I have no wish to fall out with you or the wemels or any other friend or family member of one of the Teen BB.

I also have absolutely no time whatsoever for the nasty & spiteful rubbish that was posted about the families on the deleted thread or was edited out of the 'families' thread and elsewhere.

I just find myself somewhere in the middle. I have experienced many, many time wasters on the internet. We all have. I just felt it was reasonable for the regular FMs here to ask for just a little proof, particularly as some of the statements being made seemed a little odd ... like Tommy's accident not being in the press.

I am now convinced that weymel is who he says he is. The weymels and Tommy are respected by the majority of regulars on this Forum. But surely it was not unreasonable to raise our doubts, ask a few questions?

In your case, I have not had doubts about your identity due to what you revealed before the show started. It was correct so I accepted your claim that you were connected with one of the families.

Of course, in normal circumstances, FMs do not go around asking each other for ID .... but, given the explosive nature of some of the suggestions being made by the Friends/family of the 'Teens' it became essential to have some verification of ID.
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Of course there will be doubts, thats only natural, and I think there have been some brilliant debates and good arguments about it all, its just when some get a little out of hand and slanging matches occur. There is one person on another forum claiming to be Paul, the winner of teen bb, but when asked for proof, which is hard to give I admit, he couldnt, but when asked questions that only Paul would know, he couldnt give the right answers so that was proof enough for everyone.
It is nice when people who know first hand about things come onto these forums, you get a little insight into things, its just a shame that a few spoil it.

the scratch on Tommy's wrist was caused by the way his watch smashed when he landed on the ground, if you could see on the pictures a way of looking round you would see the scratch/graze going all the way around his wrist, needles to say the watch was smashed to pieces

If you look on at his right arm it looks a bit more than a scratch!

There's a bit gash where it hit and then scratch marks going up his arm.

But I think the main point is - why should anyone make something like that up? - there is no need to?

Some people won't be satified until they see the Doctor's report signed in triplicate!



I hope he is mending ok !!!

Well I'm convinced.....Hope he recovers soon....Personally I liked the feller on the show and would have liked to see him win.....which is one reason why I'm eagre to get to the bottom of Endomol making it look like he could have won when he couldn't........

The information given by END1 and Tommy's family is the most intriguing I've ever seen on these forums, and I, for one, am convinced by it. It all makes sense. Although it would not necessarily back up some of the wilder conspiracy theories advanced on the boards during the last BB debacle, it would seem to verify the suspicions some of us had about some of the production directives which made the whole thing appear - can I say it? - a sham.

The problem is with it all is how can you prove it, I am sure if the press get hold of it Channel 4 wouldnt admit it, so I doubt very much if the press would be interested anyway, they cant really print that kind of thing can they.

There are still too many unanswered questions. For example, how did weymel come about this information? Was he told by his son, was he told by Endemol or C4, was he told by another parent or participant? Has he discussed this with other participants, their parents or with C4? And so on. His posts, although consistant, were fairly vague on detail.

I'm playing devil's advocate here (obviously ), but we shouldn't discount the idea that weymel was using this as an reason/excuse for his son not winning (personally, I don't think he'd have won, anyway), or perhaps to make us feel that his son was in some way reprimanded for his stupid behaviour on the show, thus taking the onus away from the real issue at hand, i.e. that his son had unprotected sex in on national tv? I'm not suggesting that either of these things is true, but there are motives for weymel making the possibly false accusations that he has. He has, whether intentionally or not, muddied the water, and rather than discuss the show and the issues that arose from the show we are talking about a conspiracy.

On the contrary, wasn't one of our prime television channels exposed for fixing a show just last year? IIRC, the docu-type programme (whose name escapes me) was proven to have used actors.

Yes they can. It would be up to C4 to prove them wrong.

Tommy's mum posts on the C4 TeenBig Brother Forum.

I mentioned this to her this morning and this was her reply

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posted 22-10-03 09:51
morning all, I have not read anything like that, I think if Tommy and Jade had been excluded we would have known about it by now, the only thing that people found strange is why Tracey didnt vote for Tommy and Paul for Jade, I dont think we will really know why, Tommy and Tracey are really good freinds and are in contact all the time, I know Tommy didnt mind not winning as he hates to travel, but he would have loved the vocational training bit, to be with a real professional to learn about music.

"

it was me who started the thread, weymel just backed up what I have said, I was told by my friend, I doubt none of the housemates would say anything as they just want to forget it, I also think Tommy would have won if it had gone to a publice vote, purely for the reason that he never bitched, walked away from arugments etc. but then again, people do tend to go for the ones who argue a lot, it keeps them entertained, paul will be home in a couple of weeks time and that will be the end of it all.

Hmmm.. I checked out the 'internetsusie' thread. Interesting. Dare I ask whether internetsusie has been able to prove who she says she is?

So weymel has no first hand knowledge of this? Is that what you are saying? And you were told by a friend? What is your friend's connection in all this?

I am not saying anything like that, my friend is the mother of one of the housemates. I have been on the channel 4 site and I believe susie is who she says she is, I dont think it really matters that she cant prove it conclusivley, how can you on the internet, but from the posts I have read they all beleive her over there.

So you believe that internetsusie is Tommy's mother, yet she is not aware that the participants on TBB were unable to vote for her son, after a ruling set by C4/Endemol? Don't you find that strange?

yidaho - No offence, M8, but why do all you post sound like demands ?

Try the conversational approach instead of the "Oy you tell me what I want to know now!" approach - I'm sure you will get better results from making from friends here, as apposed to sometimes sounding like a Sun Reporter!

No offence intended!

you do sound quite aggessive sometimes yidaho, I hope I am not setting myself up for a duffing up saying that! as for susie, maybe she does know something but just wont say anything, if I was her I wouldnt either, Tommy is happy with the outcome so why make a fuss.

Originally posted by KriZ
yidaho - No offence, M8, but why do all you post sound like demands ?

They do? It's not intentional, I assure you.

Try the conversational approach instead of the "Oy you tell me what I want to know now!" approach - I'm sure you will get better results from making from friends here, as apposed to sometimes sounding like a Sun Reporter!

With all due respect, I'm not here to make friends - I am, however, interested in weymel's accusations. I'm simply throwing out some random questions in order to ascertain some some facts. I'm not demanding answers, just that these perfectly valid points be considered. Tis all

No offence intended!


None taken.

I dont think weymel will be back, I read on one of his posts that he was finished with the board, could be wrong though of course.

Originally posted by END1
you do sound quite aggessive sometimes yidaho, I hope I am not setting myself up for a duffing up saying that!

*strokes knuckle-duster lovingly*

I'm really not at all aggressive. I'm sorry I appear to be coming across that way.

as for susie, maybe she does know something but just wont say anything, if I was her I wouldnt either, Tommy is happy with the outcome so why make a fuss.

In which case, why did weymel make such a fuss? I'm sorry, but I really am struggling to give this story an ounce of credibilty.

Well maybe he is more upset about it than susie, you have to admit it was a great opportunity to miss out on.

Does it not strike you as odd, though, that his mother* and father are posting on separate forums - one complaining that TBB was unfair, manipulated and edited to deceive the C4 viewers, yet the other has not an inkling of this? She didn't say she didn't care, she said that she'd not heard this allegation before.

*If she is indeed his mother.

I suppose that is one thing you have to consider, that she is not who she says she is, I have also thought of something else, that is the channel 4 official forum, maybe she has said something and they have deleted it, I know they do that as I used to go in there and had loads of posts deleted, especialy ones slagging channel 4 off.

She has been posting for quite a while and has seemed genuine. She posted about his accident and having to go back to the hospital because his ankle was broken etc so I have no reason to doubt she is who she claims to be.

Thats why this just seems a little odd