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Old 14-02-2009, 22:06
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Well putting the old SlY card in the SlY box overnight did the trick and CH4HD is working a treat.

Many thanks for all your help.

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Old 15-02-2009, 00:11
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It sometimes comes up with this message when I turn to C4 HD, give it a minute it and it clears to the channel. Is the sky card inserted with the chip up? Just that a few have used the card as they would with a sky box.

I hope this helps, I use a Dragon cam but from what I've read they're very similar to use.
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What firmware are you using on the Dragon CAM, and where can I get it?

(I have the CAM, loader card and CAS 3 programmer. I started building a media server but I'm now going to put the CAM in the Humax PVR.)
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Old 15-02-2009, 09:45
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That version is now well out of date

I would recommend that you use the latest underworld 160
If you are just using the Diablo for you Sky card there is no need to update. New versions of UW are adding or fixing features to do with decrypting channels on other satellites without a subscription. If it works for you there will never be a need to update.
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Old 15-02-2009, 09:48
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The cam is loaded with predator 3.65, the latest version is 3.69. Both work with a sky card and as i only use it to get C4 HD haven't bothered to update it.
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Old 15-02-2009, 16:35
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Now that I have got Ch4HD working, is there a CAM/SlY card combination that would allow reception of National Geogaphia HD and Discovery HD?

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Old 15-02-2009, 17:23
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Now that I have got Ch4HD working, is there a CAM/SlY card combination that would allow reception of National Geogaphia HD and Discovery HD?

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Peter
If your sub includes those channels you will get them by entering the frequency.
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Old 16-02-2009, 20:09
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The cam is loaded with predator 3.65, the latest version is 3.69. Both work with a sky card and as i only use it to get C4 HD haven't bothered to update it.
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Old 21-02-2009, 11:11
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I've just got my HDR and realised that, although BBC, ITV and Four have their digital channels on Freesat, there are others, such as Fiver, Five US and UK History that are missing. I know Sky have their own version of Freesat which is supposed to have 200 free to air channels. If these include the missing Freeview channels could I use a CAM with the Sky viewing card, which is apparently available separately for some £20, to get these channels. If so, would I also need a CAS 3 programmer? I would be grateful for any help with this problem.
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Old 23-02-2009, 11:49
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Old 23-02-2009, 13:43
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The only extra channels you get on the sky version of freesat are sky 3, fiver and five us (and I assume the +1 versions if there are any).

For UKTV history you need a sky subscription.

You can use a CAM and a £20 'FTV' sky viewing card (as discussed earlier in this thread) to get these channels working on a non-sky box (you'll also get 4HD if you have an HD box). Be aware that sky are probably going to change viewing cards soon.
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Old 23-02-2009, 13:58
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You will also need to put the card in a normal sky digibox every 5 weeks or so to keep it active
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Old 23-02-2009, 16:43
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Has anyone using the SlY card in the Foxsat HDR to recieve CH4HD had any problems latley.

All was well but a few days ago I lost CH4HD (got the not transmitting.scambled message on screen).

I have put the card back in the SlY box for over 72 Hours and can get Fiver & Five US ok on the SlY box, but still no CH4HD when the card is returned to the Foxsat box.

Anyone have any suggestions.

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Old 23-02-2009, 22:14
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The only extra channels you get on the sky version of freesat are sky 3, fiver and five us (and I assume the +1 versions if there are any).

For UKTV history you need a sky subscription.

You can use a CAM and a £20 'FTV' sky viewing card (as discussed earlier in this thread) to get these channels working on a non-sky box (you'll also get 4HD if you have an HD box). Be aware that sky are probably going to change viewing cards soon.
Thanks for the information - sounds as though it may be better to wait until the new card comes out.
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Old 24-02-2009, 10:57
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Has anyone using the SlY card in the Foxsat HDR to recieve CH4HD had any problems latley.

All was well but a few days ago I lost CH4HD (got the not transmitting.scambled message on screen).

I have put the card back in the SlY box for over 72 Hours and can get Fiver & Five US ok on the SlY box, but still no CH4HD when the card is returned to the Foxsat box.

Anyone have any suggestions.

Many thanks

Peter
I have had no problems in getting c4 hd, at times though it has taken a bit longer to show the picture. The no channel/ scrambled channel seems to be the default screen until the cam/ card unscrambles the signal. Try waiting for a couple of mins and see if it is working. BTW I'm using a dragon cam.
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Old 24-02-2009, 14:47
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Upgraded Diablo CAM to 2.3 and Underworld 1.61 firmware and CH4HD is once again working.

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Old 25-02-2009, 01:55
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Upgraded Diablo CAM to 2.3 and Underworld 1.61 firmware and CH4HD is once again working.

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Peter
A public vote of thanks to Peter for his help in getting mine going too!

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Old 01-03-2009, 09:39
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I've been reading all your info and doing some experimenting before taking the plunge on something like a dragon cam for C4HD. I wanted to clarify what seem like some limitations, and see if anyone has worked around them.

1. C4 HD is available in non-freesat mode only (not a limitation per se, but bear with me).

2. You can't set the box to record programs from C4 HD, as there is no EPG available, only a now and next. Something I've not tried, can you record from the now and next? Also, I've never worked out how to do a manual record. Anyway, more importantly...

3. You can only switch the Foxsat between freesat mode and non-freesat mode (i.e. to access C4 HD) when it is not recording something.

4. If you have a recording scheduled from the freesat EPG, e.g at 8.30 to 9pm on BBC HD, but switch the box into non freesat mode at 8pm to watch a 1 hour C4 HD program in non-freesat mode, the box will not record your scheduled freesat program. As soon as you jump out of non-freesat mode the scheduled program will record if still applicable (e.g. if you had other programs scheduled later in the evening and you jumped out of non-freesat mode at 9pm, or if you jumped out early e.g. at 8.45pm in my above example).

3 and 4 could be quite a deal breaker - the potential to miss scheduled recordings by switching over to non-freesat mode in order to watch C4HD. Alternatively, if a scheduled recording has started, then you won't be able to switch the box over to non-freesat mode.

Am I about on track with that, or completely off the mark? Anyone got any workarounds? Great information on these forums, and I still think despite these possible limitations, the potential to access C4HD is worth investigating. I'm well pleased with BBC and ITV HD on my Foxsat!
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Old 01-03-2009, 15:45
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1. C4 HD is available in non-freesat mode only (not a limitation per se, but bear with me).
Correct...
2. ...Something I've not tried, can you record from the now and next?
No.
Also, I've never worked out how to do a manual record.
You simply hit the record button directly on the remote but you then have to fiddle about to make sure that the recording length is what you want... (the default is not always what you would expect...
3. You can only switch the Foxsat between freesat mode and non-freesat mode (i.e. to access C4 HD) when it is not recording something.
Correct. This is to prevent you messing up an exisiting recording which can only either be from Freesat mode or non-Freesat mode but not BOTH...
4. If you have a recording scheduled from the freesat EPG, e.g at 8.30 to 9pm on BBC HD, but switch the box into non freesat mode at 8pm to watch a 1 hour C4 HD program in non-freesat mode, the box will not record your scheduled freesat program.
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As soon as you jump out of non-freesat mode the scheduled program will record if still applicable...
I have found that that doesn't always hold true and is inconsistent...
3 and 4 could be quite a deal breaker - the potential to miss scheduled recordings by switching over to non-freesat mode in order to watch C4HD.
The main thing to point out here is that "Scheduled Recordings" are enabled by virtue of the existance of some kind of EPG (in our case Freesat) which is proprietary to the service. Since, by definition, non-Freesat mode is NOT propietary, there is no EPG and therefore no scheduled recording facility available; only manual events.

Am I about on track with that, or completely off the mark? Anyone got any workarounds?
None that I am aware of...

the potential to access C4HD is worth investigating. I'm well pleased with BBC and ITV HD on my Foxsat!
Likewise and for my own part, I have got my Diablo CAM working and for CH4 HD purposes, I simply use another form of EPG (on my PC) like Digiguide where I can find out what's coming up on CH4 HD (seems to mirror the normal channel mostly - which means that not ALL content is actually HD...) and then start the recording of anything I want to keep manually.
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Old 01-03-2009, 16:25
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4. If you have a recording scheduled from the freesat EPG, e.g at 8.30 to 9pm on BBC HD, but switch the box into non freesat mode at 8pm to watch a 1 hour C4 HD program in non-freesat mode, the box will not record your scheduled freesat program. As soon as you jump out of non-freesat mode the scheduled program will record if still applicable (e.g. if you had other programs scheduled later in the evening and you jumped out of non-freesat mode at 9pm, or if you jumped out early e.g. at 8.45pm in my above example).

3 and 4 could be quite a deal breaker - the potential to miss scheduled recordings by switching over to non-freesat mode in order to watch C4HD. Alternatively, if a scheduled recording has started, then you won't be able to switch the box over to non-freesat mode.

Am I about on track with that, or completely off the mark? Anyone got any workarounds? Great information on these forums, and I still think despite these possible limitations, the potential to access C4HD is worth investigating. I'm well pleased with BBC and ITV HD on my Foxsat!
A freesat scheduled recording will warn you it's about to record and switch back to freesat mode to make the recording provided you switch to non freesat mode at least 15 mins before the recording is due. Even if you switch off the box in non freesat mode this still works. Just try it out.
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Old 01-03-2009, 16:46
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A freesat scheduled recording will warn you it's about to record and switch back to freesat mode to make the recording provided you switch to non freesat mode at least 15 mins before the recording is due. Even if you switch off the box in non freesat mode this still works. Just try it out.
Aha! I didn't know that as all my "messings about" have not taken anything like that into consideration... I'll have to give it a try...

One thing I should have added to my previous reply to gkite was that since CH4 HD seems to run exactly the same schedule as the main channel, not ALL programs are in HD (even though they are being transmitted on an HD channel) and so a program guide such as Digiguide is indispensible to be able to identify what is ACTUALLY going to be transmitted in full HD as opposed to SD over HD...

Oh, and I have also managed to prove that it IS possible to copy an HD program (recorded in non-Freesat mode) from the internal HDD to an external USB device because on CH4 HD at least, the "ENC" flag is not set...

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Old 01-03-2009, 17:17
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A freesat scheduled recording will warn you it's about to record and switch back to freesat mode to make the recording provided you switch to non freesat mode at least 15 mins before the recording is due. Even if you switch off the box in non freesat mode this still works. Just try it out.
thanks CPN and grahamlthompson. Interesting info about digiguide. This switching back to freesat mode (above) sounds like it will also help to avoid missed recordings. Shame it won't go ahead and record the freesat in the background and let you watch the non-freesat (or vice versa) but I guess there's very good technical reasons for that! I think I'll go ahead anyway, I'm loving HD on the Foxsat, and I hear that on C4 even the upscaled SD content is better than the normal SD (and given I'm not impressed with the Foxsat SD upscaling on it's HDMI output this is another benefit, but that's a conversation for another thread....).
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Old 05-03-2009, 16:47
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Correct...
No.
You simply hit the record button directly on the remote but you then have to fiddle about to make sure that the recording length is what you want... (the default is not always what you would expect...
Correct. This is to prevent you messing up an exisiting recording which can only either be from Freesat mode or non-Freesat mode but not BOTH...
Correct
I have found that that doesn't always hold true and is inconsistent...
The main thing to point out here is that "Scheduled Recordings" are enabled by virtue of the existance of some kind of EPG (in our case Freesat) which is proprietary to the service. Since, by definition, non-Freesat mode is NOT propietary, there is no EPG and therefore no scheduled recording facility available; only manual events.

None that I am aware of...

Likewise and for my own part, I have got my Diablo CAM working and for CH4 HD purposes, I simply use another form of EPG (on my PC) like Digiguide where I can find out what's coming up on CH4 HD (seems to mirror the normal channel mostly - which means that not ALL content is actually HD...) and then start the recording of anything I want to keep manually.
How are you finding ch4 hd in your diablo? mine tends to pixalate from time to time.
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Old 05-03-2009, 17:09
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Oh, and I have also managed to prove that it IS possible to copy an HD program (recorded in non-Freesat mode) from the internal HDD to an external USB device because on CH4 HD at least, the "ENC" flag is not set...

Colin
Provided you switch off and on again in non freesat mode (boot into freesat mode) BBC HD's not encrypted either. It's only freesat boxes that have to honour the ENC flag. Sadly you can't get ITV HD in non freesat mode so are stuck with the encryption (unless you have a fta HD box that lets you enter the vpid)
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Old 05-03-2009, 23:48
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How are you finding ch4 hd in your diablo? mine tends to pixalate from time to time.
Indeed... Mine has a propensity to do that too from time to time...

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Old 05-03-2009, 23:58
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Provided you switch off and on again in non freesat mode (boot into freesat mode) BBC HD's not encrypted either. It's only freesat boxes that have to honour the ENC flag.
Forgive me Graham but those two sentences seem to be mutually exclusive?

Are you saying that with the Foxsat HDR it is possible in non-Freesat mode to arrive at a condition whereby when an HD recording is carried out (from BBC HD say) the "Enc" flag icon is NOT present when viewed in the Media List afterwards? If so, how?? I have yet to find a way of achieving this state?

Whichever mode I record in and however I boot, the "Enc" flag is ALWAYS there against a recorded HD program (from the BBC HD channel) whether carried out in non-Freesat mode or not?

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