zig&chan appreciation thread (Part 7)

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millsyb

19-11-2007

Originally Posted by toasties:
“I don't often post on this thread (not being a Ziggy appreciator) but I feel like I have to reply to this.

I'm sorry but I get really fed up with hearing how Chanelle's support is over the top. Since Ziggy gave his NOTW article I have heard the following excuses for his behaviour
- the interview was a pre-emptive attack on Chanelle because she had already given an equally vitriolic interview that was due to be pubished in the following week. This was actually the most popular excuse until it turned out to be bollocks. Since then I've heard it said that Chanelle's PR fed Ziggy's PR the lie that Chanelle was going to launch an attack, forcing Ziggy to do the interview and making him look bad!
- Ziggy was trying to help Chanelle by encouraging her to seek councilling for her problems.
- He had no choice, he didn't want to do the interview, it was all his PR people's idea.

Never is any evidence presented for the above excuses

I've also been told that if I do not believe Ziggy then it must be because I don't take domestic violence seriously and that people like me are the reason victims of abuse don't come forward about their plight.

I have alos been told, several times, that all the accusations must be true and there must be evidence supporting Ziggy because the NOTW would never print such allegations without evidence. This is now almost accepted without question by many and the existence of this evidence is taken as a given, despite there being no proof of it's existence other than the veracity of the News of the World.

Of course, it's nothing new that people will talk tosh to defend their fav HM, but what I find really annoying is that the same people who come out with the above will then post about how obsessive Chanelle fans are and how they can justify anything”

deffo agree with you

cathy.h

19-11-2007

Chanelle will be in The Star Mag tomorrow with an Exclusive interview putting her view across to what Ziggy said in the NOTW.

jasnic

19-11-2007

Originally Posted by cathy.h:
“ Chanelle will be in The Star Mag tomorrow with an Exclusive interview putting her view across to what Ziggy said in the NOTW.”

Cathy - thanks for telling us that ..
I really hope some one scans this and PM'S it to me as I am not sure I am gonna still be here tomorrow and I will be gutted to miss out on this read...

cathy.h

19-11-2007

Originally Posted by jasnic:
“Cathy - thanks for telling us that ..
I really hope some one scans this and PM'S it to me as I am not sure I am gonna still be here tomorrow and I will be gutted to miss out on this read...”

I am sure somone will if they dont i will write it up for you as i dont know how to scan, sorry not that clever.

nickymonger

19-11-2007

Originally Posted by cathy.h:
“ Chanelle will be in The Star Mag tomorrow with an Exclusive interview putting her view across to what Ziggy said in the NOTW.”

Am actually a little worried about this interview. The Star mag have never been complimentary about Chiggy and she seems really angry last couple of days. Hope that it isn't a harsh interview on par with NOTW

Wish theyd talk to each other rather than fans and the media

nickymonger

19-11-2007

Is the photoshoot as her as a sexy secretary the one in the Star or is she in another magazine as well? Is Ziggy in any more mags as well tomorrow?

cathy.h

19-11-2007

Originally Posted by nickymonger:
“Am actually a little worried about this interview. The Star mag have never been complimentary about Chiggy and she seems really angry last couple of days. Hope that it isn't a harsh interview on par with NOTW Wish theyd talk to each other rather than fans and the media ”

If you mean me being a fan of Chanelle and Ziggy, i have never spoken to Chanelle.

nickymonger

19-11-2007

Originally Posted by cathy.h:
“ If you mean me being a fan of Chanelle and Ziggy, i have never spoken to Chanelle.”

So, sorry, was referring to myspace, mags and newspapers.

jasnic

19-11-2007

I'm not sure that she really had a choice..
Some of the statements Z said could be seriously damaging for her and she prob feels the needs to defend herself to her fans.
Let's wait until tomorrow and see what she says first..
I am sure it will be the last of their interviews about
each-other...
I am more confident then ever that these two are most def over and if they have had any communication via phone or text it has not gone well..

bblover

19-11-2007

Originally Posted by nickymonger:
“I think that we should all keep the discussions regarding the articles out of the threads because we all have very strong opinions on this. Myself - I will never support any kiss and tell, whether it be from Ziggy, chanelle or anyone else. We have all had relationships that have ended and I'm sure many of us have been in difficult situations. Is our only way a newspaper because I'm sure we haven't remained in unhappy relationships as we have felt the only way out was a kiss and tell. Ziggy could have ended it as he did and then told her he wished no more contact for a while and changed his phone number. He told her to ring him back. If he also felt he wasn't strong enough to face her and end it, then he could have taken a friend for mutual support or questionned why he wanted to finish if he felt talking to her would have him back in her bed. I'm sorry but we all manage to end our relationships without involving the press and it is a weak argument to suggest that Ziggy could not.

In addition, he could have potentially damaged Chanelles reputation in the media and forced negative publicity on her show, upset her on her birthday etc... after knowing about the abortion and the ruined birthday the year before. Ziggy is known for his rash decisions and not thinking things clearly through,listening too much to other people so I can forgive him for him doing this without thinking the consequences through. But Chanelle has done nothing but big Ziggy up in the press since he left the house, which has helped increase his popularity and opened avenues to him that may not have been there previously. He could have perhaps remembered that before selling his story to the newspaper.

But from pics I am seeing, it ties in with the Ziggy I saw in the house and him not being out on the town all week, with no papped women, I believe he does realise that the method he took was perhaps not the right one and may be remorseful. I have never hated Ziggy as I feel he is someone whohas a habit of mucking up without intending to, often by his desire to please everybody and not placing his faith often in the right people. He admits himself he is crap at relationships. And if Chanelle does have these issues, then hopefully she is getting help, which Ziggy even suggested she was via his NOTW interview. Unfortunately, Ziggys paranoia and Chanelles insecurities and jealousy are not a good mix in a relationship. Spending time apart and being individuals could help make them realise their true worth and develop their careers.

The sayings that the grass isn't always greener and you don't know what you've got until its gone could come into play here. They have been pushed by their management into this Chiggy personna and neither perhaps allowed to develop their own identity as fully as theyd both liked. So time apart could do them the world of good. I just hope that no media war occurs and they remember the special connection they shared and can one day become friends.”

stand up ovation,

if just the ziggy fans can understand what he did wasn't a good thing to do without giving all sort of exuses and blaming chanelle for everything

we only know them from the bb house and not personaly so it'll be good if the coments won't get extremly personal so no one will get offended or angry,we can all stay true&support the one we like without getting nasty,

then no other thread will be closed,i've supported chanelle from the bigining more than ziggy and i was pissed off after what he done i did post some anti zig postsbut cause i couldn't believe that some were laying all the blame on chanelle,but now i'm going to keep my negative thoughts to myself(i hope everyone will) it take two to tango,

so if you're a ziggy fan only i suggest to post on the zat
if you a chanelle fan only i suggest to post on the cat
if you're a fan of both then you can post on this thread z&cat

peace everybody

i hope this week it will be a nice one without all the fight

jasnic

19-11-2007

Guys do we think or know if Z will be telling more in the mags tomorrow as well .. Has anyone heard anything ?

juliadesigns

19-11-2007

Originally Posted by 872fisher:
“Just popped in to say goodnight, ( quick exit before someone starts throwing bottles)

Night everyone.”

Get yourself back in here fisher, now....

We need your sense of humour desperately....

and I wont let them throw any bottles at you hun!!

juliadesigns

19-11-2007

Originally Posted by BEANSONTOAST:
“Hi outsider.
I know what you mean by the accusiations,but just say they where exactly same comments zig used but chanelle used them instead,the way she is defended on here i think people would be saying things like she was forced to do it,or she had no choice,things like that.
Dont think its ever been equel support for them on here,think chan has always been more populer even in the good times.he was at a disadvantage as soon as he got out of the house and nothing has changed,And this is from someone who has always supported them both.”

I think Ziggy's card was marked by many people the day Chan walked out of the house and they will never forgive him, ever.

They have just been waiting for him to step out of line again and then pounce....

I rest my case....

juliadesigns

19-11-2007

Originally Posted by nickymonger:
“I can assure you 100% that if Chanelle had released a kiss and tell about Ziggy hitting her, I would have disapproved of the kiss and tell and questionned some of the content as I have with Ziggy. Because A) she still would have sold her story rather than gone to the police/got some help. I also would have had the same thoughts about some of the actions being out of character and would have questionned the content. I don't think it is right to assume that if fms have stuck up for Chanelle regarding the kiss and tell that they wouldn't have stuck up for Ziggy if the other way around. As I can assure you my opinion is irrespective of whether it is Ziggy/Chanelle...but based on my dislike of people doing kiss and tells.”

We have to accept the fact nicky, that not many Chanelle fans feel this way. That is the root of the problem in this thread at the moment.

nickymonger

19-11-2007

Ok guys...I have just reread NOTW and it doesn't say in the article that he has "evidence". It says he recorded the interview on tape (ie. NOTW) as he thought she was compiling fake evidence.

It also says that Chanelle dumped him on the make-up day of Tuesday after a fight. But they made up Monday and he dumped her Thursday, with no fight or Chanelle wouldn't have been so surprised to be dumped. So confused now. I hadn't reread the article as it had upset me the first time. Can anyone shed some light on this?

juliadesigns

19-11-2007

Originally Posted by toasties:
“ snipped.....
Of course, it's nothing new that people will talk tosh to defend their fav HM, but what I find really annoying is that the same people who come out with the above will then post about how obsessive Chanelle fans are and how they can justify anything”

Exacty the same can be said in reverse, toasties.
Some Chanelle fans ARE obsessive as are some Ziggy fans.
It is the way of the world and denying it is happening wont make it go away.

Two wrongs dont make a right. They never did.

Edit:

Interesting that several Chanelle fans applauded and agreed with your post.
Just makes my point really.
Is there any point to this thread anymore?

I doubt it.

Last edited by juliadesigns : 19-11-2007 at 11:48

banana1

19-11-2007

Originally Posted by nickymonger:
“Ok guys...I have just reread NOTW and it doesn't say in the article that he has "evidence". It says he recorded the interview on tape (ie. NOTW) as he thought she was compiling fake evidence.

It also says that Chanelle dumped him on the make-up day of Tuesday after a fight. But they made up Monday and he dumped her Thursday, with no fight or Chanelle wouldn't have been so surprised to be dumped. So confused now. I hadn't reread the article as it had upset me the first time. Can anyone shed some light on this?”

Hi Nicky,

Im confused now

, what is it your trying to work out?

lue

19-11-2007

trouble was, i was never able to post on the chan thread ,the vitriol was so awful against ziggy, that i couldnt be part of it and that was before the kiss and tell.
the zig thread was so pro ziggy ,mostly because of his looks ,i have to say .he is handsome but that doesnt make him a gentleman or someone who doesnt stuff up,so i couldn' t post there .the kiss and tell was awful.
ive appreciated them both ,i know they have their faults and i hope that things will become clearer over the nex few days. i want to appreciate them both but im on dicey ground ,because everything has turned out so badly and in no way did i expect any of this to happen.i still find it all exremely shocking , sad and unbelievable.

juliadesigns

19-11-2007

morning Nicky

I think I'm the only one here atm and am about to go off and do some work before I implode..lol

I cant bear to read any more now, I dont think.
I am just sick to death of the whole mess.

I expect it will be like Armageddon again on here tomorrow after Chanelle's interview and I'm not sure I can face it, tbh.

I feel I have aged 10 years in this last week already!

ccm

19-11-2007

Originally Posted by jasnic:
“Guys do we think or know if Z will be telling more in the mags tomorrow as well .. Has anyone heard anything ? ”

I don't think Z will be giving an interview but if Chanelle has gone too far in her interview with Star magazine Z will know and I am sure that some of his friends and perhaps his brother would have been more than happy to go to Heat as they may have been a witness to some of his allegations against Chanelle.

juliadesigns

19-11-2007

Originally Posted by lue:
“trouble was, i was never able to post on the chan thread ,the vitriol was so awful against ziggy, that i couldnt be part of it and that was before the kiss and tell.
the zig thread was so pro ziggy ,mostly because of his looks ,i have to say .he is handsome but that doesnt make him a gentleman or someone who doesnt stuff up,so i couldn' t post there .the kiss and tell was awful.
ive appreciated them both ,i know they have their faults and i hope that things will become clearer over the nex few days. i want to appreciate them both but im on dicey ground ,because everything has turned out so badly and in no way did i expect any of this to happen.i still find it all exremely shocking , sad and unbelievable.”

Morning Lue

Now this post I can agree with!!

jasnic

19-11-2007

Originally Posted by ccm:
“I don't think Z will be giving an interview but if Chanelle has gone too far in her interview with Star magazine Z will know and I am sure that some of his friends and perhaps his brother would have been more than happy to go to Heat as they may have been a witness to some of his allegations against Chanelle.”

You're jumping the gun a bit there.. Let's see what she says first

juliadesigns

19-11-2007

and so Armageddon continues for a further enjoyable week....

I could probably stick pins in myself and have more fun than I am doing on here at the moment...time for coffee I think

lue

19-11-2007

Originally Posted by juliadesigns:
“Morning Lue
Now this post I can agree with!!”

morning julia and everyone ,getting my prozac ,tissues and yoga technique in position for tomorrows revelations ,hope its not too upsetting.

ccm

19-11-2007

Originally Posted by jasnic:
“You're jumping the gun a bit there.. Let's see what she says first ”

That is my gut feeling as Star magazine do seem to always have an agenda, and Heat will want to do a follow up story if sales increased last week.

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