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Originally posted by grimfandango I meant to say you said it better Quote: But I still get the feeling Cam and Fed would be 2 who would not be in Nushs inner circle even if they lived in London I get that feeling too, I'm sure she likes Cam and Fed but she always did appear to me to get on with the other 4 lads better. Its ironic cos I think she thought she would get on with Cam and Fed best at first but shes too good for them anyway
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Originally posted by ben4321 ben4321, I don't think that's fair towards disnaespeakmuch. We might dislike Cameron but his fans deserve respect. I don't agree with her views but she always comes across as a polite person and she takes the time to write reasonable posts. And you know what others think of your opinion don't you? Where do you live by the way - Orkney, by any chance? IMO the forum will benefit from more posters like her and being dismissive or agressive towards opinions that differ from ours, isn't helping debate and discussion here. |
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Originally posted by disnaespeakmuch disnaespeakmuch, I thought we were discussing the relationships of those contestants whose opinions about the other HMs weren't so clear during or after BB. I think there's more to it than just being on good terms. You don't live with or go on holiday with people you aren't friendly with unless you have to.Cam stays with Ray when he's in London . I'd say he is very good friends with Steph and Gos. He gets on great with Cherise too.Nush isn't saying that she doesn't care for Cam. All she's saying is that Cam is really busy....and he is busy ! I don't know so much about the others granted. Some will be better friends than others but clearly Cam has made some good friends as a result of BB .
It has always being accepted that Steph and Gos do like Cameron. They went as far as to say they expected Cameron to be a friend for life. Ray has always expressed favourable opinions about Cameron... but we don't know how close they really are... beyond a certain point... it's open to speculation. Ray and Cameron had shared BB duties in the past and I assume they will be still doing this during the next few months. That Cameron stays at Ray's is not proof of how close they are. It could be just a convenient arrangement. Some people are quite happy with others crashing at their place. Ray seems this kind of person. They went to SA as BB representatives. No choice there. I would be surprised if Nush felt close to Cameron now they are out the house... apart from a short period in the house ... and considering Cameron's behaviour towards her in some instances... why would she be any more close now they lead different lifes apart from the occasional social gatherings? Some of the relationships, as in real life, are purely circunstancial and will die over time. Time will tell. Other HMs have expressed their reservations. But... Is there any reason why Cameron should be universally liked? IMO Cameron has some personality traits that some people might find likeable as it's your case... but that it's not the case for everybody as you well know. |
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Originally posted by tamara ben4321, I don't think that's fair towards disnaespeakmuch. We might dislike Cameron but his fans deserve respect. I don't agree with her views but she always comes across as a polite person and she takes the time to write reasonable posts. IMO the forum will benefit from more posters like her and being dismissive or agressive towards opinions that differ from ours, isn't helping debate and discussion here. 1. I think it's fair comment. 2. How do you know this person is a "she"? 3. I don't believe that anyone who chooses to support a thoroughly unpleasant bigot/bully like Cameron deserves much respect to be honest. His behaviour towards Jon, Lisa and Nush in the house was disgusting - no buts. 4. I'm all for reasoned debate, Tamara, but as far as Cameron goes, how can there be two sides to an argument when there is no other side. Cameron's behaviour is indefensible as far as I am concerned. 5. For all disnaespeakmuch's efforts to bring more "balance" to the discussion, s/he has utterly failed to provide any compelling evidence why anyone else should revise their view on Cameron, why he is worthy of respect and I find the pro-Cameron opinion to be based on specious reasoning to say the least. 6. If the BB4 housemates are getting on better with Cameron now, then to my mind it shows what forgiving people Jon and Nush are - nothing to do with any FMs being "wrong" in their largely negative perception of Cameron. |
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Originally posted by ben4321 Ben .. you asked disnaespeakmuch [dsm]: "And you know what others think of your opinion don't you?"1. I think it's fair comment. I said it wasn't fair on disnaespeakmuch because personallly I found the tone a bit abrupt. I might be wrong but that's the way it came across to me. I also don't have a problem with dsm liking Cameron. She has her reasons and while I don't share them it's her right to choose who she likes. You seem to imply in your sentence that everybody has a negative view and I believe this isn't the case. Quote:
2. How do you know this person is a "she"?
I gathered as much from reading her posts over time. I am pretty sure but I might be wrong. If that's the case... sorry dsm.Quote:
3. I don't believe that anyone who chooses to support a thoroughly unpleasant bigot/bully like Cameron deserves much respect to be honest. His behaviour towards Jon, Lisa and Nush in the house was disgusting - no buts.
Dsm has in several occasions said she doesn't agree with some of Cameron's views and some of his behaviour. She likes him as a person in spite of his shortcomings. Last year a lot of people had very strong views about Jade. She came across as very negative and a bully. Some thought she deserved a chance, others disagreed. A year later many have changed their views (no mesos). Were the people supporting Jade wrong? It does happen people support sometimes contestants that are far from being perfect because they can see other qualities and the possibility of them changing when confronted with their actions. Personally I can't see Cameron admiting he was wrong about some of the things he did during BB. Apparently he now regrets the way he behaved towards Lisa. I guess some people are more lenient than me. Quote:
4. I'm all for reasoned debate, Tamara, but as far as Cameron goes, how can there be two sides to an argument when there is no other side. Cameron's behaviour is indefensible as far as I am concerned.
I would find it's a case of double standards to acusse Cameron of intolerance and then us being intolerant towards other people's opinions. I do remember once I went to a Gay Pride day here in Edinburgh with my best friend who is gay. I was very shocked and angered when I saw a group of Christians with their children displaying anti-gay messages. To my surprise my friend wasn't angered at all. His view was that in the same way that when I feel very strongly and oustraged about something I am very vocal, other people believe homosexuality is wrong and a perversion and it's only natural they were demostrating against it. We are lucky because we know better. We know these people's views are wrong, but it's also wrong to combat intolerance with further intolerance. Sometimes people believe these things because they haven't had the opportunity to be challenged and they are just replicating prejudices they have learned. Sometimes it is a mistaken zeal and adherence to a religious faith. Whatever is the reason, forceful confrontation or intolerance on our part isn't going to help.. but that's just my opinion. Any forum is a good example of how radical opinions can be. For the sake of our arguments it's easier to see him as deprieved of anything good. But if you think carefully there isn't such a thing as black and white. I dislike Cameron but I can still see some good qualities in him (not many), so did Jon... so does dsm I don't consider him a good role model and I dislike deeply some of his behaviour and views in the house. That's what I saw and I consider to be the true based in my own experience. Other people focused in other aspects of Cameron character and while not agreeing with his views, they found they still liked him. Quote:
5. For all disnaespeakmuch's efforts to bring more "balance" to the discussion, s/he has utterly failed to provide any compelling evidence why anyone else should revise their view on Cameron, why he is worthy of respect and I find the pro-Cameron opinion to be based on specious reasoning to say the least.
I have found most of dsm posts good and reasonable. I have to admit we always get to a point where agreement is difficult because she likes Cameron and I don't. But I still respect the fact she takes time to explain her views across. I don't expect to change my opinions about Cameron and I assume she is as strong in her opinions. But it's interesting to exchange posts and find out how differently we evaluate things. There are things that we can discuss and rationalize.... but there is also a limit to this. Some choices are based in other factors not so easily isolated..they are based in subjective reasons difficult to use to convince someone else we are right. why some people liked Fed more than Jon? Why some people found Jon boring? .. Quote:
6. If the BB4 housemates are getting on better with Cameron now, then to my mind it shows what forgiving people Jon and Nush are - nothing to do with any FMs being "wrong" in their largely negative perception of Cameron.
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Tamara, I have read through all the above and I just want to say that I appreciate the fact that despite our different viewpoints you have always made me feel welcome on this board.
You have always treated my (and everyone elses )posts with fairness and reasonableness. I do hope you stick around and are not put off posting on this site because of all the agro elsewhere on this board. It would be such a shame .
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You have said that I do not deserve respect …. that I can make no argument on here which is valid because you regard Cam as indefensible. Basically , because I liked Cam and he held views which are objectionable to you, you think that I am objectionable too. You seem to think you have the right to treat me with disrespect, call me ‘stupid’ etc because we disagree about someone on a tv program. I do not treat you that way. I have tried not to offend anyone on this forum although I once had a misunderstanding with someone for which I apologised. I have never instigated trouble. I don't like arguments and avoid them where possible and I have not set out to offend or upset you. I know my views are in a minority here but I have always thought that I could give my view and it would not be taken personally. Its more a case of agree to disagree . I’m sure that there are people I have disagreed with this year that I could well be in agreement with next year after BB5. I understand that you have issues, and rightly so, but I am not responsible for the ills of the world nor am I Cam . I do not see why you should be foisting the agro you feel towards Cam onto me. I don't endorse Cam's views on premarital sex , gay marriage or child punishment and never have .I have stated in other threads that I do not agree with Cam's views. I like Cam despite his failings.I am not going to go into all that again in this thread because I feel there is little point - you have said there cannot be 2 sides to an argument where Cam is concerned, so why waste my time ?. I think you have trouble understanding how I can find anything likeable in someone with views contrary to my own , yet it happens all the time. My son is friendly with a boy who's family are jehova's witnesses and I have come to know the mother well through our contact at the school etc. If that child were to need a blood transfusion it is against their religion to allow it. They would have to allow him to die even though he could be saved. Ofcourse I would accept a lifesaving blood transfusion for my own child and I could never agree that it is wrong to have a blood transfusion. I find it strange that people can follow a religion which allows this.But it doesn't stop me getting on with them. They have always been pleasant with me and they are likeable people. Their faith is a matter for them. I visit a lot of sites but I have never encountered something like this this before. If I had made personal attacks on you I could understand it but I have never come on here seeking trouble. You are not going to tolerate my views , end of story ……well , we know where we stand. |
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Originally posted by disnaespeakmuch No need to take it all so seriously and misinterpret it as a personal attack against you specifically. As for the validity of any positive opinion of Cameron, doesn't the fact that you're just about the only Cameron fan on this forum tell you something? Ben You seem to think you have the right to treat me with disrespect, call me ‘stupid’ etc because we disagree about someone on a tv program. |
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doesn't the fact that you're just about the only Cameron fan on this forum tell you something?
it should be telling you something
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Originally posted by disnaespeakmuch Fans of all ex-HMs are welcome here as far as most of us are concerned. So please do not be put off from contributing disnaespeakmuch.
it should be telling you something
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Yes please stick around disnaespeakmuch, we disagree on the cameron front but that's that, it takes all sorts to make a world.
I'm gutted so many folks are going, I hope they come back. |
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thanks Eejay and Grim
I know most people can agree to disagree on here . I'm not planning on jumping ship just yet !
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Originally posted by disnaespeakmuch It tells me that a lot of sensible people do not support a false, nauseating bully with the persona of a particularly unpleasant overgrown schoolboy.
it should be telling you something
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Originally posted by tamara Great post as usual Tamara - Thanks. Good to see Nush is recovering well and that her sense of humour is as good as ever (re the photo and her comments). Anyone who can laugh at themselves and not take life too seriously as Nush does willKill Bill Nush / Kung Fu Banana be okay - can't wait to see what she does next - she made me laugh in the house and continues to do so outside! |
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I would like to hold up disnaespeakmuch's lengthy post above as the very model of a reasonable and sensible post. In the current climate of excesses and nastiness, this post is most welcome. It is a timely reminder of what this forum used to be like. I would like to think we could return to that level of polite and eloquent communication.
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Well said lulu.
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Originally posted by Eejay Well said, Eejay, and lulu as wellFans of all ex-HMs are welcome here as far as most of us are concerned. So please do not be put off from contributing disnaespeakmuch. Now that BB4 is a receeding memory surely we can all calm down. We need people here who take a different view from the majority to keep the board interesting and give us scope for some honest bantering |
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Originally posted by ben4321 Don't be so dissmisive Ben, I'm still around. doesn't the fact that you're just about the only Cameron fan on this forum tell you something? I just can't be bothered posting much.
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Tamara, I hope you reconsider & post on the forum again. To get to 70 pages on the BB News thread must surely be a record, I'd hate to think all that effort on your part will be allowed to slip into obscurity.
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We'll just have to not let it slip ciixii, I'm sure we can find something to put there if it starts to sink too further down the page.
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If we could turn Camoron's falsehood into physical mass that would even stop the QE2, how about that?
I too am a great fan of Tamara's unstinting resourcefulness and the collations she's provided for us has been illuminating and saved lots of us searching and time. Thanks Tamara.
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Yes we should set up our own liberation front the 'we shall not let tamara's news thread slip away' front, or is that a bit long winded?
I've decided that thread is going nowhere, I'll bloody well find something to put there if it kills me! |
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Grim, take this Baby Burco hot water boiler to temporarily plug the gap - it serves to not only do that but wash clothes and mash great tea!!
Twinkle, tea's UP!!! Fancy a Gary? |
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