Hi there, new here, though I have been lurking for yonks. I have just been testing this on my own HDR as I would love the ability to be able to archive off HD material onto my NAS.

I can confirm that on my box in non-freesat mode BBC HD appears encrypted and I cannot copy it off via USB. Did the same test with Luxe TV HD and this is not encrypted and allows copying off.

All SD and HD (luxe) test files I have copied off will play directly on my PS3 with no conversion (unlike my toppy TF5800 which need demuxing) when streamed off my NAS.

Sorry for the total newbie question, but how do I get Luxe?

Do I do a Manual Tune to get the extra (non-freesat) channels?

And then what happens? Do they appear in the EPG? And if not how do I watch them?

Sorry of the idiot questions but I am new to all this stuff.

Thanks

Do a manual tune, choose non freesat mode to view them.

No EPG is availiable with non freesat channels unfortunately, only now and next.

So does this leave my existing channel numbers etc intact?

I hear that I will lose my scheduled recordings also - do you know if this is so?

I have it working all pretty well and don't want to mess it up!

definately worked for me last night, I can stream HD from USB drive to TV via PS3 - awsome picture I know it involved quite a few button presses to do it (folder view-copy).

No the BBC HD channel appears twice in non freesat mode one with a ID of BBC HD and the other 6945. Only reasons that I can think of Blotch did not record an HD channel (It does not specifically say in the OP which channel) or that he might be one of the one cablers that have not got the latest firmware

Have you updated to the latest firmware? Maybe that's the difference? I am on the latest and can confirm that BBC HD in non-freesat mode seems exactly the same as freesat mode

Yes I have the latest firmware. If you manual record BBC HD in non-freesat mode (I did a 2 mins as a test). Then go into media, you will see the recording, but with copy button greyed out. I then selected Opt+, went into folder view and copied across to USB drive from there. The recording is full HD and the PS3 can bothe see and play it.

ok I just did the same test as last night - and this time it failed, the 'Enc' flag is now showing in the media list! So this must mean that the 'Enc' flag isn't on all the time as last nights recording does not show the 'Enc' flag and still allows me to copy

I am baffled by this. Just been downstairs to try again. Recorded 2 mins or so of the BBC HD preview loop in non-freesat mode and it still appears in media with the "Enc" symbol and with the "x" icon indicating it cannot be copied. In folder view the copy button is always greyed out for me.

The BBC are currently testing the ability to only turn on encryption for specific programmes, sounds as if you got lucky and you would have had the same result if you had gone for the Freesat option. It's a shame ain't it.

Ah, perhaps thats the case. Though I thought the BBC had the copy protect flag set to always on.

yes this is annoying, as you say I got lucky last night with no encryption (it was about 00:30am this morning)......just when I had vision of archiving some HD to PS3 USB drive

Did today's failure involve switching to non-freesat and starting recording? I have a feeling it might work if you switch to non-freesat, wait a while (say 10 mins) and try again...

ok I haven't given up testing yet! I just tried as you suggested above and it failed again - the 'Enc' tag was visible in media.

Update: Well, I've tried another approach - go into non-freesat mode then put machine into standby. Wait a minute then power on. Wait for it - it worked, I recorded 4 mins of BBC HD on channel 5102 and no 'Enc' tab visible and I can copy I think what happened last night is that I switched the machine on and went immediately to non-freesat mode. But this way (standby then wake up) works best.

Brilliant deduction Sherlock, got to try this tommorow.

....... Closely followed by software update which promptly disables said 'feature'.......... component output all over again ?

I can't rule out possability I got lucky again (if poster above is correct ref BBC experimenting with tag on/off) - so I'll do more testing during the evening then report back.....

That was going to be my next suggestion! Well found!

Have you tried this recently?

It works as you say. Now where can I find a universal remote with a timer and macros to start and end recording like you used to get for vcrs.

So the conclusion is it is possible to archive BBC HD afterall by going into non freesat mode? I like this lateral thinking.
Are there any disadvantages with the approach?

I guess this looses the advantages of the EPG though to set recordings does it?

How does the programme appear in the recordings list - is it just like other recordings?

I don't have a machine by the way. For me recording BBC HD unencrypted and archiving is a must have before I buy one, because I can do that now with my current set up.
So you've just brought back the possibility of me buying one of these

You currently can't set a timer to record in non freesat mode the only way is to be watching the channel and press record. (Hence the reason for looking for a macro programmeable remote with a timer). Once recorded the recording appears in the recorded programme list as any other but without the ENC mark that other HD recordings have. Hopefully a later firmware will at least give us a simple way of telling the box which channel to record, when and how long for, in non freesat mode.

Another disadvantage is that the box won't record anything set to record in Freesat mode whils't in fta mode

thanks for the reply
No timed recordings in nonfreesat mode is quite a disadvantage.