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I didn't stop laughing for the 90 seconds of the Paso. Not really the reaction I should have on a serious bullfight.
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The trouble is that dancing in a competetion like this is about more than the technical. Austin is a better performer than Tom, who often comes across as quite camp in the way he moves.
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The trouble is that dancing in a competetion like this is about more than the technical. Austin is a better performer than Tom, who often comes across as quite camp in the way he moves.
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Here we go, here's the still
http://i247.photobucket.com/albums/g...n/results6.png Thanks to the girls on the BBC site. ![]() |
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The trouble is that dancing in a competetion like this is about more than the technical. Austin is a better performer than Tom, who often comes across as quite camp in the way he moves.
![]() He's not built like a rugby player, so naturally when he does those gyrations, he'll look more 'campy', I supposed. That said, I do think he's beginning to conquer the facial expression bit of the dance (hopefully this continues). |
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It's Toms exuberance which makes his dancing more entertaining for me and the lack of which puts me of the "technically" more accurate Austin.
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Agree with other comments on here.
Tom is the more talented dancer and the group dance showed it big time. BUT if you compare Tom's tango with the one Austin did the week before, Austin's won hands down because his frame was so much better. He has a certain class that Tom doesn't have, which is probably why the judges favour him. |
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I dont get why people dont like Tom more. Its Austen whose the cocky sod.
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I dont get why people dont like Tom more. Its Austen whose the cocky sod.
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I dont get why people dont like Tom more. Its Austen whose the cocky sod.
Sod? R U serious? |
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Does that mean you may consider voting for him newkid ![]() The reason Tom isn't the judges fav is because they love Rachel
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I dont get why people dont like Tom more. Its Austen whose the cocky sod.
Oh good, the mature argument! Second only to smug! |
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It saddens me to say it because I think Tom is easily the best natural dancer in the series, but I DON'T think he was better than Austin in the group dance. There were things that showed up against him. The lines in the photo
http://i247.photobucket.com/albums/g...n/results6.png as have been pointed out were much better in Austin's pose than in Tom's. Also during the dance, whenever the girls had to be lifted or spun around, Tom was often just a little behind the beat. Things were sometimes just too loose and in a bad way, not an exciting way. To me, one of the reasons that Tom isn't getting the tens is that he's so naturally gifted, he doesn't actually Work as hard. Now before you get all worked up, I don't mean he doesn't put in the effort. I'm sure he does, but I suspect he doesn't think of some of the finicky little things that the judges look for because he is so very nearly able to do them anyway. The others, like Austin, to whom it doesn't come so readily have to work more precisely to get their dances right. That's my theory anyway. One other thing... and I'm not quite sure what this means, whether it's a good thing or not, or whether it's nothing at all. During the dance, when Austin and Tom were at the front, several times Tom looked across at Austin. Austin never looked at Tom. Now this may be Austin concentrating on the dance like billy-oh. But if this was a theatrical performance - and I know what I'm talking about here - I would suspect that Austin was upstaging Tom. If they'd been rehearsing with that sort of eye contact with each other, and then in performance Austin ignores Tom, it makes Austin look very strong and Tom look very needy and insecure. I wondered about that. Austin is a top class sportsman. Psychological play comes naturally to people like him. Like I say, it just made me wonder. |
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It saddens me to say it because I think Tom is easily the best natural dancer in the series, but I DON'T think he was better than Austin in the group dance. There were things that showed up against him. The lines in the photo
http://i247.photobucket.com/albums/g...n/results6.png as have been pointed out were much better in Austin's pose than in Tom's. Also during the dance, whenever the girls had to be lifted or spun around, Tom was often just a little behind the beat. Things were sometimes just too loose and in a bad way, not an exciting way. To me, one of the reasons that Tom isn't getting the tens is that he's so naturally gifted, he doesn't actually Work as hard. Now before you get all worked up, I don't mean he doesn't put in the effort. I'm sure he does, but I suspect he doesn't think of some of the finicky little things that the judges look for because he is so very nearly able to do them anyway. The others, like Austin, to whom it doesn't come so readily have to work more precisely to get their dances right. That's my theory anyway. One other thing... and I'm not quite sure what this means, whether it's a good thing or not, or whether it's nothing at all. During the dance, when Austin and Tom were at the front, several times Tom looked across at Austin. Austin never looked at Tom. Now this may be Austin concentrating on the dance like billy-oh. But if this was a theatrical performance - and I know what I'm talking about here - I would suspect that Austin was upstaging Tom. If they'd been rehearsing with that sort of eye contact with each other, and then in performance Austin ignores Tom, it makes Austin look very strong and Tom look very needy and insecure. I wondered about that. Austin is a top class sportsman. Psychological play comes naturally to people like him. Like I say, it just made me wonder. Wow! Great post. I agree with you. I hadn't thought about it that way before, but when it comes naturally to someone, they don't break it down and analyse something like someone who has less natural talent but is prepared to work as hard as it takes. Austin is very mathematically minded and so he probably does break things down and analyse them more than anyone else there, he spends a lot of time on youtube analysing dances and trying to get the moods right because he's not a natural actor. I actually thought that both the boys were strong in different areas, as mentioned before. Most of Tom's good points were caught on camera, he moves more fluidly and dances better as an individual, but Austin's lines were much better and he danced as part of a couple better than Tom did imo.
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If were going to say Austin has better lines could we maybe have something other than one spilt second screenshot to compare them both, that's hardly fair.
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If were going to say Austin has better lines could we maybe have something other than one spilt second screenshot to compare them both, that's hardly fair.
No, I'm talking about Austin dancing generally, he's been told by the judges that he has the best frame that they've seen in ballroom from a man. And Tom is told that his frame isn't strong enough. Tom's strength is in his musicality and natural rhythm, not in the lines that he makes. |
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I actually thought that both the boys were strong in different areas, as mentioned before. Most of Tom's good points were caught on camera, he moves more fluidly and dances better as an individual, but Austin's lines were much better and he danced as part of a couple better than Tom did imo.
![]() By the way, I know people are always going on about Camilla's facial expressions during the dances. Have they ever noticed Ian's? Just as outrageous! Perhaps it's a partner thing. |
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I don't think there's a need compare TBH, there's very little separating Rachel/Tom/Austin, they all have different strengths and weaknesses.
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I dont get why people dont like Tom more. Its Austen whose the cocky sod.
Personally I prefer people who are flawed. I spent two years completely obsessed with a 60 year old ex mountaineer who looks more like a scarecrow than a man, and has a very acerbic, black sense of humour. However in his heyday he was a sh*t hot climber and didn't suffer fools gladly. I'm not really bothered what anyone else thinks. |
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If were going to say Austin has better lines could we maybe have something other than one spilt second screenshot to compare them both, that's hardly fair.
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He did stoop a little bit in the Tango, I can't say I've noticed it in his other Ballroom dances. I wonder if the posture is harder to hold in the Tango? It's the only dance that varies from the normal Ballroom hold isn't it?
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By the way, I know people are always going on about Camilla's facial expressions during the dances. Have they ever noticed Ian's? Just as outrageous! Perhaps it's a partner thing.
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I actually liked seeing them side to side. I don't mind Tom's dancing at all, but it confirmed to me how much better Austin is.
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Isn't it all a matter of taste? I think they're both great dancers but I prefer a man to dance in a slightly more 'blokey' style. So Austin's less fluid lines don't bother me but Tom's slight feyness and those faces does.
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Tom's gurning gets on my nerves. Austin for me every time!
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