Weymel, along with END1, were the only one's making the claim. It has nothing to do with who he is.

you are making an offensive accusation in that post too.

I would delete all your posts with the insensitive comments on this page if I were you (or edit them).

How angry would you be if someone made accusations about you like that on a forum ?

I'm not sure if I'd like confirmation- I'm basically wanting to see the good in the world (yes, even baby-killers deserve a chance!) but Weymels (?) allegations of fixing (sorry W, but remember even if it's God's honest truth to you, from my POV it's still an allegation) do sound plausible, and frankly I wouldn't put it past Endemol - sounds awful to convict on such wispy evidence I know.

But I think my overriding quest for the truth means that I would like to know, even if it shatters my rose-tinted specs (they actually have F1-type tear-offs, so I can soon replace the tint!)

FJ
If it is true - it is obviously appalling beyond belief, and it puts paid to any nonsense about "experiment" which was surely Endemol's main selling point, for what otherwise is rather tatty television. That is it loses any validity in terms of group dynamics if they are restricted in who they can choose, surely.

I only have one comment, if that is what channel 4 did, it disgusting!!!

And why? Cos they had Sex? - I really don't think there is anything in the rules against that!!!

If anyone should be questioned, it should be channel 4 !

Very, but then it wouldn't be true of me. It was weymel's actions that were offensive, not my pointing this out.

Indeed. See, you're getting the idea now...

But Kriz....You miss the importance of this story....It's proof that Endomol are skilled at misreprentation (if true)....All these arguments we have about editing and favoritism..here we have a clear case from an inside source claiming that a total edit was done to misdirect the viewer from something that had happened.....in this case two contestants were disqualified for having sex. The fact that the bloke claims to be Tommy's dad only increases my desire to find out if it's true...because it's dynamite if it is......Normally we'd all shrug our shoulders at conspiricy theories....but this once we may have out teeth in something....isn't it worth getting to the bottom of it...just this once?

Phew, someone 'gets it'.

I'd go with that.......I want to know the truth about this....but I can't just assume it's true until it's disproved....but I certainly want to get to the bottom of it. It's not just teen BB....I can see the traces of manipulation in the other shows which people have claimed doesn't exist.......

Oh I fully agree! - I for one will be watching with much interest!!!

But as you and I know - getting anything fro endemol is impossible! - we can scream blue murder and we might get a little press release that says nothing as usual!

Endemol simply do not give the slightest shi* about you or I !

They make a programme, edit it how they want to, then show it - end of!

The bigest give away is "Endemol can change the rules at any time" - That seems to be there moto now !!!

I dont understand your attitude to this.

You made insulting remarks that you have concluded from almost no factual content. You dont know the circumstances.

And you ended up proving my point. Who would want to post info with someone like you doing posts like that ? Making accusations.

Its not too late to edit.

Originally posted by Goodfella
I dont understand your attitude to this.

And I don't understand why you feel it necessary to defend weymel in a manner that can only be compared to that of a besotted teenager. But there you go.

You made insulting remarks that you have concluded from almost no factual content. You dont know the circumstances.

I made remarks based on the premise that weymel's report of his son's accident was true.

And you ended up proving my point. Who would want to post info with someone like you doing posts like that ? Making accusations.

Its not too late to edit.

I feel no need to edit, and stand by what I say. the very last thing on my mind, should a child of mine be involved in a potentially serious accident, would be reporting to a forum. Period. Those are not the actions of a caring parent, whoever they may or may not be.

piccies

i dunno why anyone would doubt your identity or your motives for posting

sorry to see ya and maybe other 'insiders' leave due to being made to feel unwelcome.......bye

You dont know the circumstances, and I doubt anyone would be offensive enough to post something like that to you knowing so little of the circumstances.

but its up to you. Thats my last word on it.

These are the circumstances, as posted by the great weymel himself. *These* are the circumstances on which I based my comments. At the time of posting, weymel said "his injuries are not thought to be life threatning, but we shall have to wait and see". His posts suggests there was a chance, no matter how slight, that his son could have died. Yet, weymel, being the caring parent he is, logged onto DS:BB forum to keep a bunch of strangers updated. From this I can conclude one of two things - (a) that the story was sensationalised, at best or (b) that weymel sought attention from a group of strangers rather than comfort his family, who would surely have been quite distraught by this point.

Do you see?

I read that post at the time. I knew what you were referring to. You have shown poor judgement in keeping this going.

You dont know the circumstances.

Im really surprised you went down this line. Who would want to post with people making accusations (things in the post "suggest" things to you) like this when they know very little of the circumstances.

Its extremely ignorant.

Weymel might not have realised it, but in a sense he was actually right to "wait and see": something like a broken bone can sometimes cause bloodclots (pulmonary embolism) and the like which can kill, if the vein is damaged during the break.

FJ
I am not stating any particular belief in the identity of any posters, sometimes I'm not even sure who I am!

http://www.yidaho.com/tbb/tommy.jpg

Awwww, you fell out a window, too, Goodfella?

Right, I have earlier read through the WHOLE of this thread AND the related "families" thread and can I state this is what I believe the position thus far:

It seems clear to me that whoever Weymel is, he can speak for Tommy, and obvisouly has some relationship to him.

Weymel is not saying that the result was "fixed" but that it was influenced by some restrictions being placed on who could choose whom.

The need for Weymel to prove some connection with Tommy (it's not clear to me where the relationship being father-son springs from, perhaps it was from the extinct NG forum?) was becuase of the thread that END1 started.

THis thread rather quietly started with END1 commenting on family of HMs being told where they could/could not post.

Fairly boring really, until END1 made the comment, in a rather low key way, considering it was rather "explosive" (to quote Eejay), but that shouldn't affect whether we beleive it or not, that there were restrictions on voting patterns.

These comments were backed up by Weymel (which led to the "prove who you are" requests).

So, I think we've established some legitimacy to Weymel's comments (no-one seems to have asked for END1's credentials that I could see).

BUT as Yidaho pointed out, in their own sweet way , this doesn't affect the rather serious comments that the voting was restricted.

Sorry Weymel, but the fact that you seem to be who you say you are does not actually prove allegations of vote influencing - thouh it does make you a plausible witness.

I think we need END1 to give us more information about their source of knowledge, in order to back up Weymel's powerful comments.

It seems odd to me that END1 should make such comments as they did, and then disappear - why tease us so?

FJ

Originally posted by Father Jack
Weymel might not have realised it, but in a sense he was actually right to "wait and see": something like a broken bone can sometimes cause bloodclots (pulmonary embolism) and the like which can kill, if the vein is damaged during the break.

But he didn't "wait and see" - that's my point.

FJ
I am not stating any particular belief in the identity of any posters, sometimes I'm not even sure who I am!

You are him.. over there.. in the green sweater and orange welly boots.

Shoot! I must have my web cam on!!!

FJ

Nice work... but did you notice while editing the picture the bruises Tommy got on his right arm -near his wrist?

oh its all lighthearted now is it ?

after all the things that you have "suggested" in this thread ?