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I said similar yesterday. I've never been to a night-club PA but have been to Meet & Greets before a gig. Total mayhem with women after hugs & kisses & photos to prove it. Seems I need to tame my behaviour otherwise their girlfriends might be misconstrue it!!

MB

Ok what I am going to say is only my opinion and is now my take on this weeks proceedings which have all been conducted through 1 red top the DS.
Before I start interesting fact ............ all pics regarding the PA on the Wenn site have been removed and on looking at the keystone press site these seem to be copies of Wenn pics.
Ok my take:-
Tuesday article in DS promoting Chanelle's interview in New mag ........ an article I may say even has me a grown man very touched. However imo it does give a slant on Ziggy making most of the running eg cards, flowers,pressies and surpise holiday breaks.
Wednesday again in the DS ......... article trying to redress the balance saying Chanelle has booked a break away for them this week showing she is as commited Ziggy ( but we already knew that).
Saturday DS again ......... pics initially on wenn removed and now in hands of imo Keystone press. DL reads comments on his comments made re Chanelle ....... realises he has mis read opinions and tries rather badly again in my opinion to correct his error.
Not the best of theories but just a different slant.

We must remember that there have been numerous PA's done since leaving the house and uptodate we have not been exposed to anything like this.why???

You obviously didnt read the DS then. It clearly says Bunny boiler in that.
I know shes not a bunny boiler. Do you not see what I meant in my post? For her to tell him off would clarify the paper saying shes a bunny boiler.
All tabloid lies? Yep definately so why arent the same words being brandished about the words the DS has about this? Oh because its Ziggy
I am not dissing Chan far from it.
Im trying to be adult about the pictures just like Chanelle will be.

People are expressing their opinions towards these slightly dodgy pics. It's only natural and should be allowed IMO. No point calling people ridiculous and not adult just because they don't share your opinion.

Yes lets do that.

Let me just say this, that some woman not all woman will always though themself at a good looking man when they have drink in them.

Can I say I'm soooo happy thaa England have knock Australia out of the rugby wolrd cup, so I'm not going to let anything get to me today about these PA pictures.

Who cares what the papers say. If you repeat these slurs then you are bringing them into play as if true. I am talking about the pics and DL, Zak's agent's negative blog text, and drawing my own opinion and so are other posters. All the rest can be dismissed can't it. Anyway you look at it people are still entitled to their opinion without being insulted.

Nothing dodgy about those pictures at all. I it were Liam or Brian or even Chanelle they would be fine. But this is Ziggy isnt it. He who sinned and is not to be forgiven.
My opinion is people are being ridiculous about the pictures.

How can photos that are par for the course at PAs now turn into 'slightly dodgy pics'?

whats dodgy about them, I am sure that every man who has ever done a PA has similar ow worse, if he chooses to do PAs then this is a part of them, and thats why they get paid big bucks,

they both have to live with the less savoury aspects of the tabloids, Zac has had to live with photos of Chan with Best, and Lee Ryan, both innocent, but to some people who read the tabloids they will not be innocent, and the copy that was written to accompany the Best photos was to humiliate him, he has to live with rumours she is running back to her exes, she had sex with Billie, all untrue but some will believe it, so what if there are no photos, the words are just as bad,

this is work, he was paid to be there and entertain the ladies, who paid to see him,

what dodgy pictures all i saw was someone doin a pa daughter went to 1 last year to see mikey and the girls was all over him wanting a kiss and a photo giving him a hug its what happens @personall appearances whats the point in making something out of nothing

Yes, is there a repeat tonight anytime, I missed it ?

Oh so we can discuss anything positive written about Chanelle but not anything negative? That must never be repeated.
The pics are work.

TBF I was not comparing the quality of the photographs more the effect they could have on Ziggy and Chanelle. Here I think there is a comparison to be made. It is possible that Ziggy may prefer his g/f not to be displayed on the front page of the DS as she has been, similarly I suspect Chanelle would probably prefer Ziggy not to be pawed by women on PA assignments. If as I believe that is par for the course on male PA assignments (I have not been to any so I have no personal experience) then I do not attribute blame on him.

WRT Zak's agent using the player tag - I don't like it and moreover it does not seem to be the image that Ziggy is trying to project. I have already suggested that it may be the case of 'off the shelf' promotion for men rather than taking the time to market him more appropriately. I have suggested earlier that it is up to him to vote with his feet if he is not happy.

You and others have persuaded me that Chanelle doing the Nuts style photos is a good way of her appealing to the male market and projecting herself forward as something other than just a BB housemate. Ziggy also has to look for ways of promoting himself and if PA's is the only way then so be it.

I would much rather see both of them back on TV though if you could organise that for me.

I find it difficult to read some of the posts at the moment here because it seems to me that people are posting about his behaviour at the PA's in a negative manner.

My take on it is if I go to a club for a PA and the person I am going to see is sullen or sulky, refuses to mingle, have pictures taken with or have a peck on the cheek etc., then I would feel cheated. Having spent my hard earned dosh to get in, buy a few rounds of drinks etc., I want to get my monies worth.

Whether we like it or not (and I have no problems myself - after all he goes home to Channelle) this is part of the job he needs to do to maximise his exposure and broaden his fan base.

I think Ziggy would be out of order to prefer Chanelle didn't so those shoots. He wasn't with her then and Chan can do what work she wants in terms of Photo shoots without seeking Zak's say so anyway, as long as she herself is comfortable with it. These PA pics are like pap pics of what Ziggy has been getting up to at clubs in these PR's, totally different thing.

no they are not, if he does not like her doing glamour shoots he has every right to say so, doesn't mean he has any right to tell her to stop, but if he doesn't like his girlfriend naked/half naked in photoshoots he has a right to his opinion, same as she has the right to say I don't like what goes on at your PA's, doesn't mean he has to stop, or change what goes on it is an opinion,

It is not what is discussed it is how it is discussed: dissing Chan in order to big up Zig, dissing FMs who offer differing opinions, as noted in recent posts.

no its not. Its his work just like hers is glamour.

Im sorry but some people are rubbing their hands in glee at this. Anything to discredit him and be against Chanelles choice of partner.
I am ashamed to be a Chanelle fan if this is how they behave with regards to a few pictures that are totally innocent. I am now chosing to use my ignore button for the first time ever.
What about the ones of her with Callum? or Lee? She was looking at Callum with those come to bed eyes IIR

Maybe you should toddle off to the CAT thread and discuss my appalling behaviour with all your pals hey.
Bye

Zak would have no right to dump Chan due to her decision to do Nuts shoots (not sleazy and involve no other men), but Chan would have every right to dump Zig as a result of Zak's sleazy photos in the papers. You can't equate the two things. Of course they are both allowed their opinions.

Anyone going to Leicester tonight?
Hope they get a snuggle from Zig
Oh I think Nicki is going isnt she?

Nuts not sleazy, that must be one of the funniest things I have read in a long time, it is a w*nk mag (apologies for my crudity) why would she dump him for doing his job, I see nothing sleazy in those photos,

the two are work, just different work,

Yes there is on ITV4 at 12:15am

You mean he has all his clothes on? Hes not having sex? Is he at least using tongues?
How many of these women left with him?

Here we go again dissing Chan to excuse Ziggy .

If you read my posts you will find that I actually think that Chan will understand the pics and will trust Ziggy, especially after the Irish interview. I just object to your manner of argument and using supposed Chan negatives to excuse supposed Zigg behaviour in argument, it's not needed .