I originally mentioned the Nuts photoshoot but I was not meaning it to diss Chan at all merely to show that there is a case for give and take on both sides. Respect for each other and going home together at the end of the day is what really matters.

Sometimes when things get heated people exaggerate things in order to make a point which is what I suspect has been happening here - on both sides.

Maybe we all need to take some of the chill pills which we were talking about earlier. I think they need to be taken with food - so I'm going to get my dinner now.

you spot one the poor lad cant do right for doing wrong

Having read your post that didnt appear to be your only concern - but you seem to have a real problem with Ziggy as mentioned in your introduction to the ZAT yesterday, and look at the trouble that little episode started. I think people with real deep down feelings of dislike for Ziggy shouldnt actually post of this thread because you are never going to change your minds about him, its always there just under the surface waiting to come out at every possible opportunity.

Having spent all the weeks of BB taking flak from all the nasty threads out there against Ziggy, I certainly dont want to start all over again and certainly not defending him on a Z&C AT.

Awwww, don't go, LENCH. You were the main player in my Damasculian conversion over Chanelle. It would be a shame for you to leave now. Especially over a disagreement like this. People should be free to post their opinions. After all, that's what this forum is for.

I said from an outside perspective I saw the DS pics as making him look sleazy. It was my opinion of how I thought he would be perceived by people who didn't know who he was and how people would see him who were reading the paper. I mentioned this in relation to how I feel his agent is portraying him.

What you have in bold is actually what some people are offended by tbh.
Chanelle is happy. Unfortunately shes with the wrong person in some peoples eyes. He cant do right for doing wrong sadly.

But Im dissing Chan
Im not a fan of hers
Im a bad, bad person

Thanks Taffy
I will be around. Ive a soppy scrapbook to finish

OMG - WHAT IS GOING ON HERE TODAY???

I'm sorry but I cannot believe what I am reading at the moment. Where did all this negativity/dissing actually come from? Yesterday we were all upbeat about his TV appearance and his wonderful comments about Chiggy and now this.

We all need to remember for Ziggy it is JUST A JOB and we need to get back to what we all do best APPRECIATE.

Sleaze is clearly in the eye of the beholder, and from behind my anti-sleaze-specs I see no sleaze from either of them (more from other people's actions/interpretations). I would rather not be judgemental about either of them - there was enough of that in the House. Another interpretation would be that the partners of many of the females pictured at these male PAs have strong grounds for 'divorce', and the 'PA' is a big secret contributor to the rising divorce rate - feasible but daft and not substantiated by the evidence available.


PS "Nuts shoots ([[]] involve no other men)..." ...only the ones in the readership/viewers (and the agent orchestrating it)...
...nevertheless from my perspective, not sleaze, as I choose not to see it like that.

well said ck. I have been reading these posts in utter amazement TBH. He was working. End of. Being paid thousands of pounds to be there, chat, cuddle, laugh all what he is expected to do. Chanelle knows the score. She has done them and probably been to some in Wakefield before ever meeting ziggy. What the hell is the problem here. They are a secure, happy couple in love, who unfortunately or fortunatley depends on how you see it, are choosing to have a media career along side their relationship, and making a heck of a lot of money to boot. The reason we havent seen these sort of photos on Chans PA is so blatantly obvious. She is a woman and men are not allowed to manhandle a woman, they would be in serious trouble. Girls get away with this sort of behaviour when they are doing it to men. Ziggy IMO hasnt done anything wrong and the photos are not sleazy, which on this thread shouldnt be a word banded around. This is a zig and chan thread where support should be apportioned to both of them equally. They both know the score and are happy with is, so why the hell arent we? Well I am, but not everyone obviously. He has been the most attentive boyfriend Chan could ever imagine to have bagged, and he has found a lovely, gorgoeus girlfriend, who appear to be very happy. That is all that we need to know.
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Don't you dare go anywhere. You just about own this thread.

I think I started this - I obviously touched a nerve somewhere On this thread you are not supposed to diss either (but I know you know that) and I don't think you have - I don't think I did - I certainly didn't mean to. I agree freedom of speech rules.

I suggest a glass of wine and a chill pill. I'm taking my chill pill with dinner so - see you back here after dinner / XFactor / Strictly dancing etc.

If there are no posts from you between now and then - I will track you down and make you post - you can run but you can't hide!

LOL!

You're one of her most loyal fans LENCH.

Glad to see that you're sticking around. Good on yer gal

hows the scrap book coming on-how many messages now?

let we know when u want me to send the quotes over-dont worry theres not loads!

awww dont go LENCHSAL i enjoy reading your posts

Don't you dare disappear. Of course your opinion matters. All our opinions matter, just give me time to catch up with the going on, but so far I can't see what you've done wrong.

TBH I cannot remember exactly what was said. I like to hear different opinions as long as they are broadly speaking appreciative of Chan and Ziggy.

I made a comment today - fairly innocent I thought and all hell broke loose. I really hadn't intended it the way it was taken it just happens sometimes. Like you I haven't been posting on forums for long and I think there is a way of doing it which I am still learning.

We can't expect everyone to like everything they do - and within reason these concerns should be voiced without fear of being slammed down. IMHO.

I will post but I will maybe be more selective over who I reply to.

pmsl at emmon holms & his wife on ant & dec saturday takeaway doing beat the boys

I know that you like Chanelle and Ziggy and are supportive of them. I just think that you may want to reassess the way you are constructing your arguments. In stressing your freedom to speech you do seem actually sometimes to be trying to restrict others their freedom to speak. I know this isn't intentional but just wanted to point it out. If I criticise Zak in any way I don't like the reaction of, oh well Chan is the same or she has done this or that etc. It is just taking the excuse to diss Chan. We all want to express our opinions freely while not making it seem that others views are not appreciated be they negative or positive on the subject concerned. And of course we need you on the Zack and Chan threads so don't go away.

Ive lost count tbh. Loads. Its going to be bigger than a scrapbook so I will probably get some sort of folder with plastic inserts to protect the messages and peoms.
There must be more quotes? come on guys.
What did they say that we remember. Whats your favourite guys. Come on.......

The why do you keep coming back in here if you don't agree with what is being posted in here? If you don't like it then stay in the thread where you prefer everything to be all dandy and rosy. I don't go over to the CAT thread anymore at all as I just don't feel comfortable over there and some posts are just out of order sometimes, so why can't you do the same?? Not being nasty or anything but just a question.

OI!!! get you right back here now!!! I'm not letting you go anywhere, you are one of the founders of this thread and I ain't letting you sneak off anywhere If you do I'll find ya!!


Honest to God I go off to make everyone a nice cup of tea and had loads of biccies for us and I've had 2 people leave me already

I'm not happy

This is getting beyond a joke now.

How many times did Ziggy threaten to leave the house?

i would love chanelle and ziggy to do beat the boys-think ive mentioned it before

that would make our saturday night

Don't you dare go anywhere Len!

hi just caught up after being out watching my OH play football. I think every 1 needs to calm down about those ziggy pictures, it's only work, it's not like he is having a passionate kiss with any of these girls. I'm sure chanelle isn't bothered by the attention he gets, if she is then i would suggest she finds a boyfriend out of the public eye. My boyfriend plays for a fairly small football club but still gets local girls throwing themselves at him when we go out.