Originally Posted by moonbaby:
“Its a matter of opinion.”
“Its a matter of opinion.”
Granted, you may not like the performance. But she did the best cha-cha, technique-wise, in this series.
Let's agree to disagree.
What a fix
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Granted, you may not like the performance. But she did the best cha-cha, technique-wise, in this series.
Let's agree to disagree.
Originally Posted by Fudd:
“But if everyone makes minor mistakes during a 10 dance, why does Len select Tom's dance to point that out. Either he should've awarded a 9; kept his mouth shut about the 'small' mistake or label every single minor mistake that a couple makes before giving a 10. By saying that he knew there was mistakes and then dolling out a 10, it seems like he was singling out Tom - I'd say unfairly because it may affect his subsequent public vote.”
“But if everyone makes minor mistakes during a 10 dance, why does Len select Tom's dance to point that out. Either he should've awarded a 9; kept his mouth shut about the 'small' mistake or label every single minor mistake that a couple makes before giving a 10. By saying that he knew there was mistakes and then dolling out a 10, it seems like he was singling out Tom - I'd say unfairly because it may affect his subsequent public vote.”
In fairness, the "small" mistake was pretty obvious, even to a complete non expert like me. Particularly in his pivots.
Originally Posted by sarah-flute:
“In fairness, the "small" mistake was pretty obvious, even to a complete non expert like me. Particularly in his pivots.”
“In fairness, the "small" mistake was pretty obvious, even to a complete non expert like me. Particularly in his pivots.”
I don't understand why Camilla made Tom do the pivots TWICE, seeing she knew he stuck his bottom out doing it. Last week's Tango was the same (though the judges were mum about it). Mad on Camilla's part, I reckon. Tom did an emotive dance. No more silly 'smug' or 'Tomapasta' face, he did a very moving Waltz. I applaud him for that.
Originally Posted by SCD-Observer:
“I don't understand why Camilla made Tom do the pivots TWICE, seeing she knew he stuck his bottom out doing it. Last week's Tango was the same (though the judges were mum about it). Mad on Camilla's part, I reckon. Tom did an emotive dance. No more silly 'smug' or 'Tomapasta' face, he did a very moving Waltz. I applaud him for that.”
“I don't understand why Camilla made Tom do the pivots TWICE, seeing she knew he stuck his bottom out doing it. Last week's Tango was the same (though the judges were mum about it). Mad on Camilla's part, I reckon. Tom did an emotive dance. No more silly 'smug' or 'Tomapasta' face, he did a very moving Waltz. I applaud him for that.
”
Yes, VERY true - well done Tom for clamping down on the gurning (it was less in evidence last week too) which I know was offputting for a lot of people (myself included). I still find something undefinably camp about his dances, but the last few weeks I have enjoyed them an awful lot more. I think Camilla has managed to take the focus off herself a bit, a bad habit of hers; it's putting Tom in a much better position to prove he's good at it.
Originally Posted by sarah-flute:
“Yes, VERY true - well done Tom for clamping down on the gurning (it was less in evidence last week too) which I know was offputting for a lot of people (myself included). I still find something undefinably camp about his dances, but the last few weeks I have enjoyed them an awful lot more. I think Camilla has managed to take the focus off herself a bit, a bad habit of hers; it's putting Tom in a much better position to prove he's good at it.”
“Yes, VERY true - well done Tom for clamping down on the gurning (it was less in evidence last week too) which I know was offputting for a lot of people (myself included). I still find something undefinably camp about his dances, but the last few weeks I have enjoyed them an awful lot more. I think Camilla has managed to take the focus off herself a bit, a bad habit of hers; it's putting Tom in a much better position to prove he's good at it.”
He's a little TOO bendy, I think, for the latin, so it came across camp like a row of tents (to quote Bruno!).
Originally Posted by moonbaby:
“I seriousley doubt they want to get rid of Tom... more like Christine.
But it was blatant they were trying to protect Lisa. I thought her cha cha was mediocre.”
“I seriousley doubt they want to get rid of Tom... more like Christine.
But it was blatant they were trying to protect Lisa. I thought her cha cha was mediocre.”
I haven't read the rest of the thread as I agree with this post.
Lisa still hasn't mastered moving smoothly from one part of the dance to the other and if you watch it again, look at how sharp Brendan's arm movements are and how weak Lisa's are - to say her Cha Cha was anything like one of the best is ridiculous.
Her foxtrot was good though.
Was on here last night and everyone was commenting on how the judges were preparing to mark Lisa up this week.
This was based on comments made on ITT. This forum was full of it last night !!!!
Now I only see ITT a couple of times a week so I can't say whether they were or were not favouring Lisa before she even danced...so I thought ..lets wait and see...
Low and behold ..what happens.. Lisa is top of the leaderboard and, I don't care what anyone says, that cha cha cha was NOT good.
Austin is king of the ballroom, much better than Lisa or Rachael.
The girls' dresses are too long and their feet can't be seen. They could be doing allsorts under there. I was particularly watching Rachael's feet (suspecting overmarking) and I couldn't see them.
Austin's paso was not good but no worse than Lisa's cha cha so how come she was top of the board ???
Personally I smell a rat and it don't half pong !!!
This was based on comments made on ITT. This forum was full of it last night !!!!
Now I only see ITT a couple of times a week so I can't say whether they were or were not favouring Lisa before she even danced...so I thought ..lets wait and see...
Low and behold ..what happens.. Lisa is top of the leaderboard and, I don't care what anyone says, that cha cha cha was NOT good.
Austin is king of the ballroom, much better than Lisa or Rachael.
The girls' dresses are too long and their feet can't be seen. They could be doing allsorts under there. I was particularly watching Rachael's feet (suspecting overmarking) and I couldn't see them.
Austin's paso was not good but no worse than Lisa's cha cha so how come she was top of the board ???
Personally I smell a rat and it don't half pong !!!
Originally Posted by holidaynumpty:
“The girls' dresses are too long and their feet can't be seen. They could be doing allsorts under there. I was particularly watching Rachael's feet (suspecting overmarking) and I couldn't see them.
Personally I smell a rat and it don't half pong !!!”
“The girls' dresses are too long and their feet can't be seen. They could be doing allsorts under there. I was particularly watching Rachael's feet (suspecting overmarking) and I couldn't see them.
Personally I smell a rat and it don't half pong !!!”
You are the clever one tonight. You saw how the long dress kept people watching her feet (even though the dress obscured them) qnd kept eyes away from the gapping in the middle
Originally Posted by Golden anemone:
“You are the clever one tonight. You saw how the long dress kept people watching her feet (even though the dress obscured them) qnd kept eyes away from the gapping in the middle”
“You are the clever one tonight. You saw how the long dress kept people watching her feet (even though the dress obscured them) qnd kept eyes away from the gapping in the middle
”
How many more times tonight are you going to post this?!
Originally Posted by sarah-flute:
“In fairness, the "small" mistake was pretty obvious, even to a complete non expert like me. Particularly in his pivots.”
“In fairness, the "small" mistake was pretty obvious, even to a complete non expert like me. Particularly in his pivots.”
I agree. So why give him a 10 if he's going to point out the error? Especially as he goes on to say no dance is perfect...well why not single out the mistakes everyone else makes too, instead of just picking on Tom?
Originally Posted by holidaynumpty:
“The girls' dresses are too long and their feet can't be seen. They could be doing allsorts under there. I was particularly watching Rachael's feet (suspecting overmarking) and I couldn't see them.
”
“The girls' dresses are too long and their feet can't be seen. They could be doing allsorts under there. I was particularly watching Rachael's feet (suspecting overmarking) and I couldn't see them.
”
Karen said on ITT last year Len can generally tell if your footwork is correct by looking at your top line, he would only be looking at the feet to doublecheck.
Originally Posted by Spinaker5:
“She questioned Len's criticism. I call that arrogance from someone who's not that hot at Latin. Brendan has not shown any arrogance this series.”
“She questioned Len's criticism. I call that arrogance from someone who's not that hot at Latin. Brendan has not shown any arrogance this series.”
I love this comment that she "questioned Len's criticism" - what actually happened was Len criticised their dance and Erin said "Ooohhh". Wow, you couldn't get more arrogant could you?
Originally Posted by holidaynumpty:
“Was on here last night and everyone was commenting on how the judges were preparing to mark Lisa up this week.
This was based on comments made on ITT. This forum was full of it last night !!!!
Now I only see ITT a couple of times a week so I can't say whether they were or were not favouring Lisa before she even danced...so I thought ..lets wait and see...
Low and behold ..what happens.. Lisa is top of the leaderboard and, I don't care what anyone says, that cha cha cha was NOT good.
Austin is king of the ballroom, much better than Lisa or Rachael.
The girls' dresses are too long and their feet can't be seen. They could be doing allsorts under there. I was particularly watching Rachael's feet (suspecting overmarking) and I couldn't see them.
Austin's paso was not good but no worse than Lisa's cha cha so how come she was top of the board ???
Personally I smell a rat and it don't half pong !!!”
“Was on here last night and everyone was commenting on how the judges were preparing to mark Lisa up this week.
This was based on comments made on ITT. This forum was full of it last night !!!!
Now I only see ITT a couple of times a week so I can't say whether they were or were not favouring Lisa before she even danced...so I thought ..lets wait and see...
Low and behold ..what happens.. Lisa is top of the leaderboard and, I don't care what anyone says, that cha cha cha was NOT good.
Austin is king of the ballroom, much better than Lisa or Rachael.
The girls' dresses are too long and their feet can't be seen. They could be doing allsorts under there. I was particularly watching Rachael's feet (suspecting overmarking) and I couldn't see them.
Austin's paso was not good but no worse than Lisa's cha cha so how come she was top of the board ???
Personally I smell a rat and it don't half pong !!!”
Yes we all noticed it. It was obvious they were gearing up to vote her up.
Originally Posted by Golden anemone:
“You are the clever one tonight. You saw how the long dress kept people watching her feet (even though the dress obscured them) qnd kept eyes away from the gapping in the middle”
“You are the clever one tonight. You saw how the long dress kept people watching her feet (even though the dress obscured them) qnd kept eyes away from the gapping in the middle
”
I had a look and see what you mean.
Not being an expert (in the professional sense) I look at the feet, lines/posture and performance in that order.
The judges, at this stage, should take everything into account and "judge" accordingly IMO and not show any favouritism. None of the dancers are perfect, nor are they likely to be.
At this time I think Tom is the better "all round" dancer.
Others can ballroom better but not many can latin better.
He is quite good at both IMO
Originally Posted by jill1812:
“Karen said on ITT last year Len can generally tell if your footwork is correct by looking at your top line, he would only be looking at the feet to doublecheck.”
“Karen said on ITT last year Len can generally tell if your footwork is correct by looking at your top line, he would only be looking at the feet to doublecheck.”
Well I suppose I have to bow to Len's superior knowledge in this matter.
Do they get away with the long dresses in major competitions ?
Last edited by holidaynumpty : 30-11-2008 at 00:23
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I don't care what anyone says - it was good - very good.
Disagree - imo Austin has been overmarked and overhyped since week 1.
I agree - the dresses should expose the feet - if only to put the doubters minds to rest.
Austin's paso was laughable - it was all I could do not to choke.
With different choreography he might have delivered - we'll never know.
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“ Low and behold ..what happens.. Lisa is top of the leaderboard and, I don't care what anyone says, that cha cha cha was NOT good.”
“ Low and behold ..what happens.. Lisa is top of the leaderboard and, I don't care what anyone says, that cha cha cha was NOT good.”
I don't care what anyone says - it was good - very good.
Quote:
“Austin is king of the ballroom, much better than Lisa or Rachael.”
“Austin is king of the ballroom, much better than Lisa or Rachael.”
Disagree - imo Austin has been overmarked and overhyped since week 1.
Quote:
“The girls' dresses are too long and their feet can't be seen. They could be doing allsorts under there. I was particularly watching Rachael's feet (suspecting overmarking) and I couldn't see them.”
“The girls' dresses are too long and their feet can't be seen. They could be doing allsorts under there. I was particularly watching Rachael's feet (suspecting overmarking) and I couldn't see them.”
I agree - the dresses should expose the feet - if only to put the doubters minds to rest.
Quote:
“Austin's paso was not good but no worse than Lisa's cha cha so how come she was top of the board ???”
“Austin's paso was not good but no worse than Lisa's cha cha so how come she was top of the board ???”
Austin's paso was laughable - it was all I could do not to choke.
With different choreography he might have delivered - we'll never know.
Well Ignazio I suppose we will just have to disagree about Lisa's cha cha cha but I think she is just not a good latin dancer...she is so tall and comes across as gangly and awkward.
Agree that Austin was not good but just like Lisa he will never be a latin dancer. Neither can "let themselves go" imo.
In Austin's case I think the raunchy, smouldering latin doesn't sit well with him.....it sort of makes him feel like he's being unfaithful.
Well that's how it comes across to me LOL
Agree that Austin was not good but just like Lisa he will never be a latin dancer. Neither can "let themselves go" imo.
In Austin's case I think the raunchy, smouldering latin doesn't sit well with him.....it sort of makes him feel like he's being unfaithful.
Well that's how it comes across to me LOL
Originally Posted by Golden anemone:
“You are the clever one tonight. You saw how the long dress kept people watching her feet (even though the dress obscured them) qnd kept eyes away from the gapping in the middle”
“You are the clever one tonight. You saw how the long dress kept people watching her feet (even though the dress obscured them) qnd kept eyes away from the gapping in the middle
”
I had a look and see what you mean.
Not being an expert (in the professional sense) I look at the feet, lines/posture and performance in that order.
The judges, at this stage, should take everything into account and "judge" accordingly IMO and not show any favouritism. None of the dancers are perfect, nor are they likely to be.
At this time I think Tom is the better "all round" dancer.
Others can ballroom better but not many can latin better.
He is quite good at both IMO
I thought Rachels waltz was stunning but the only thing that annoyed me is Lens comment about giving her a 10 even though he couldnt see her footwork. Hes always marking people down for there footwork so i just thought that was a bit unfair that he told rachel he was going to give her a 10 regardless, and the same with Tom.
I hope when rachel does her next ballroom dance her feet are visible.
I hope when rachel does her next ballroom dance her feet are visible.
Originally Posted by moonbaby:
“I seriousley doubt they want to get rid of Tom... more like Christine.
But it was blatant they were trying to protect Lisa. I thought her cha cha was mediocre.”
“I seriousley doubt they want to get rid of Tom... more like Christine.
But it was blatant they were trying to protect Lisa. I thought her cha cha was mediocre.”
As are all her dances. Overrated and overmarked imo.
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