You are wrong to equate the Nuts photoshoots (controlled environment, sensitively shot, well photographed) to these sleazy shots of Zak and girls that he didn't have to get so involved with. You cannot argue for Zak by putting down Chan's legit work (they are some of her best photos). Zak has to stand by his own actions. I personally think that Chan is quite adult about these things and the media can easily make a mountain out of a molehill, she'll dismiss it as work, although might scold Zak privately for behaving like an idiot. It is however unfortunate that Zak's own Agent seems to be the one orchestrating the Player angle like Purdy says .

Its best he handles them than the other way round. Women will get a kiss and hug if they want one and no one will stop them. He has to control it and he does. Look at how he handled any kissing/touching with any of the women in there. He held not them. Chanelle gets to hold him and touch him. Thats the difference.
Yes Stu used to get all this and worse. He was passing balloons in groins at one time and he regularly signed breasts. It meant nothing and he went home to Mich every time.

i was a chiggy junky too infacy i was chiggy obsesive so much so it began to scare me lol

Maybe once we see his latest PA's pics from last night in Wakefield or tonight's from Leicester it will show if Chanelle has had a word with him or not .. i.e if he's touchy feely etc. If he isn't then maybe she asked him to tone it down a tad - if he is then maybe it will show she's fine with it... Just a thought...

I agree with the Nuts shoots but I have to disagree about him being an idiot. Hes working, just like she does. She has control in that environment yes but he is in control of those women. They are not mauling him like they quite easily could. He is holding them and controling what goes on.
Im sure he would stand by his actions and Im sure Chanelle will be standing by his side to.

Yes and ensure the bunny boiler comments about her are made legitimate. She doesnt own him or control him. Hes in control.
She would be silly to make any sort of issue about this and Im confident she has more sense than us..
I dont recall him making an issue about her sleeping with Billi or getting back with her ex etc etc.
They know whats crap and what isnt.

You're wrong!

Have you ever been to a pa by a male BB housemate?

From your reaction to the photo's in today's Star i would say you have not.

Compared to some of the things i've witnessed on these nights, Chanelle & Ziggy's look extremely innocent.

I'm soooooo happy

England have knock Australia out of the rugby world cup.
12-10 to England.

I have shout it from the roof tops, that I'm so happy.


Is there any news about Zac and Chanelle?

Thanks Lenchsal I appreciate what you are saying. But as I said previously my problem is not how Ziggy is actually behaving but more how he is being portrayed as behaving.
And I'm not happy that Chanelle seems to be being humiliated in the process at the cost of bigging up Ziggy the Player, which seems to be DLs choice of marketing.

If he is in control then why is he pictured in such a close and touchy feely shot? Anyway it is all opinions; some FMs will excused him some will criticise. I am just giving my opinion. My main point originally was the dissing of Chan in order to big up or excuse Zig's actions. We have Zak's agent apparently doing that already we don't want fans going off in that direction as well.

I can't view this vid, everything seems to load up to the point ofthe black screen with the little twirly thing in the centre but it doesn't go any further, do you need to wait for longer than 3 mins before the vid starts to play? as that is how long I waited but no vid came on.

Well Ziggy cant help the way you feel.
He will be portrayed like this with or without DL.
Stu was, Paul was, in fact they all are if they are in a relationship. The media will do anything for a headline.
Last few weeks Zig was being humilliated by headlines of Billi and Chanelle. Then there was Chanelle and Ian, oh and Chanelle and Ryan. All since he came out of the house. We continued to support Chanelle through all these so why not Ziggy now? Hes done nothing wrong except to work.
How shallow we all are.

hasnt she said she is ok with the pa's and the womanwanting there photo with hime and grabbing its all part of the job and she is ok with it

How long did the kiss last? How long was he close to each one?
Where were his feet placed? His groin?
Wheres the problem with this?
Im a Chan fan through and through but people are being ridiculous with these pics IMHO.

Yep shes fine with it.
Good job shes acting like the adult.

Agree as well... There are six (!): three from the Wenn site: the 6th, 7th, and 14th on p1/3, and three that are Big Pictures versions of the 10th on p1 and the 10th on p2, plus one with a woman from one of the Wenn group photographs along same lines.

..nothing that should start a mass panic and a 'head for the hills' at this time of the weekend... not when his 'Cafe' interview was so good (despite the irritating voice from the other end of the sofa :yawn:). The photographs from his PAs probably suggest much more about females in crowded nightclubs not always respecting his personal space than it does about him - the buzzy-bee Blackpool photograph being another example. It could be construed as a double-standard, as in the House, of whether it is a male or female who is the 'victim' of such 'interference'. It would probably be unrealistic to think that he would not do any PAs in the circumstances.

I don't always agree with you Lenchsal, but i 100% agree with regard to these and any other pics i've seen from both Ziggy and Chanelles pa's.

I'll reiterate what i posted on the other thread. I'm astounded by the naivety on both threads regarding pa's. i can only surmise that very few have actually attended one.

completely agree with you Len!

sorry folks i was running out of money and i sold a story to the notw i will give you all a hands up on the story
i was coming home from ireland yesterday and guess who i was sitting next to yes it was betsy
anyway after a few wines i asked her how she is getting on and she told me about a love triangle she is involved in between billi and ziggi and channelle dont know about it she feela awfull about the situation because she cant choose between the two she likes ziggis looks but she just loves billi in his wresleing outfit and she knows when the story comes out it will hurt channelle but she dont feel guilty as they hardly ever talk these days last night the news of the worlld phoned betsy and she refused the comment

again I agree.
This is par for the course with these PAs, particularily where an attractive man like Ziggy is involved.
Its just harmless fun! The women may go a bit OTT sometimes but I am sure ziggy is well able to handle the attention. I have no doubt him and chanelle have spoken about it and she knows the score - the its a 'job' and theres nothing to it and that its her he goes home to, loves etc....if you really believe he is a 'love rat' then yes maybe i can see why these photos are an issue, but i dont so i dont see the problem.

ive got an idea- why dont we talk about something happier and not about ziggy pa pictures

Lets wait until Ziggy drags them into a corner to have sex with them before we get our knickers in a twist. This thread is going to get ridiculous if we over analyse every single PA picture that appears.

What a good idea, what do you want to talk about?

Absolutely - Chanelle is showing herself to be extremely mature & coping with the fame superbly well since leaving the house. This includes all this stuff from Billi etc. etc. & also the attention Ziggy is getting. The one concern I had having seen these two in the house was 'trust' as I knew this was going to be tested & it has been. They have shown that all this was trust stuff in the BB house was about the environment they were in & they are totally different in the 'real world'. Time to move on - Ziggy is not a player & Chanelle is not a spolit child. I've never believed either but it seems that both descriptions are so deeply held by some that they are just unable to give them up. Media will print whatever they want but as long as the people that support them believe differently it is all that matters. Lets face it on showbiz there are still plenty who believe that Jordan/Pete are fake - two kids later!!

MB

Lenchal, I wish you weren't so loose with your words . Chan would have some legitimacy (like us here) obviously in getting annoyed about those pictures but they might turn out to be innocent depending on how Zak reacts to her. Bunny boiler? Chan has never been that (are you trying to bitch like those interfering HMs in the BB house? There are no pics of Chan sleeping with Billi, no pics of Chan getting back with her Ex. All Tab lies.
You are falling into the DL trap of attempting to diss Chan to support Zak. I thought you knew better Lenchsal.
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