zig&chan appreciation thread (Part 6)

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dubguy

11-11-2007

Originally Posted by c l a i r e:
“Or the cynic in me says that it was in her interests for her to be portrayed as the victim - so therefore if she says its all fine and is expecting him at her party he looks like the bad one again for not turning up and selling a story.

All stories can be looked at from both sides and as outsiders we will never really know what has happened.

I just hope they both draw a line under it now and move on with their respective lives.

which by the way I hope they both can pick up the pieces of this disaster and be happy and successful in their own rights. It takes two to make and two to break a relationship and its clear from various accounts that theirs has not been a healthy one so best course of action is for them both to move on and not drag it out through the press. Hopefully after this weeks mags they can get on with their lives and let the hurt start to heal.”

We can make anything out to be faked, and state rumours and reports as fact, and change a word here and there to make a point. I've done it myself on occasion, but I try to stick to the facts. It's difficult when old unsubstantiated rumours and reports and inaccuracies are continually stated as fact; better to say we don't know as there's never been any evidence, eg re. her harming herself.

savethecheerlea

11-11-2007

Originally Posted by lena19:
“trust me i wud tell u all if i bloody new wat it was!!!i just dont think it all adds up really!something fishy going on . i just believe it is so out of his character to do something like this. and i know ill get bashed for saying that because there is a hell of a lot anti-ziggy's at the mo!”

Thats the thing LENA its does seem out of character.

C_K_07

11-11-2007

Well if you get bashed for sayingthat then they'll have to bash me aswell. It's ok thouh we can go over to the other site to get away from it all, it's nice a peacful over there, I've been watcing videos to cheer myself up

savethecheerlea

11-11-2007

Originally Posted by c l a i r e:
“And what if the timeline is such that Chanelle sold hers first to New and the Daily Star and ziggy spoke to NOTW after.

would that make a difference ?”

probaly not.People would still find his worse.

Cathy S

11-11-2007

Originally Posted by nickymonger:
“From the fact he sold her down the river today. You don't do that to people you care about/love and not on their birthday :s Shed have to be pretty forgiving to be friends with him after this too!

Ziggy indecisive even in the interview..suggesting he couldn't drop the keys around as he couldn't trust himself. Is his flat renovated now then too? It has always been obvious Chanelle is head over heels in love with the guy :s”

I think he meant, in case it kicked off again as he knows what can happen and has heppened in the past, and yes maybe he could'nt trust himself, becuase I still believe he cares very deeply for Chanelle

Dia_rear

11-11-2007

One problem there she is not being portrayed as the victim she is being portrayed as the aggressor.

sarah78

11-11-2007

Originally Posted by C_K_07:
“That's my problem I don't know what it is It's just my gut telling me that not everythings what it seems.
There's just some stuff in that interview that doesn't add up, why print a wine bottle when Ziggy said on the video it was a Champagne bottle?? Why say they went to Dubai with 15 friends when we know they went alone for a shoot

When I read that interview this morning I laughed to be totally honest with you, then came on here and saw the videos and they annoyed me then as they have been very heavily edited and it's obvious that they edited them to set up Ziggy aswell

I'm not saying what he done was right as I don't think that at all, if anything I'm gutted and disappointed that he has done this, but I just have a feeling that all is not what it seems ”

I'm with you on this, i've had the same gut feeling since i saw the NOTW story and both Videos, it doesn't make sense and i have a strange gut feeling something isn't right.

c l a i r e

11-11-2007

Originally Posted by Dia_rear:
“One problem there she is not being portrayed as the victim she is being portrayed as the aggressor.”

She is very much the victim on here but.

Cathy S

11-11-2007

Originally Posted by Fortune Cookie:
“Zig give's love rats like Darren Day a bad name.”

Oh please, has anyone from his past actually come out and said that he cheated on them.

From what I remember it was said that he cheated on Suzzane Shaw, she to my knowledge never confirmed this

zitm

11-11-2007

Originally Posted by dubguy:
“To me, some of what he says is untrue; other parts may be true. But I feel he will regret doing this for a very long time. I expect that Chanelle will have things to say about Ziggy, not necessarily cheating allegations, but I have a feeling something pretty bad will come out, which we can believe or not depending on the evidence.”

Time will tell

lena19

11-11-2007

Originally Posted by Cathy S:
“I think he meant, in case it kicked off again as he knows what can happen and has heppened in the past, and yes maybe he could'nt trust himself, becuase I still believe he cares very deeply for Chanelle”

yes u see i always thought that he fell for her hook, line and sinker the minute he set eyes on her tbh. and i think he was just as much in love with her as she was with him.
I thought all along that he absolutely was besotted with her but cud not believe it was happening to him as he has never been with a girl like her and who is younger.

savethecheerlea

11-11-2007

Originally Posted by Dia_rear:
“One problem there she is not being portrayed as the victim she is being portrayed as the aggressor.”

But if all this turned out to be true.Surley ziggy is the victim?

zitm

11-11-2007

Originally Posted by c l a i r e:
“I have already admitted that I fall more onto Ziggys side of the fence than Chanelles but was a big fan of them both. I am honest enough to admit that Ziggy has a lot of faults and anyone who watched the series will be well aware of this. But so did Chanelle - and it does seem like many of chanelles fans now detest Ziggy after this and can only see the story from his side.

Sorry but watching the series during the summer it was clear that Chanelle has a lot of issues, and it would almost be impossible for her not to have given the life experineces that she has gone through. However she was at fault a lot of the time in the house as well as Ziggy and it wasn't all his fault despite what some would like you to believe.

I stand by the view that I am not completely biased and sorry but having witnessed both their behaviour in the house I don't think its beyond the realms of the plausible that their relationship could have went down the route that Ziggy claims.

Its a sorry state of affairs and I think what we shouldn't lose sight of is that these are real people that we are talking about and both of them must be hurting badly.”

Very well put IMO

nickymonger

11-11-2007

Originally Posted by c l a i r e:
“And what if the timeline is such that Chanelle sold hers first to New and the Daily Star and ziggy spoke to NOTW after.

would that make a difference ?”

She didn't. Evidence was in her putting up all the ziggy stuff, perky mood until Thursday evening. Further evidence in that she told us she did it to respond to Ziggys claims. Finally, the timeline all fits with Zigg doing his first. The simple fact is Ziggy started the slanging match.

daisybee

11-11-2007

Originally Posted by sarah78:
“I'm with you on this, i've had the same gut feeling since i saw the NOTW story and both Videos, it doesn't make sense and i have a strange gut feeling something isn't right.”

oh jeepers now 3 ppl who don't know how to explain it

gosh are heads are mad sometimes they must be working over time

JoJo4

11-11-2007

Originally Posted by Cathy S:
“Oh please, has anyone from his past actually come out and said that he cheated on them.

From what I remember it was said that he cheated on Suzzane Shaw, she to my knowledge never confirmed this”

She denied it in fact, on Loose Women several months ago!! She said that they were casual acquaintances, no more than that - I heard her say it with my own ears

zitm

11-11-2007

Originally Posted by daisybee:
“deffo i think people are already beleiveing what they wanna beleive lets wait for her stroy and then we can make opinions

well come on then spill the beans jeepers this is like a bloody chat show! what your opinion and whats your opinion

awwh stop fighting everyone , it isn't going to change anything”

Well done Daisybee that made me laugh...and boy did I need to

Cathy S

11-11-2007

Originally Posted by dubguy:
“I think that's clutching straws, but would any of us really still follow them if they'd done that? I couldn't.”

I can't see that happening, although I am sure a lot of romantics would love it (I suppose I could be classed as one of them), but I would like too think that if Chanelle's replies to what has been said, then it stops and there is no more mud slinging.

Maybe one day in the distant future, they may be able to talk to each other and try to be friends, as I did think they would have been great friends if all the other business had not got in the way

JoJo4

11-11-2007

Originally Posted by nickymonger:
“She didn't. Evidence was in her putting up all the ziggy stuff, perky mood until Thursday evening. Further evidence in that she told us she did it to respond to Ziggys claims. Finally, the timeline all fits with Zigg doing his first. The simple fact is Ziggy started the slanging match.”

You can't be sure that she wasn't indulging in some damage limtation though - she changed her Myspace for a very short time, in order that FMs would see it and take on board the message

She may already have spoken to the press at that point.

Dia_rear

11-11-2007

Originally Posted by LENCHSAL:
“As did Ziggy.
I couldnt give a flying fig whether this is true or not. I am livid, furious, disgusted, angry, etc etc that this pillock of a wimp has made money from this story.
If its true then she need help and support. Not a soul destroying, nasty, pile of shite in the press from someone who two weeks ago declared he loved her and couldnt see himself with anyone else ever.
That is my last words about that spineless waste of space.
Chanelle has my support. End of and I hope she wipes the floor with him.”

Here here Lench couldnt agree more.

zitm

11-11-2007

Originally Posted by Dia_rear:
“Amazingly i still remember, there was no argument in the street she was rubbing his hair, the restaurant was because he had lied and said he was staying at home, she explained the plaster as a burn from cooking, got any more.”

All said to protect Chan IMO

dubguy

11-11-2007

Originally Posted by c l a i r e:
“You keep hinting that something really bad is going to come out - I don't understand what you mean. Do you think ziggy has cheated or is it something different?”

Probably not cheating, but could be. I just think his actions point to something else, particularly if he's doing videos and (possibly) recording conversations, maybe to stop whatever it is coming out. Could just be he was afraid Chan would make him out to be the bottle-thrower, but I don't think so; if Chan said that actually, I wouldn't believe it.

lena19

11-11-2007

Originally Posted by savethecheerlea:
“Thats the thing LENA its does seem out of character.”

oh deffo i really do genuinly believe that this is so out of his character. thats why its all so baffling to me. and wen i watch the videos on the site it doesnt sound like his words its like he's concentrating trying to remember things he has learnt off. so wat i really want to know is WHY ZAC WHY? wat led him to do this if its true or not true.

zitm

11-11-2007

Originally Posted by chelleyross:
“ now come on if you loved someone you wouldint do this selling a story to notw”

Desperate situations often need desperate measures, sad as it may be

C_K_07

11-11-2007

Originally Posted by daisybee:
“oh jeepers now 3 ppl who don't know how to explain it gosh are heads are mad sometimes they must be working over time ”

Well I'm just glad that I'm notthe only one to nbe honest. If either of the other 2 can try to explain it then it will make my head a lot less confusing

Im off to get some dinner now

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