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Foxsat-HDR Bugs Thread [Merged]
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richard_g_uk
01-12-2008
Originally Posted by Fatbloke99:
“That's a Freesat 'feature', rather than a Humax fault. SD RGB output is disabled on all HD content to prevent copying....

Hate to say it...but read the f...riendly manual!!

Following on from my packaging 'bug' I'm happy to report the box works fine (thought it would) so unless the supplier insist on replacing it (not very likely), I'll keep this one I think.

Would have much preferred a loose mains cable though - don't care for hard-wired ones in my AV cabinet, right pain working a 13A plug out the back.”

After a few seonds on both BBC HD and ITV HD the SCART socket switches from RGB mode to Composite mode. It sounds as though you have the TV SCART connected to an RGB/S-Video enabled scart input only.
Taliska
02-12-2008
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02-12-2008
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Taliska
02-12-2008
Originally Posted by richard_g_uk:
“After a few seconds on both BBC HD and ITV HD the SCART socket switches from RGB mode to Composite mode. It sounds as though you have the TV SCART connected to an RGB/S-Video enabled scart input only.”

I've finally worked out what is happening. When the TV is switched on, it auto-selects the HDR and takes the RGB feed - when that times-out it will automatically pick the Composite feed. (This is when it is 'working').

However, when the RGB input is manually chosen on the TV, it will no longer auto-switch to composite when the RGB signal goes. (This is when it is 'not working').

I've had this Sony telly for donkey's years and have never had this problem before. Aarrgghh.

Of course the HD downscaled composite picture is poorer quality in comparison, so what on earth is the point of even bothering to downscale it! Perhaps the answer is merely - because we can, and it's another feature tick.

Some of us do actually have more than one telly fed off the satellite box and deserve a decent picture on all the TVs.

Taliska
Taliska
02-12-2008
Apologies for the treble post - I'm really not quite sure what happened there!
Fatbloke99
02-12-2008
Originally Posted by richard_g_uk:
“After a few seonds on both BBC HD and ITV HD the SCART socket switches from RGB mode to Composite mode. It sounds as though you have the TV SCART connected to an RGB/S-Video enabled scart input only.”

Sorry - didn't pick up on the nuance of that.

Have to agree with others that disabling the analogue RGB OP on HD is a bit daft, but that's down to Freesat, not Humax is it not?
markt22m
02-12-2008
I'm not sure if anyone else has posted yet, but I found a fix for the Foxsat-HDR E-OS problem.

Indeed the update is performed using LNB-2. So if you've got one cable:

1. Plug cable into LNB-1
2. Check for updates (automatic)
3. When the message comes up saying "Do you want to update to the new firmware", carefully take the cable out and plug it into LNB-2.
4. Now press ok on the dialog box, and your box should update successfully.

I think this is dangerous as you could damage your box/dish/yourself (am i right?), so I would never recommend doing it (don't do it!), but if you really really really want the new firmware, this works.
OnlyLee
02-12-2008
Originally Posted by markt22m:
“I'm not sure if anyone else has posted yet, but I found a fix for the Foxsat-HDR E-OS problem.

Indeed the update is performed using LNB-2. So if you've got one cable:”

I have tried many different ways, but I didn't try that!

And, to be honest, I don't intend to! -- unless Humax suggests it, and that seems pretty unlikely given the little sticker on the top!

Well discovered all the same.
machare
03-12-2008
On my TV when I use the remote to select one of the scart sockets the TV briefly dispalys the name of the socket, whether it is rgb/cvbs/s-video and sometimes the name of the programme.

The programme name is shonw when Technomate satellite receiver is tuned to Channel 4 and some French stations. It is not shown for BBC or ITV stations.

The HDR does not even show 'Channel 4'. - A minor fault perhaps.
scarlet
03-12-2008
Originally Posted by markt22m:
“I'm not sure if anyone else has posted yet, but I found a fix for the Foxsat-HDR E-OS problem.

Indeed the update is performed using LNB-2. So if you've got one cable:”

Presumably it will work if you simply connect the loop through to the LNB-2 input, as it describes in the manual?

Originally Posted by markt22m:
“I think this is dangerous as you could damage your box/dish/yourself (am i right?), so I would never recommend doing it (don't do it!), but if you really really really want the new firmware, this works.”

I would say this is more a case of covering themselves against liability in the event that a problem occurs. It's probably not likely to cause a problem, but if you do it, it's at your own risk.
smiler2
03-12-2008
Originally Posted by markt22m:
“I'm not sure if anyone else has posted yet, but I found a fix for the Foxsat-HDR E-OS problem.

Indeed the update is performed using LNB-2. So if you've got one cable:

1. Plug cable into LNB-1
2. Check for updates (automatic)
3. When the message comes up saying "Do you want to update to the new firmware", carefully take the cable out and plug it into LNB-2.
4. Now press ok on the dialog box, and your box should update successfully.

I think this is dangerous as you could damage your box/dish/yourself (am i right?), so I would never recommend doing it (don't do it!), but if you really really really want the new firmware, this works.”

worked for me..thx
markt22m
03-12-2008
Originally Posted by scarlet:
“Presumably it will work if you simply connect the loop through to the LNB-2 input, as it describes in the manual?”

Unfortunately not, I already had a loop through connected. For some reason, this is not active / doesn't work when updating the box from firmware 1.0.01.
Chippy99
04-12-2008
Originally Posted by Automan:
“It would seem the thumbnails are only created at about 03:00 the next morning if your box is in standby at that time.

Thus for any program you record and want to watch the same day you get no thumbnails.

No 100% proof this is the case but this is from my observation of what it seems to do.

Automan.”

That would seem very odd. It would have to come out of standby to do that. Has anyone been up at 3:00 to see if that happens?

(Incidentally, I got my box today and I have no thumbnails on any of my test recordings.)
weesparra
04-12-2008
You will tomorrow....thumbnails will be there in the morning
richard_g_uk
04-12-2008
Originally Posted by Chippy99:
“That would seem very odd. It would have to come out of standby to do that. Has anyone been up at 3:00 to see if that happens?”

Can confirm that at 3:00 one of the nights this week I was awake and it did indeed boot up at for a couple of minutes.
richard_g_uk
04-12-2008
Originally Posted by Fatbloke99:
“Sorry - didn't pick up on the nuance of that. ”

Sorry for the confusion but I quoted the wrong post (and didn't notice)
bryhhh
04-12-2008
I read that the HDR was supposed to deal with programmes that are split by a news programme.

Well, I've found an instance where the HDR doesn't cope with this.

Earlier tonight, I started watching the film on Five, and decided to record the rest of it to watch later (I simply pressed the rec button on the remote). The first part recorded fine, but the second part after the news did not record.

I guess if I'd have scheduled it, instead of recording on the fly, it would have recorded both parts.
son_t
05-12-2008
Originally Posted by bryhhh:
“I guess if I'd have scheduled it, instead of recording on the fly, it would have recorded both parts.”

This is correct. Split Event recording uses the metadata. When you perform a instant recording the box just records the channel you are on and does not use the metadata.

Also, how long did the instant recording last? On the Humax Freeview PVR, an instant recording will record until the end of the programme, on the HDR - depending where you start recording, it might record beyond the end of the programme...
Bob Warriner
05-12-2008
Originally Posted by carvell:
“I've found that if you're watching something that is still recording then as soon as the recording finishes, it jumps to live tv, rather than just carrying on with playing back what's been recorded.”

I can confirm that that happens to me aswell, jumping to live TV when chase playing is very annoying.
The PVR-9200T doesn't do that, so I suspect something is not quite right, if it's a bug, It needs to be sorted pretty quickly.
Otherwise everything else OK.
Rgds Bob.
Chippy99
05-12-2008
Originally Posted by weesparra:
“You will tomorrow....thumbnails will be there in the morning”

Indeed they are!

I was going to say how bizarre, but I just figured out why....

I was wondering why it doesn't just make the thumbnails as it records, but when you think about it, it doesn't necessarily know how long the recording will be (you might cancel it early) so it doesn't know what 1/8th of the recording is.

So it has to re-visit the whole recording when its finished to add the thumbnails, and as it can't really do that whilst you are asking the box to do lots of other things at the same time, that's why it wakes at 3.00 a.m. to do it.

It's still a bit daft though imho. The drawback of this approach is that you don't have any thumbnails until minimum the next day.

Another approach would have been to look at how long the recording was supposed to last, divide it by 8 and take a thumbnail every n minutes where n= T/8. Of course if you stop the recording early, then you wouldn't get 8 thumbnails, so that would be another compromise, but I could live with that and it would prevent the need to wake the box up in the middle of the night.
bryhhh
05-12-2008
Originally Posted by son_t:
“This is correct. Split Event recording uses the metadata. When you perform a instant recording the box just records the channel you are on and does not use the metadata.”

It would be nice if this could be addressed in a future update though. - I don't know if it's possible.

Originally Posted by son_t:
“Also, how long did the instant recording last? On the Humax Freeview PVR, an instant recording will record until the end of the programme, on the HDR - depending where you start recording, it might record beyond the end of the programme...”

I think (but I'll have to check later), that it stopped recording around the time the first part finished.
carvell
05-12-2008
Originally Posted by Bob Warriner:
“I can confirm that that happens to me aswell, jumping to live TV when chase playing is very annoying.
The PVR-9200T doesn't do that, so I suspect something is not quite right, if it's a bug, It needs to be sorted pretty quickly.
Otherwise everything else OK.
Rgds Bob.”

Did it to me again yesterday! This time though, I had rewound live TV and was merrily watching it 10mins behind live tv, but when it got to the end of the programme that was airing in live time, the box jumped straight to live tv, meaning I had to rewind again to get back to where I was watching.
Panman1300
05-12-2008
Originally Posted by Bob Warriner:
“The PVR-9200T doesn't do that, so I suspect something is not quite right, if it's a bug, It needs to be sorted pretty quickly.”

I believe that the 9200T does jump back to the broadcast stream when the recording is finished and you were watching a 'time slipped' version. I soon learnt to always watch the recording file in these circumstances.
son_t
05-12-2008
It doesn't do this with and instant record (and watched from the Playlist). Tested this the other day, and came to the conclusion that in some certain circumstances it does drop you out to live TV but not all the time...

(So when it does - it must be a 'PVR' thing...)
grahamlthompson
05-12-2008
Originally Posted by scarlet:
“Presumably it will work if you simply connect the loop through to the LNB-2 input, as it describes in the manual?



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No it doesn't which is one of the wierd things about this problem. It's probably related to the restriction on recording a third channel even though tuner 2 is free
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