Sorry for the double post - didn't take it the first time
note to self -- patience !!
note to self -- patience !!
zig&chan appreciation thread (Part 7)
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Originally Posted by BEANSONTOAST:
“I.ll have to do it tomorrow.
cant keep my eyes open i didnt sleep last night.
Night anyone.
:yawn::sleep:”
“I.ll have to do it tomorrow.
cant keep my eyes open i didnt sleep last night.Night anyone.
:yawn::sleep:”
aww - night Beans I know it is late where you are
sweet dreams --
night everyone, hopefully this thread will get back to what its supposed to be about tomorrow appreciating ziggy and chanelle.
goodnight as well everyone- tomorrow the sun will
shine on a better day - and we can all start fresh.
and without the swords swinging (so to speak)
keep the faith all - Tuesdays coming !
shine on a better day - and we can all start fresh.
and without the swords swinging (so to speak)
keep the faith all - Tuesdays coming !
Originally Posted by BEANSONTOAST:
“Hi outsider.
I know what you mean by the accusiations,but just say they where exactly same comments zig used but chanelle used them instead,the way she is defended on here i think people would be saying things like she was forced to do it,or she had no choice,things like that.
Dont think its ever been equel support for them on here,think chan has always been more populer even in the good times.he was at a disadvantage as soon as he got out of the house and nothing has changed,And this is from someone who has always supported them both.”
“Hi outsider.
I know what you mean by the accusiations,but just say they where exactly same comments zig used but chanelle used them instead,the way she is defended on here i think people would be saying things like she was forced to do it,or she had no choice,things like that.
Dont think its ever been equel support for them on here,think chan has always been more populer even in the good times.he was at a disadvantage as soon as he got out of the house and nothing has changed,And this is from someone who has always supported them both.”
I can assure you 100% that if Chanelle had released a kiss and tell about Ziggy hitting her, I would have disapproved of the kiss and tell and questionned some of the content as I have with Ziggy. Because A) she still would have sold her story rather than gone to the police/got some help. I also would have had the same thoughts about some of the actions being out of character and would have questionned the content. I don't think it is right to assume that if fms have stuck up for Chanelle regarding the kiss and tell that they wouldn't have stuck up for Ziggy if the other way around. As I can assure you my opinion is irrespective of whether it is Ziggy/Chanelle...but based on my dislike of people doing kiss and tells.
Originally Posted by nickymonger:
“I can assure you 100% that if Chanelle had released a kiss and tell about Ziggy hitting her, I would have disapproved of the kiss and tell and questionned some of the content as I have with Ziggy. Because A) she still would have sold her story rather than gone to the police/got some help. I also would have had the same thoughts about some of the actions being out of character and would have questionned the content. I don't think it is right to assume that if fms have stuck up for Chanelle regarding the kiss and tell that they wouldn't have stuck up for Ziggy if the other way around. As I can assure you my opinion is irrespective of whether it is Ziggy/Chanelle...but based on my dislike of people doing kiss and tells.”
“I can assure you 100% that if Chanelle had released a kiss and tell about Ziggy hitting her, I would have disapproved of the kiss and tell and questionned some of the content as I have with Ziggy. Because A) she still would have sold her story rather than gone to the police/got some help. I also would have had the same thoughts about some of the actions being out of character and would have questionned the content. I don't think it is right to assume that if fms have stuck up for Chanelle regarding the kiss and tell that they wouldn't have stuck up for Ziggy if the other way around. As I can assure you my opinion is irrespective of whether it is Ziggy/Chanelle...but based on my dislike of people doing kiss and tells.”
I am sure you would , you have always maintained that the
kiss n tell story was wrong, I was just trying to say that it is
always easier to believe a women not a man. I to question much of the content and would have as well if the situation was reversed. I myself hate kiss n tell stories in papers, mags as well in real life situations. I am sorry if I offended with my comments .
Originally Posted by outsider2:
“I would like to think they are speaking , but in my own experience they may not be directly speaking to each other - they may be ignoring each other for now or working thru " trusted " middle men to try to gain a footing as to how the other is feeling - regrets perhaps,
anger, hurt - go thru the list --- I do however believe a
chat is necessary after a while -as they both need to reflect on what went wrong or even to see if behaviors have change in the mist of all of this. I for one what to see them publically ALONE for a while with no other halfs to speculate or confirm any of this behavior .”
“I would like to think they are speaking , but in my own experience they may not be directly speaking to each other - they may be ignoring each other for now or working thru " trusted " middle men to try to gain a footing as to how the other is feeling - regrets perhaps,
anger, hurt - go thru the list --- I do however believe a
chat is necessary after a while -as they both need to reflect on what went wrong or even to see if behaviors have change in the mist of all of this. I for one what to see them publically ALONE for a while with no other halfs to speculate or confirm any of this behavior .”
You say a chat is necessary, well I don't remember having a chat with someone who had dumped me, I think if they are still loving each other and want to get back together, it will have to be more than a chat, it will have to be some rules put down, if we have a row we keep it to ourselves ,and if we find the relationship is not working we than have a chat to end it ,not being told by text, and then put in a paper.
Originally Posted by nanray:
“You say a chat is necessary, well I don't remember having a chat with someone who had dumped me, I think if they are still loving each other and want to get back together, it will have to be more than a chat, it will have to be some rules put down, if we have a row we keep it to ourselves ,and if we find the relationship is not working we than have a chat to end it ,not being told by text, and then put in a paper.”
“You say a chat is necessary, well I don't remember having a chat with someone who had dumped me, I think if they are still loving each other and want to get back together, it will have to be more than a chat, it will have to be some rules put down, if we have a row we keep it to ourselves ,and if we find the relationship is not working we than have a chat to end it ,not being told by text, and then put in a paper.”
Yes, If they want to get back together there has to be firm rules set down ( any counselor would tell them that) there are rules for arguing as well ( we have had to use them many times in my house) I agree they need to keep them private - as well as the relationship until they build some trust in each other well away from anyone ! Breaking up by text , is new to me , in my day it was by phone or letter, in person.
Originally Posted by nanray:
“You say a chat is necessary, well I don't remember having a chat with someone who had dumped me, I think if they are still loving each other and want to get back together, it will have to be more than a chat, it will have to be some rules put down, if we have a row we keep it to ourselves ,and if we find the relationship is not working we than have a chat to end it ,not being told by text, and then put in a paper.”
“You say a chat is necessary, well I don't remember having a chat with someone who had dumped me, I think if they are still loving each other and want to get back together, it will have to be more than a chat, it will have to be some rules put down, if we have a row we keep it to ourselves ,and if we find the relationship is not working we than have a chat to end it ,not being told by text, and then put in a paper.”
Yes, If they want to get back together there has to be firm rules set down ( any counselor would tell them that) there are rules for arguing as well ( we have had to use them many times in my house) I agree they need to keep them private - as well as the relationship until they build some trust in each other well away from anyone ! Breaking up by text , is new to me , in my day it was by phone or letter, in person, or just plain never saw or heard from them again.
Originally Posted by nanray:
“You say a chat is necessary, well I don't remember having a chat with someone who had dumped me, I think if they are still loving each other and want to get back together, it will have to be more than a chat, it will have to be some rules put down, if we have a row we keep it to ourselves ,and if we find the relationship is not working we than have a chat to end it ,not being told by text, and then put in a paper.”
“You say a chat is necessary, well I don't remember having a chat with someone who had dumped me, I think if they are still loving each other and want to get back together, it will have to be more than a chat, it will have to be some rules put down, if we have a row we keep it to ourselves ,and if we find the relationship is not working we than have a chat to end it ,not being told by text, and then put in a paper.”
But Ziggy doesn't really like rules either - or Chan probably. How could she trust what he says, and that he's 100%, even if they wanted to give it another go. No, for me I'm afraid it's the end ... although I wouldn't rule out them bumping into each other somewhere, as they live close-by and might be in the same club or at the same event.
Night.
Originally Posted by dubguy:
“But Ziggy doesn't really like rules either - or Chan probably. How could she trust what he says, and that he's 100%, even if they wanted to give it another go. No, for me I'm afraid it's the end ... although I wouldn't rule out them bumping into each other somewhere, as they live close-by and might be in the same club or at the same event.
Night.”
“But Ziggy doesn't really like rules either - or Chan probably. How could she trust what he says, and that he's 100%, even if they wanted to give it another go. No, for me I'm afraid it's the end ... although I wouldn't rule out them bumping into each other somewhere, as they live close-by and might be in the same club or at the same event.
Night.”
Trust can be won , by both parties, they were thrown into an intense situation both in the house and outside. They never really had time to breathe - Ziggy more than anyone was thrust into a whirlwind before he could come up for air.
Ithas been done before by many couples who have put there differences aside , if they love each other , and it works, without going into specifics- My best friends brother was in an abuse situation with his wife of 6 mths , he walked away , she got help they got back together , learned to trust learned to not allowed the situation to get out of control --- he went back , 2 children and 20 yrs later they are still together and the problems of the past were put where they belonged - in the past. If any 2 people want
to make something work they try at it - it can work with a lot
of help ,sometimes one just has to walk away. Anything can
happen, with a lot of work, help, love and trust above all things it is the trust in each other that keeps a relationship
going IMVHO
night all --- again I know
Good morning everyone..
just reading back thru some posts and I am baffled as to why some people still think these guys will get back together...
I honestly don't believe that will ever happen.
Why would Chanelle go back with someone who sold a story on her - she would never trust him again
Why would Ziggy go back with somoene he claims to have been unhappy with for two months..
I am sure most of us will start posting on the sperate appreciation threads.
If u want to post on the C&Z thread then it will have to be as two separate people and not Chiggy.
I think everyone has to start getting used to that now..
That's it really rant over and a big welcome back to the CAT thread...
just reading back thru some posts and I am baffled as to why some people still think these guys will get back together...
I honestly don't believe that will ever happen.
Why would Chanelle go back with someone who sold a story on her - she would never trust him again
Why would Ziggy go back with somoene he claims to have been unhappy with for two months..
I am sure most of us will start posting on the sperate appreciation threads.
If u want to post on the C&Z thread then it will have to be as two separate people and not Chiggy.
I think everyone has to start getting used to that now..
That's it really rant over and a big welcome back to the CAT thread...
Originally Posted by jasnic:
“Good morning everyone..
just reading back thru some posts and I am baffled as to why some people still think these guys will get back together...
I honestly don't believe that will ever happen.
Why would Chanelle go back with someone who sold a story on her - she would never trust him again
Why would Ziggy go back with somoene he claims to have been unhappy with for two months..
I am sure most of us will start posting on the sperate appreciation threads.
If u want to post on the C&Z thread then it will have to be as two separate people and not Chiggy.
I think everyone has to start getting used to that now..
That's it really rant over and a big welcome back to the CAT thread...”
“Good morning everyone..
just reading back thru some posts and I am baffled as to why some people still think these guys will get back together...
I honestly don't believe that will ever happen.
Why would Chanelle go back with someone who sold a story on her - she would never trust him again
Why would Ziggy go back with somoene he claims to have been unhappy with for two months..
I am sure most of us will start posting on the sperate appreciation threads.
If u want to post on the C&Z thread then it will have to be as two separate people and not Chiggy.
I think everyone has to start getting used to that now..
That's it really rant over and a big welcome back to the CAT thread...”
The only thing I can see them doing together is perhaps going to a relationship counciler as both need to risolve issues they had with each other to move on with their lives.
Morning everyone, Nice to see the calmness decended in the early hours of this morning. Off to do some psychmedding this morning, be back later. Look out for lots of nice pics and stories about both Ziggy and Chanelle. Keep it real. Plenty of ommmmmm's. I really hope this thread is still open when I come back later?!?
Beans - I will deal with you later - ha ha.
Beans - I will deal with you later - ha ha.
Originally Posted by jasnic:
“Good morning everyone..
just reading back thru some posts and I am baffled as to why some people still think these guys will get back together...
I honestly don't believe that will ever happen.
Why would Chanelle go back with someone who sold a story on her - she would never trust him again
Why would Ziggy go back with somoene he claims to have been unhappy with for two months..
I am sure most of us will start posting on the sperate appreciation threads.
If u want to post on the C&Z thread then it will have to be as two separate people and not Chiggy.
I think everyone has to start getting used to that now..
That's it really rant over and a big welcome back to the CAT thread...”
“Good morning everyone..
just reading back thru some posts and I am baffled as to why some people still think these guys will get back together...
I honestly don't believe that will ever happen.
Why would Chanelle go back with someone who sold a story on her - she would never trust him again
Why would Ziggy go back with somoene he claims to have been unhappy with for two months..
I am sure most of us will start posting on the sperate appreciation threads.
If u want to post on the C&Z thread then it will have to be as two separate people and not Chiggy.
I think everyone has to start getting used to that now..
That's it really rant over and a big welcome back to the CAT thread...”
The CAT is not back yet.
Also see this message from the mods:
http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/forums/s...4&postcount=27
I don't often post on this thread (not being a Ziggy appreciator) but I feel like I have to reply to this.
I'm sorry but I get really fed up with hearing how Chanelle's support is over the top. Since Ziggy gave his NOTW article I have heard the following excuses for his behaviour
- the interview was a pre-emptive attack on Chanelle because she had already given an equally vitriolic interview that was due to be pubished in the following week. This was actually the most popular excuse until it turned out to be bollocks. Since then I've heard it said that Chanelle's PR fed Ziggy's PR the lie that Chanelle was going to launch an attack, forcing Ziggy to do the interview and making him look bad!
- Ziggy was trying to help Chanelle by encouraging her to seek councilling for her problems.
- He had no choice, he didn't want to do the interview, it was all his PR people's idea.
Never is any evidence presented for the above excuses
I've also been told that if I do not believe Ziggy then it must be because I don't take domestic violence seriously and that people like me are the reason victims of abuse don't come forward about their plight.
I have alos been told, several times, that all the accusations must be true and there must be evidence supporting Ziggy because the NOTW would never print such allegations without evidence. This is now almost accepted without question by many and the existence of this evidence is taken as a given, despite there being no proof of it's existence other than the veracity of the News of the World.
Of course, it's nothing new that people will talk tosh to defend their fav HM, but what I find really annoying is that the same people who come out with the above will then post about how obsessive Chanelle fans are and how they can justify anything
Originally Posted by BEANSONTOAST:
“Hi outsider.
I know what you mean by the accusiations,but just say they where exactly same comments zig used but chanelle used them instead,the way she is defended on here i think people would be saying things like she was forced to do it,or she had no choice,things like that.
Dont think its ever been equel support for them on here,think chan has always been more populer even in the good times.he was at a disadvantage as soon as he got out of the house and nothing has changed,And this is from someone who has always supported them both.”
“Hi outsider.
I know what you mean by the accusiations,but just say they where exactly same comments zig used but chanelle used them instead,the way she is defended on here i think people would be saying things like she was forced to do it,or she had no choice,things like that.
Dont think its ever been equel support for them on here,think chan has always been more populer even in the good times.he was at a disadvantage as soon as he got out of the house and nothing has changed,And this is from someone who has always supported them both.”
I'm sorry but I get really fed up with hearing how Chanelle's support is over the top. Since Ziggy gave his NOTW article I have heard the following excuses for his behaviour
- the interview was a pre-emptive attack on Chanelle because she had already given an equally vitriolic interview that was due to be pubished in the following week. This was actually the most popular excuse until it turned out to be bollocks. Since then I've heard it said that Chanelle's PR fed Ziggy's PR the lie that Chanelle was going to launch an attack, forcing Ziggy to do the interview and making him look bad!
- Ziggy was trying to help Chanelle by encouraging her to seek councilling for her problems.
- He had no choice, he didn't want to do the interview, it was all his PR people's idea.
Never is any evidence presented for the above excuses
I've also been told that if I do not believe Ziggy then it must be because I don't take domestic violence seriously and that people like me are the reason victims of abuse don't come forward about their plight.
I have alos been told, several times, that all the accusations must be true and there must be evidence supporting Ziggy because the NOTW would never print such allegations without evidence. This is now almost accepted without question by many and the existence of this evidence is taken as a given, despite there being no proof of it's existence other than the veracity of the News of the World.
Of course, it's nothing new that people will talk tosh to defend their fav HM, but what I find really annoying is that the same people who come out with the above will then post about how obsessive Chanelle fans are and how they can justify anything
Originally Posted by Remaha:
“The CAT is not back yet.
Also see this message from the mods:
http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/forums/s...4&postcount=27”
“The CAT is not back yet.
Also see this message from the mods:
http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/forums/s...4&postcount=27”
They said it would be back today. So I'm sure it will be
Just watched Darron L on Lorraine Kelly- showing the weekends pap pics, no mention of Z or C. He looks worse everytime I see him!
I hear the Liam beat Rebecca L but was voted of from the Circus- did anyone watch was Ziggy/ twins or Brian watching this week?
I hear the Liam beat Rebecca L but was voted of from the Circus- did anyone watch was Ziggy/ twins or Brian watching this week?
Originally Posted by toasties:
“I don't often post on this thread (not being a Ziggy appreciator) but I feel like I have to reply to this.
I'm sorry but I get really fed up with hearing how Chanelle's support is over the top. Since Ziggy gave his NOTW article I have heard the following excuses for his behaviour
- the interview was a pre-emptive attack on Chanelle because she had already given an equally vitriolic interview that was due to be pubished in the following week. This was actually the most popular excuse until it turned out to be bollocks. Since then I've heard it said that Chanelle's PR fed Ziggy's PR the lie that Chanelle was going to launch an attack, forcing Ziggy to do the interview and making him look bad!
- Ziggy was trying to help Chanelle by encouraging her to seek councilling for her problems.
- He had no choice, he didn't want to do the interview, it was all his PR people's idea.
Never is any evidence presented for the above excuses
I've also been told that if I do not believe Ziggy then it must be because I don't take domestic violence seriously and that people like me are the reason victims of abuse don't come forward about their plight.
I have alos been told, several times, that all the accusations must be true and there must be evidence supporting Ziggy because the NOTW would never print such allegations without evidence. This is now almost accepted without question by many and the existence of this evidence is taken as a given, despite there being no proof of it's existence other than the veracity of the News of the World.
Of course, it's nothing new that people will talk tosh to defend their fav HM, but what I find really annoying is that the same people who come out with the above will then post about how obsessive Chanelle fans are and how they can justify anything”
“I don't often post on this thread (not being a Ziggy appreciator) but I feel like I have to reply to this.
I'm sorry but I get really fed up with hearing how Chanelle's support is over the top. Since Ziggy gave his NOTW article I have heard the following excuses for his behaviour
- the interview was a pre-emptive attack on Chanelle because she had already given an equally vitriolic interview that was due to be pubished in the following week. This was actually the most popular excuse until it turned out to be bollocks. Since then I've heard it said that Chanelle's PR fed Ziggy's PR the lie that Chanelle was going to launch an attack, forcing Ziggy to do the interview and making him look bad!
- Ziggy was trying to help Chanelle by encouraging her to seek councilling for her problems.
- He had no choice, he didn't want to do the interview, it was all his PR people's idea.
Never is any evidence presented for the above excuses
I've also been told that if I do not believe Ziggy then it must be because I don't take domestic violence seriously and that people like me are the reason victims of abuse don't come forward about their plight.
I have alos been told, several times, that all the accusations must be true and there must be evidence supporting Ziggy because the NOTW would never print such allegations without evidence. This is now almost accepted without question by many and the existence of this evidence is taken as a given, despite there being no proof of it's existence other than the veracity of the News of the World.
Of course, it's nothing new that people will talk tosh to defend their fav HM, but what I find really annoying is that the same people who come out with the above will then post about how obsessive Chanelle fans are and how they can justify anything”
great post. thankyou. 100% agree with you.
Originally Posted by toasties:
“I don't often post on this thread (not being a Ziggy appreciator) but I feel like I have to reply to this.
I'm sorry but I get really fed up with hearing how Chanelle's support is over the top. Since Ziggy gave his NOTW article I have heard the following excuses for his behaviour
- the interview was a pre-emptive attack on Chanelle because she had already given an equally vitriolic interview that was due to be pubished in the following week. This was actually the most popular excuse until it turned out to be bollocks. Since then I've heard it said that Chanelle's PR fed Ziggy's PR the lie that Chanelle was going to launch an attack, forcing Ziggy to do the interview and making him look bad!
- Ziggy was trying to help Chanelle by encouraging her to seek councilling for her problems.
- He had no choice, he didn't want to do the interview, it was all his PR people's idea.
Never is any evidence presented for the above excuses
I've also been told that if I do not believe Ziggy then it must be because I don't take domestic violence seriously and that people like me are the reason victims of abuse don't come forward about their plight.
I have alos been told, several times, that all the accusations must be true and there must be evidence supporting Ziggy because the NOTW would never print such allegations without evidence. This is now almost accepted without question by many and the existence of this evidence is taken as a given, despite there being no proof of it's existence other than the veracity of the News of the World.
Of course, it's nothing new that people will talk tosh to defend their fav HM, but what I find really annoying is that the same people who come out with the above will then post about how obsessive Chanelle fans are and how they can justify anything”
“I don't often post on this thread (not being a Ziggy appreciator) but I feel like I have to reply to this.
I'm sorry but I get really fed up with hearing how Chanelle's support is over the top. Since Ziggy gave his NOTW article I have heard the following excuses for his behaviour
- the interview was a pre-emptive attack on Chanelle because she had already given an equally vitriolic interview that was due to be pubished in the following week. This was actually the most popular excuse until it turned out to be bollocks. Since then I've heard it said that Chanelle's PR fed Ziggy's PR the lie that Chanelle was going to launch an attack, forcing Ziggy to do the interview and making him look bad!
- Ziggy was trying to help Chanelle by encouraging her to seek councilling for her problems.
- He had no choice, he didn't want to do the interview, it was all his PR people's idea.
Never is any evidence presented for the above excuses
I've also been told that if I do not believe Ziggy then it must be because I don't take domestic violence seriously and that people like me are the reason victims of abuse don't come forward about their plight.
I have alos been told, several times, that all the accusations must be true and there must be evidence supporting Ziggy because the NOTW would never print such allegations without evidence. This is now almost accepted without question by many and the existence of this evidence is taken as a given, despite there being no proof of it's existence other than the veracity of the News of the World.
Of course, it's nothing new that people will talk tosh to defend their fav HM, but what I find really annoying is that the same people who come out with the above will then post about how obsessive Chanelle fans are and how they can justify anything”
Great post Toasties - completely agree with you
Originally Posted by avon942:
“http://www.dailystar.co.uk/bigbrothe...ight-turn-off/
soryy if posted already”
“http://www.dailystar.co.uk/bigbrothe...ight-turn-off/
soryy if posted already”
It has already been posted.
Originally Posted by millsyb:
“Just watched Darron L on Lorraine Kelly- showing the weekends pap pics, no mention of Z or C. He looks worse everytime I see him!
I hear the Liam beat Rebecca L but was voted of from the Circus- did anyone watch was Ziggy/ twins or Brian watching this week?”
“Just watched Darron L on Lorraine Kelly- showing the weekends pap pics, no mention of Z or C. He looks worse everytime I see him!
I hear the Liam beat Rebecca L but was voted of from the Circus- did anyone watch was Ziggy/ twins or Brian watching this week?”
Sorry no one from the house there.Just his farther.and brother.
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