Yea, the REALLY believe we are that stupid.........now thats even more worrying...

Thank you


Please don't present your misheard recollections as fact. Len was asked if in the past if some decisions were "no brainers" and he agreed and then said that some were difficult. No mention was made about the last dance off in conjunction with this.


How much intelligence do you have to actually insult? Can you please tell me what crap you think they have come out with?I look forward to your answer.


Anyway I'm so glad that some people are soooooorilliant that they know exactly what a judge does. If those people would like to let me know what you do then I will happily pull your own occupations apart (ie Coal Miner? All you do is go down a hole and pull out some rocks. Not exactly difficult is it? So you cry about geting a bit dirty etc etc)

Take it nobody here has been a central part of a live television series? Thought not.

Quizmike, it wasn't what the judges said on ITT last night that was so hilarious, it was the fact that it was so obvious the producers were trying to do damage limitation. At any other time it would have been quite interesting.

Hi PG

I was pointing out to the poster that they were wrong to say that Len said that tonight.

Sometimes the truth goes astray in the middle of a hoohah.

I guess a hastily put-together puff-piece for the poor hard-done-by judges was their idea of a response
to JS's delicious verbal put-down on Saturday, but as such it was pretty feeble and just ended up
making them look a bit desperate.

But on the show the judges saying how difficult a decision
to make over the dance off.
It's all bullshine.

So would I - money for old rope - they must be laughing all the way to the bank and the bank must be really grateful in this economic climate.

The judges should have some compassion for their BBC employers, now burdened with the decision to evict either Craig or Arlene in a dance-off, or to evict all 4 of them.

Did not appear so to me, perhaps I am being too objective though.


So there are instances where verbal put-downs are acceptable?

I thought that too and Bruno manages it without becoming such a grump.

I think they were just raising two fingers in the direction of those who take a frothy piece of TV light entertainment so preposterously seriously that they are driven to tedious 'po-faced' ranting and / or making complaints and / or calling for people to lose their jobs. Childish retaliation perhaps but quite amusing.

I believe they were ripping it out of those people who, when presented with pantomime characters, can't understand that when you 'boo' and 'hiss' at them it's supposed to be a bit of a laugh. So they subvert the illusion and emphasise the gullibility and prick the pompousness in a deliberately heavy-handed, patronising way by presenting an alternative, opposing and excessively sympathetic 'reality'.

Maybe it was subtler than I thought at the time.

Think all those $$$$$ help too...good old Len !

The beeb should ask us the public if we want FOUR new judges ? They'd get more voting for that than they did for John !!

As for a hard life....well thinking up those "great" put-downs really does take some doing I do hope they get shot of old Botox Arelene !!

Personally, I really don’t the Judges job is all that difficult and they are very well paid. I know they get a bit of flak but I feel they have courted the media’s attention and brought this upon themselves. If this piece on ITT was trying to paint them in a more positive light, then for me it failed…..badly!

If I got paid that much for the job they do then I certainly wouldn't complain.

I really hope that this slot means that the producers of this show realise that they were taking it in the wrong direction. The undertones were getting too much like X-Factor with the pathetic arguments between judges & downright nasty personal comments from the judges. OK - the judges said the stuff but the producers were clearly happy about it. Also the VT's this year showing the competitive nature of 'some' of the contestants hasn't helped the show. All the stuff about Tom/Austin didn't play well - it is only an entertainment show for god sake.

It would be great if this show can get back to its roots. Light hearted fun based around dance. Judges criticise the dancing but nothing else. Contestants having fun learning to dance.

Let X-Factor do all the competitive stuff / nasty fall-outs between judges. I see a contestant in USA has committed suicide after being ridiculed by the judges on American Idol. I do fear something similar could happen here & then the press will turn big time.

It was very funny....why o why do they HAVE to talk by phone to Len...poor old Len as they tried to make us believe.

Poor well paid judges they love the power.

Mmmmm do we all love the judges now? This viewer says NO....especially Len.....who has really got away with the knicker comment.

Note to Aunty:

Idea for new reality gameshow - "So you wanna be a Strictly Judge?!"

Get a bunch of wannabees (enough kicking around here to be going on with probably) and put them through a bunch of humiliating rounds each followed by a public vote. Last one standing (and still sane) gets to be a strictly judge.

I do have to say that Steve Guttenberg had a good response to the questions asked him about his experience on Dancing with the Stars. Asked if it was hard - he said "no coal mining is a hard job - this was fun" and if the judges comments upset him he seemed to understand that it was part fair critism part in the spirit of coming out with soundbites for entertainment value. Being a judge is not hard work on Strictly but then the celebs shouldn't be so precious about critism either - in fairness JS never was it was it was his fans who got annoyed and used words like bullying.

Yes he was the highlight of a dreadful show.

Wow there is really no call for that. Apologies for keeping you waiting for my answer. Anyway, how ironic would it be if I was a Coal Miner, I'm not however even more ironic than that I do work in post production so I know how programmes are put together , but what I do isn't relevant. The point I was making, and I'm sorry if I wasn't clear was that the piece on ITT about what a difficult job the judges have was so obviously an attempt to rehabilitate them in some of the public's minds after the JS debacle. That was what I meant by, don't insult my intelligence. As for the crap they have come out with. I accept here I was not clear, I meant concerning JS. For example Arlene on ITT last Monday week, saying that JS just read a paper all day, in my opinion it wasn't fair.


Eh on SCD,they spend a day in the studio, they sit in front of the performers , comment on some of the dances and then give them marks. It isn't more complicated that that. If they do anymore than that I'd like to know

I agree Hayfever. Why I loved SCD was because of the fun and entertainment, not the nasty comments, judges fighting and insulting each other, which I know is all pantomime, but I don't like it.

A very good couple of points.

yea, but guess what......

They think we are too stupid to have sussed it out.

Yes, very fair comments.


Although, unless we have tried it under similar circumstances, it would be difficult to say that - it looks easy, but ..... (in the same way that sitting at a newsdesk reading an autocue looks easy, or driving a train looks easy )


Yes, and the second part of that point is something that we should all bear in mind.

in total, it works out to be about 50 hours work in 13 weeks.....90 grand

Sign me up.............lol

3 threads are simultaneously bubbling away:

in stereo? No.
In quadrophone? No.
Is there such a thing as trilophone?

For those exhausted by keeping up, here is a precis in 3 sentences:

ITT: it's a hard life as a judge.
Are the judges worth 90 grand? :yawn:
BBC may axe Arlene and Craig.