Rachel leaves me cold. Its a fair comment im entitled to make if thats how i feel. I dont intend to upset anyone.
Rachel is no Alesha Dixon
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Originally Posted by rij:
“I wonder if iLoVeMaTtHeW would feel the same way about Rachel if it was Rachel dancing with Matthew this year instead of Christine?”
“I wonder if iLoVeMaTtHeW would feel the same way about Rachel if it was Rachel dancing with Matthew this year instead of Christine?”
I honestly think that I would feel the same. Rachel doesn't move me, but neither does Christine - I'm very sorry to say.
Originally Posted by Endemoniada:
“And you're still exaggerating in a very silly way...unless in your world wet mops are sentient beings.
Do you honestly not see the irony in what you're doing?
”
“And you're still exaggerating in a very silly way...unless in your world wet mops are sentient beings.
Do you honestly not see the irony in what you're doing?
”
Of course not. I was just using personification in order to describe my impression of Rachel - lacking in energy, limp. I have no personal knowledge of her actual feelings or perceptions.
Originally Posted by iLoVeMaTtHeW:
“OMG....how dare Arlene compare Rachel to Alesha Dixon
Rachel does not have the talent that Alesha has in her little finger. No way is she anywhere near as entertaining, energetic, and captivating as Alesha was and will always be.
Alesha and Matthew created magic every single time they took to the dance floor and Rachel has no hope of ever coming close to one of their performances.”
“OMG....how dare Arlene compare Rachel to Alesha Dixon
Rachel does not have the talent that Alesha has in her little finger. No way is she anywhere near as entertaining, energetic, and captivating as Alesha was and will always be.Alesha and Matthew created magic every single time they took to the dance floor and Rachel has no hope of ever coming close to one of their performances.”
She didn't make that point anyway. Her point was that at what Rachel does well she's in the same class. She's not as bubbly as Alesha or good at the same dances but Alesha isn't as good at control or the quiet ones either. Just as you wouldn't hire Rachel to entertain at a children's party you wouldn't hire Alesha to act anything that had silences in it.
Originally Posted by thenetworkbabe:
“She didn't make that point anyway. Her point was that at what Rachel does well she's in the same class. She's not as bubbly as Alesha or good at the same dances but Alesha isn't as good at control or the quiet ones either. Just as you wouldn't hire Rachel to entertain at a children's party you wouldn't hire Alesha to act anything that had silences in it.”
“She didn't make that point anyway. Her point was that at what Rachel does well she's in the same class. She's not as bubbly as Alesha or good at the same dances but Alesha isn't as good at control or the quiet ones either. Just as you wouldn't hire Rachel to entertain at a children's party you wouldn't hire Alesha to act anything that had silences in it.”
Quote: "...if you can deliver in your Latin, two words....Alesha Dixon." The point she was trying to make seems clear to me.
The point I was trying to make was that even though some people may enjoy her performances, for me, she doesn't even come close to comparing to Alesha. And I'm not talking about technique necessarily. I'm talking about performance.
I also have to disagree with you about Alesha not being as good at the quiet dances. She was fab in her Waltz, VW, and American Smooth.
Originally Posted by Servalan:
“Lisa was overmarked this week in a bid to keep her in. And as she was at the top of the leader board last night, I would imagine that she is safe.
She probably won't be next week, however, when the judges overmark and overpraise Rachel, as they want her to be in the final (Arlene and Bruno pretty much said so last week).
The reason they are both getting this treatment goes back to the voting figures leaked to the People last weekend, which revealed that Tom, Austin and even Christine are all more popular than Rachel and Lisa. I believe very little of what I read in the papers, but they do scan against the results we've been seeing.
Rachel is technically excellent - but, bar her rumba, that's all. And that's just not enough for me - or for many other posters, judging by comments on here. Lisa's dancing has gone from strength to strength but her personality isn't engaging the public. The producers know this so are using the judges to hype them up. You would think they had learned their lesson about advising the public how to vote after JS, but apparently not ...
Quite why, however, the producers thought it would be a good idea for both Rachel and Lisa to cry on camera is beyond belief. It did neither any favours whatsoever and probably lost, rather than won them votes. They certainly lost their dignity.
But the producers are too stupid to realise what they are doing so expect more hype about them both in the weeks to come ...:yawn:”
“Lisa was overmarked this week in a bid to keep her in. And as she was at the top of the leader board last night, I would imagine that she is safe.
She probably won't be next week, however, when the judges overmark and overpraise Rachel, as they want her to be in the final (Arlene and Bruno pretty much said so last week).
The reason they are both getting this treatment goes back to the voting figures leaked to the People last weekend, which revealed that Tom, Austin and even Christine are all more popular than Rachel and Lisa. I believe very little of what I read in the papers, but they do scan against the results we've been seeing.
Rachel is technically excellent - but, bar her rumba, that's all. And that's just not enough for me - or for many other posters, judging by comments on here. Lisa's dancing has gone from strength to strength but her personality isn't engaging the public. The producers know this so are using the judges to hype them up. You would think they had learned their lesson about advising the public how to vote after JS, but apparently not ...
Quite why, however, the producers thought it would be a good idea for both Rachel and Lisa to cry on camera is beyond belief. It did neither any favours whatsoever and probably lost, rather than won them votes. They certainly lost their dignity.
But the producers are too stupid to realise what they are doing so expect more hype about them both in the weeks to come ...
:yawn:”
You forget the key question - why. Which leaves your house of logical cards with no base.
There was no point in keeping Lisa in this week and if you wanted to she didn't need help if as you say the two boys are ahead on the hunk vote. That meant Christine was doomed anyway. Christine would have gone against anyone. Lisa v Rachel would have meant losing another good dancer a week early but if they wanted one of the two they would just keep her. If they want Rachel in the final they might as well lose Lisa one week as next.
The voting leak doesn't support your argument at all. Its not necessary to do anything to get rid of Christine or to play with the girls marks when you decide who goes anyway. If you want a girl in the final you just vote to keep her in - you don't support two. If you do have a dance off in the SF there's almost certain to be a boy and a girl in it so you would just vote for the girl.
I can't see why anyone would find it odd that the judges want particular people in the final - they would be odd if they wanted the worst dancers there. If there is anything strange its in their ability to see more in Austin than in Tom and last week more in Lisa than Rachel. There's a stronger argument there for the reverse of what you said with Rachel and Tom being the two to go - there's no reason for that though either.
Originally Posted by thenetworkbabe:
“You forget the key question - why. Which leaves your house of logical cards with no base.
There was no point in keeping Lisa in this week and if you wanted to she didn't need help if as you say the two boys are ahead on the hunk vote. That meant Christine was doomed anyway. Christine would have gone against anyone. Lisa v Rachel would have meant losing another good dancer a week early but if they wanted one of the two they would just keep her. If they want Rachel in the final they might as well lose Lisa one week as next.
The voting leak doesn't support your argument at all. Its not necessary to do anything to get rid of Christine or to play with the girls marks when you decide who goes anyway. If you want a girl in the final you just vote to keep her in - you don't support two. If you do have a dance off in the SF there's almost certain to be a boy and a girl in it so you would just vote for the girl.
I can't see why anyone would find it odd that the judges want particular people in the final - they would be odd if they wanted the worst dancers there. If there is anything strange its in their ability to see more in Austin than in Tom and last week more in Lisa than Rachel. There's a stronger argument there for the reverse of what you said with Rachel and Tom being the two to go - there's no reason for that though either.”
“You forget the key question - why. Which leaves your house of logical cards with no base.
There was no point in keeping Lisa in this week and if you wanted to she didn't need help if as you say the two boys are ahead on the hunk vote. That meant Christine was doomed anyway. Christine would have gone against anyone. Lisa v Rachel would have meant losing another good dancer a week early but if they wanted one of the two they would just keep her. If they want Rachel in the final they might as well lose Lisa one week as next.
The voting leak doesn't support your argument at all. Its not necessary to do anything to get rid of Christine or to play with the girls marks when you decide who goes anyway. If you want a girl in the final you just vote to keep her in - you don't support two. If you do have a dance off in the SF there's almost certain to be a boy and a girl in it so you would just vote for the girl.
I can't see why anyone would find it odd that the judges want particular people in the final - they would be odd if they wanted the worst dancers there. If there is anything strange its in their ability to see more in Austin than in Tom and last week more in Lisa than Rachel. There's a stronger argument there for the reverse of what you said with Rachel and Tom being the two to go - there's no reason for that though either.”
As disappointed as I am for Matthew, I do think it was Christine's time to go. She seemed to lack the confidence to just let go and leave it all on the dance floor.
I agree with your statement regarding the judges perceptions of Tom and Austin. I enjoy Tom's dances much more than Austin's. Next week I would like to see Rachel and Austin in the bottom two. Either one could go and I would be fine with it.
Originally Posted by iLoVeMaTtHeW:
“Well, Orin, I'm not crying or thinking of jumping but the comparison was ludicrous. Just making a point.
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“Well, Orin, I'm not crying or thinking of jumping but the comparison was ludicrous. Just making a point.
”
IYO
Well no, she's Rachel.
Does it get anyone else's back up when they compare current contestabts to former ones? I always feel it does both parties a bit of a dis-service.
Does it get anyone else's back up when they compare current contestabts to former ones? I always feel it does both parties a bit of a dis-service.
The female contestants seem to be more popular when they are grinning and gurning.
The ones who don't gurn-a-lot are described as "cold" or "I can't WARM to her" etc.
The men aren't constantly criticised for not gurning enough. I don't expect any of them to gurn in order for me to like them or their performances.
The ones who don't gurn-a-lot are described as "cold" or "I can't WARM to her" etc.
The men aren't constantly criticised for not gurning enough. I don't expect any of them to gurn in order for me to like them or their performances.
There seems to be quite a bitchy tone to the insults being thrown at Rachel.
Quite unnecessary, I feel.
Alesha was a good dancer, but as another poster has said, made mistakes and was overmarked.
Rachel is also a good dancer. If I voted, she is the one I would support.
Quite unnecessary, I feel.
Alesha was a good dancer, but as another poster has said, made mistakes and was overmarked.
Rachel is also a good dancer. If I voted, she is the one I would support.
I agree, she's not Alesha. Her personality is much more low key and she doesn't have the incredible energy that Alesha has, which earned her so many loyal supporters. But I really believe that in some areas, she's even better than Alesha (sorry AD-fans) - her arms & back are sooo graceful. And Arlene did her no favours at all by comparing her to AD - as soon as she said it, I knew that she was consigning Rachel to the dance off.
I actually prefer Lisa to Rachel but I still like Rachel's dancing. She's just a bit boring (i.e. find a word other than 'amazing' darling, please)
however, I still prefer her to that tit Austin
however, I still prefer her to that tit Austin
So basically the OP is a fustrated Matthew Cutler fan, who's depressed after last Saturday/Sunday night.
I agree with Romus. Why is everyone so nasty about Rachel. She is a good dancer in my opinion and I think I will start voting next week if she continues to dance well.
Originally Posted by yohinnchild:
“Rachel would still have no personality regardless of who she danced with.
Her face has one expression on it for the whole of the dances”
“Rachel would still have no personality regardless of who she danced with.
Her face has one expression on it for the whole of the dances”
What a lot of tosh! I've just watched back her rhumba and jive and there are more expressive 'faces' than you can shake a stick at. If you still need more go back to round 5 and the samba for a few more.
Why do so many posters on this and other threads say the same thing, Rachel leaves them cold. I even heard it said by the female BBC breakfast presenter! so we all can't be so wrong.
Originally Posted by mintchocchip:
“Well no, she's Rachel.
Does it get anyone else's back up when they compare current contestabts to former ones? I always feel it does both parties a bit of a dis-service.”
“Well no, she's Rachel.
Does it get anyone else's back up when they compare current contestabts to former ones? I always feel it does both parties a bit of a dis-service.”
Which is the exact reason this thread was created! If Arlene hadn't compared the two of them then we wouldn't be having this discussion.
Originally Posted by samanda:
“Why do so many posters on this and other threads say the same thing, Rachel leaves them cold. I even heard it said by the female BBC breakfast presenter! so we all can't be so wrong.”
“Why do so many posters on this and other threads say the same thing, Rachel leaves them cold. I even heard it said by the female BBC breakfast presenter! so we all can't be so wrong.”
There is no right or wrong. It's all subjective - different people have different opinions. Rachel does nothing for some people but others love her.
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