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In my opinion very large numbers of people are very unhappy with the way the judges in particular are behaving and by inference the production team. After 6 years of continuous employment with salary rise whenever they felt like it, the 4 judges now believe they own the show and can tell 10 million viewers what to do. The SCD management team meanwhile enjoyed a siesta oblivious to audience feedback, allowing the show to coast along on auto-pilot, not unlike financial regulators woken up by credit crunch. |
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After 6 years of continuous employment with salary rise whenever they felt like it, the 4 judges now believe they own the show and can tell 10 million viewers what to do.
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The SCD management team meanwhile enjoyed a siesta oblivious to audience feedback, allowing the show to coast along on auto-pilot, not unlike financial regulators woken up by credit crunch.
They've taken a series from a rocky start (Chris Parker in the final? Remember that? ) to being a massively-successful entertainment show, marketed to dozens of countries, earning the BBC 60 million quid a year in royalties, and winning massive ratings in prime-time telly for over three months a year.If that's a failure, what would you count as a success? ![]() In short, what evidence is there that this series needs to be in any way "saved"? |
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Why did John leave the week after he did a good dance, got good scores and nice comments from the judges?
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OK, so a dreadful week. JS forced out, the delightful Jodie gone tonight.
But Christine still remains. And with the speculated transfer of JS votes, it's still possible that a nice and genuine fun contestant can prevail. Go Christine, avoid the dance off and the glitter ball's yours to lose. and he wouldn't take the joke that far .Delightful Jodie , very true . |
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OK, so a dreadful week. JS forced out, the delightful Jodie gone tonight.
But Christine still remains. And with the speculated transfer of JS votes, it's still possible that a nice and genuine fun contestant can prevail. Go Christine, avoid the dance off and the glitter ball's yours to lose. |
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What a splendid final - the worst dancer is comprehensively out performed iand then wins because enough people just vote for whoever the judges say is worst........
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OK, so a dreadful week. JS forced out, the delightful Jodie gone tonight.
But Christine still remains. And with the speculated transfer of JS votes, it's still possible that a nice and genuine fun contestant can prevail. Go Christine, avoid the dance off and the glitter ball's yours to lose. The responsibility for Jodie going rests entirely on the anti-judge vote that kept JS in. They ensured that everyone else weak had gone so Jodie went, early, last week. If JS had gone at a time appropriate to his dancing someone like Heather or Andrew would have been still around to be in that week's dance off. Their continuing to vote for JS when even he implied he should go meant that he had to walk out rather than go himself this week. That in turn meant that someone else filled his departure slot this week. Jodie goes one or two weks early with her story uncompleted and JS walks out causing more damage by the manner of his going. Its also likely that the anti-Judge vote ensured Jodie went by sloshing over to the next worst dancer on the judge's scoreboard - Christine. That may have saved Christine and put Jodie into a dance off with one of the 4 good dancers which she couldn't win. If Christine had been in the bottom two Jodie would have stayed - rightly for someone with the stronger performance and the stronger story. The anti-judge vote has effectively savaged this series by removing the people with stronger stories and progression early in favour of the JS saga. If it carries on it could produce an almost worse case final where the winner will only be remarkable because all their real opposition didn't even make the final. In the worst case the weakest of the last 6 could win. |
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Well, my posting style varies depending on the level of post I'm responding too. If you don't believe me, look at my posts on the dance threads, or in the "Not appreciation" thread.
Something to consider, possibly... Anyway: That's possible, but the forum isn't Real Life. Just because there's a load of uproar in the forums, doesn't necessarily mean that translates into the same sentiment for the GBP. People like controversy. If I were really cynical, I'd wonder if the whole thing was, shall we say, a wee bit manufactured? I'm 100% certain that the producers have absolutely loved the Sargeant-Gate saga, it's been great for them. Always remember, the production team don't give a stuff about the quality of the series. Their only measure is ratings. If ratings increase, they've succeeded. That's it. So, if the viewing figures increase, or stay stable, then will you admit your argument was wrong? Because I can't see how you can say "Well, more people are watching but they're not happy about it" - how on earth can you tell? And why would people watch a programme they don't like anyway? ![]() Your style is patronising and smacks of arrogance. It is unecessarily confrontational, and, let's be honest, your arguments are obtuse and fairly light weight. I'm new to these forums, and wish to discuss SCD matters in general terms with members interested in issues. I do not wish to engage in A-level standard (and that's generous) textual analysis / deconstruction. |
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If Christine had been in the bottom two Jodie would have stayed - rightly for someone with the stronger performance and the stronger story.
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In 2003 Fenia Vardanis (since departed from the BBC) created Strictly as a happy show with herself and production team in the driving seat.
After 6 years of continuous employment with salary rise whenever they felt like it, the 4 judges now believe they own the show and can tell 10 million viewers what to do. The SCD management team meanwhile enjoyed a siesta oblivious to audience feedback, allowing the show to coast along on auto-pilot, not unlike financial regulators woken up by credit crunch. The Beeb does appear to be going through a phase where "ratings rule",and at any cost it would seem. I should imagine the judges are encouraged to cause as much controversy as possible thereby ensuring weekly headlines for the show,but they crossed the line this year when it became personal. Christine I would love to see lift that glitter ball with Matthew,yes contrary to what some posts infer she can dance,and for a total novice I think she's been exceptional, she had a bad week last week,the week before was beautiful. Everyone of the remaining couples have had bad weeks ,some quite a few, but still been overmarked ,but all 5 deserve their place,but Christine does epitomise what Strictly is all about ,the enjoyment and fun in dancing,not a desperation to win ,where you lose focus and forget this is light entertainment,and that the prize is only a plastic glitter ball. Ellie |
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Well I voted three times for Christine, three times for Jodie and once for Rachel on Saturday. Unfortunately my three for Jodie did not stop her leaving
. I hadn't voted for anyone previously in this series. I didn't vote to spite anyone but because I like the work of all three. I like the others too but these captured my imagination.Christine is not, yet, as good as the other celebs but she tries very hard. She works on the problems pointed out by the judges and she improves. She may continue to improve for all we know and overtake the others. What people like about Christine is her dedication, humility and patience, as well as her engaging personality. She makes progress. I would be delighted if she won. I don't think she will but anything is possible. |
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Spot on soulmate,if the judges had been reined in earlier the bad feeling that now surrounds this series, would never have occurred,but yet again a BBC production team allowed this to happen,and I suspect like many here this is done in the name of ratings,much like Brand/Ross.
The Beeb does appear to be going through a phase where "ratings rule",and at any cost it would seem. I should imagine the judges are encouraged to cause as much controversy as possible thereby ensuring weekly headlines for the show,but they crossed the line this year when it became personal. Christine I would love to see lift that glitter ball with Matthew,yes contrary to what some posts infer she can dance,and for a total novice I think she's been exceptional, she had a bad week last week,the week before was beautiful. Everyone of the remaining couples have had bad weeks ,some quite a few, but still been overmarked ,but all 5 deserve their place,but Christine does epitomise what Strictly is all about ,the enjoyment and fun in dancing,not a desperation to win ,where you lose focus and forget this is light entertainment,and that the prize is only a plastic glitter ball. Ellie |
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What a splendid final - the worst dancer is comprehensively out performed iand then wins because enough people just vote for whoever the judges say is worst........
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Well I voted three times for Christine, three times for Jodie and once for Rachel on Saturday. Unfortunately my three for Jodie did not stop her leaving
. I hadn't voted for anyone previously in this series. I didn't vote to spite anyone but because I like the work of all three. I like the others too but these captured my imagination.Christine is not, yet, as good as the other celebs but she tries very hard. She works on the problems pointed out by the judges and she improves. She may continue to improve for all we know and overtake the others. What people like about Christine is her dedication, humility and patience, as well as her engaging personality. She makes progress. I would be delighted if she won. I don't think she will but anything is possible.
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I agree that the best dancer may not win. Some people vote for the dancing, some for the personality. It was just fortunate that last year Alesha had both. I would much rather vote for effort and improvement than someone consistently scoring in the high 30s. Although ideally they'd improve from low 20s to perfect scores AND have a great personality, it's not going to happen this year. Hence the dilemma!
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Just hang on a minute, I cannot let you get away with that one.
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In your humble opinion. There is no evidence to any of what you said, except the higher score in the main show, I personally thought Jodie completely lost it in the dance-off. Who knows what would have happened if that dance-off had happened. We never will! If it makes you feel better though, keep believing that.
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I understand that completely. However that's not the way the game works. If John had gone when he deserved to (in terms of dancing), do you think all the other bottom-twos would have bean the same? (I genuinely mean that as a question, I don't mean it as a smart-arse comment or anything)
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Does the show really need to be saved?
I don't think so. Over to you Tess. |
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) to being a massively-successful entertainment show, marketed to dozens of countries, earning the BBC 60 million quid a year in royalties, and winning massive ratings in prime-time telly for over three months a year.
and he wouldn't take the joke that far .
. I hadn't voted for anyone previously in this series. I didn't vote to spite anyone but because I like the work of all three. I like the others too but these captured my imagination.
