Not everyone listens to Lisa on the radio (I didn't know her before SCD), nor watches the One Show avidly. I see it occasionally but am usually cooking or serving at that time. So I did know Christine slightly but had no real opinion of her before SCD. I expect that is the same for a lot of us.

Christine comes across as very pleasant. Of course we don't know them personally so they all probably have a horrible side to their nature but Christine is not on the show to be voted "Miss Sweetness and Light". She gets votes because she tries hard, improves, takes criticism on the chin and seems very nice with it. It doesn't all come easily to her. Not saying it is easy for other competitors, it obviously isn't, but people like to see someone who struggles a bit, who doesn't appear to have much natural flair for dancing yet, with hard work, manages to perform well.
It is for me. I don't really watch the One Show and have never listened to Lisa's radio show, so unlike a lot of people on here I haven't got preconceived ideas about them. However, I knew Rachel from S Club 7, don't particularly like them, but I wouldn't let it colour my view on her now- where as I think a lot of people are letting that happen with all the celebs. Totally different set of circumstances IMO, so the slate gets wiped clean!!
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Old 24-11-2008, 13:50
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It is for me. I don't really watch the One Show and have never listened to Lisa's radio show, so unlike a lot of people on here I haven't got preconceived ideas about them. However, I knew Rachel from S Club 7, don't particularly like them, but I wouldn't let it colour my view on her now- where as I think a lot of people are letting that happen with all the celebs. Totally different set of circumstances IMO, so the slate gets wiped clean!!
In theory that's how it should be, but even if you don't have preconceived notions about the celebs, you may well do about the pros. It was different in series one, where it was all new, but these days it's an entirely different story. It's quite possible to dislike a celeb because you don't like their partner (as often happens!) The only way to approach the show without bias is to wipe the entire slate clean and have a whole new cast of pros too!
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Old 24-11-2008, 13:58
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I think there has to be some credit given for the fact that Christine has a JOB that must interfere with training.

Neither Austin, Tom or Rachel appear to have other commitments and can train as many hours as there are in the day.

I agree that Lisa also has her radio job, but I honestly think radio especially early morning is easier than live television.
But she's on the breakfast show with a 4am start...and for more hours - I can't see how the crappy One Show can be more demanding than that and also, bizarrely, by virtue it's live TV and is on later in the day! I would presume Lisa's day is probably much more difficult.
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Old 24-11-2008, 14:02
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But she's on the breakfast show with a 4am start...and for more hours - I can't see how the crappy One Show can be more demanding than that and also, bizarrely, by virtue it's live TV and is on later in the day!
If I remember correctly from the 'Day in the Life of...' segement on ITT, she also has auditions to go to for the new series of Britain's Next Top Model. Not saying Lisa's day is harder than Christine's though as I'm sure that each equally has difficulties and demands on their time.
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