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Rachel .... spoilt I think.
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fatskia
01-12-2008
Originally Posted by SCD-Observer:
“Maybe the apparent lack of compassion from Rachel was compensated backstage? It's time to find out in tonight's and tomorrow's ITT. ”

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=bimSpzcaC0w&fmt=18

I think the clip of Alesha from last year shows that it is a normal reaction in that situation. Alesha only glanced across once, with no emotion.
If Rachel had looked across, it would have been taken as gloating by some. She did sympathise with Christine a lot, after the final vote.
BuddyBontheNet
01-12-2008
As someone who voted for Christine I saw plenty of comfort and consolation between Rachel & Christine going on - in the red room, when they were both standing with Bruce before the dance off and after the dance off. Christine knew it was her time to go and Rachel was clearly a bag of nerves which given her rough ride in the competition was hardly surprising.

This is such a mean thread.
grockleprincess
01-12-2008
Originally Posted by Sharona68:
“Maybe.

But I just felt really sorry for Christine who has been well aware of her shortcomings as a dancer throughout the entire series.

She knew that it would be Rachel that the judges saved and as I said in the OP, she was gracious and kind towards Rachel who just stood there looking as if she was going to meltdown, but knowing full well she would be saved. I just think she could have shown a bit more compassion towards Christine who has been lovely throughout.”

Not a Christine fan at all, but thought she was gracious in defeat. I do think it is in somecases to be the one knocked out esp if you were the worst left, you have time to prepare yourself (does that make sense)

But as we have all seen, even then not all celebs have behaved as well as Christine did.
Darkangel38
01-12-2008
Originally Posted by Dollystanford:
“yet another unpleasant thread about Rachel

before Rumba week she was constantly marked down for not 'performing' enough, despite doing better dances than a lot of others

She's had a great rumba, foxtrot and waltz and that's it in 10 weeks - so how has she been spoilt by the judges?

you are also reading far too much into who's looking at who and who's clapping who - you don't know how you'd react, so just stop speculating!!”

Well i thought she looked smug imho, im not a great fan of hers and its not a girl thing, as i really like Lisa and Jodie.

Ps love ya name would be worried but my Aunt Dolly is on my mum's side so isnt a Stanford like me
Dollystanford
01-12-2008
Originally Posted by The_abbott:
“I wasn't speculating. The evidence is on screen.”

my point is, you don't know what the reactions mean - perhaps Rachel was worried that she was going, perhaps she didn't want all the people who hate her on internet forums to think she was gloating, perhaps she was wondering what to have for breakfast on Sunday morning

you are speculating about what her not looking at Christine means without actually knowing

don't say 'the evidence is on screen' - evidence is only ever any use if it's contextualised
Endemoniada
01-12-2008
Maybe I'm weird but I don't really notice or care whether contestants clap in exactly the right places or give the correct number of glances with the precisely the appropriate degree of compassion or are spot on with the amount of sympathy they give their fellow competitors.

I focus on the dancing. Not exclusively of course...but mostly. I find it's a lot easier...takes less guess-work and speculation and fewer psychic powers...which I readily admit I do not have.
Veri
01-12-2008
Originally Posted by The_abbott:
“I wasn't speculating. The evidence is on screen.”

The evidence is on screen, but your interpretation of it isn't. The "mind-reading" viewers do is ultimately speculation.

BTW, you're also wrong about the evidence. We can't actually tell whether Rachel "never" clapped when Tom was saved, because the camera was on Tom and Camilla for quite a while.
fatskia
01-12-2008
Originally Posted by Endemoniada:
“Maybe I'm weird but I don't really notice or care whether contestants clap in exactly the right places or give the correct number of glances with the precisely the appropriate degree of compassion or are spot on with the amount of sympathy they give their fellow competitors.

I focus on the dancing. Not exclusively of course...but mostly. I find it's a lot easier...takes less guess-work and speculation and fewer psychic powers...which I readily admit I do not have.”

Nice sensible viewpoint.
ESPIONdansant
01-12-2008
There's lots of anti-Rachel press.
They can't all be jealous of her appearance surely.

People who say she blanked them.
Not much sense of humour. Simon Amstell tried to have a joke with her about them both being Jewish but she wouldn't go along with it.
She also tried to have Dick and Dom boycotted because they made fun of her and gunged her on a programme when she said she didn't want to be.

Only what I have read online. So it may not be gospel truth. But it seems she's not that popular in the biz.
meglosmurmurs
01-12-2008
When the couples going through were being called out, Rachel's face was all about me, me, me, me. Sod everyone else, as long as I get through it's fine. A train could have crashed through the studio and she wouldn't have noticed. Plus she couldn't stand far enough away from Vincent if she tried, it looks like the invisible man is stood between them.
Even when the judges saved her over Christine, her face still read- 'well at least I'm still in.' No sorrow showed to Christine at all.

Also, whenever a good comment is made about her, she puts her hand on her chest and looks at the other acts with her mouth open. She may be going for the modest look, but it really comes off as spoilt. If she wants to learn how to portray modesty she should look at how Christine does it.

I really wanted her out but the judges had already chosen who they were going to put through.
Did anyone notice that when Len was asked what advice he would give to the girls in the dance off, his voice went up for Rachel but for Christine it dropped and he just fobbed her off with a throwaway comment?

I don't hate Rachel but all these little things just grate on me.
SCD-Observer
01-12-2008
Originally Posted by meglosmurmurs:
“When the couples going through were being called out, Rachel's face was all about me, me, me, me. Sod everyone else, as long as I get through it's fine. A train could have crashed through the studio and she wouldn't have noticed. Plus she couldn't stand far enough away from Vincent if she tried, it looks like the invisible man is stood between them.
Even when the judges saved her over Christine, her face still read- 'well at least I'm still in.' No sorrow showed to Christine at all.

Also, whenever a good comment is made about her, she puts her hand on her chest and looks at the other acts with her mouth open. She may be going for the modest look, but it really comes off as spoilt. If she wants to learn how to portray modesty she should look at how Christine does it.

I really wanted her out but the judges had already chosen who they were going to put through.
Did anyone notice that when Len was asked what advice he would give to the girls in the dance off, his voice went up for Rachel but for Christine it dropped and he just fobbed her off with a throwaway comment?

I don't hate Rachel but all these little things just grate on me.”

Your opinions, evidently. Everything you said about Rachel is conjectures, nothing more. Unless you can read minds or are clairvoyant.
BuddyBontheNet
01-12-2008
Originally Posted by meglosmurmurs:
“When the couples going through were being called out, Rachel's face was all about me, me, me, me. Sod everyone else, as long as I get through it's fine. A train could have crashed through the studio and she wouldn't have noticed. Plus she couldn't stand far enough away from Vincent if she tried, it looks like the invisible man is stood between them.
Even when the judges saved her over Christine, her face still read- 'well at least I'm still in.' No sorrow showed to Christine at all.

Also, whenever a good comment is made about her, she puts her hand on her chest and looks at the other acts with her mouth open. She may be going for the modest look, but it really comes off as spoilt. If she wants to learn how to portray modesty she should look at how Christine does it.

I really wanted her out but the judges had already chosen who they were going to put through.
Did anyone notice that when Len was asked what advice he would give to the girls in the dance off, his voice went up for Rachel but for Christine it dropped and he just fobbed her off with a throwaway comment?

I don't hate Rachel but all these little things just grate on me.
”

LOL! Well it sure sounds like you don't like her much at all!
Veri
01-12-2008
Originally Posted by ESPIONdansant:
“There's lots of anti-Rachel press.
They can't all be jealous of her appearance surely.

People who say she blanked them.
Not much sense of humour. Simon Amstell tried to have a joke with her about them both being Jewish but she wouldn't go along with it.
She also tried to have Dick and Dom boycotted because they made fun of her and gunged her on a programme when she said she didn't want to be.

Only what I have read online. So it may not be gospel truth. But it seems she's not that popular in the biz.”

The press has a variety of motives, few of them respectable. Jealousy can certainly be among them. (Jealousy doesn't have to be about looks, BTW.)

And a small number of things heard online does not = not that popular in the biz.
fatskia
01-12-2008
Originally Posted by ESPIONdansant:
“Not much sense of humour. Simon Amstell tried to have a joke with her about them both being Jewish but she wouldn't go along with it.”

Here's that 'proof' of her crime of not having much sense of humour.

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=47Jm7U7X9e8&fmt=18
Dollystanford
01-12-2008
Originally Posted by meglosmurmurs:
“When the couples going through were being called out, Rachel's face was all about me, me, me, me. Sod everyone else, as long as I get through it's fine. A train could have crashed through the studio and she wouldn't have noticed. Plus she couldn't stand far enough away from Vincent if she tried, it looks like the invisible man is stood between them.
Even when the judges saved her over Christine, her face still read- 'well at least I'm still in.' No sorrow showed to Christine at all.

Also, whenever a good comment is made about her, she puts her hand on her chest and looks at the other acts with her mouth open. She may be going for the modest look, but it really comes off as spoilt. If she wants to learn how to portray modesty she should look at how Christine does it.

I really wanted her out but the judges had already chosen who they were going to put through.
Did anyone notice that when Len was asked what advice he would give to the girls in the dance off, his voice went up for Rachel but for Christine it dropped and he just fobbed her off with a throwaway comment?

I don't hate Rachel but all these little things just grate on me.”

this post supports my point perfectly - how the hell do you KNOW all this? that's right you don't, you're just speculating because you don't like her
ESPIONdansant
01-12-2008
I have omitted quite a bit of stuff though that I've read.
On the basis of the journals it came from.
Muggsy
01-12-2008
Originally Posted by meglosmurmurs:
“When the couples going through were being called out, Rachel's face was all about me, me, me, me. Sod everyone else, as long as I get through it's fine. A train could have crashed through the studio and she wouldn't have noticed. Plus she couldn't stand far enough away from Vincent if she tried, it looks like the invisible man is stood between them.
Even when the judges saved her over Christine, her face still read- 'well at least I'm still in.' No sorrow showed to Christine at all.

Also, whenever a good comment is made about her, she puts her hand on her chest and looks at the other acts with her mouth open. She may be going for the modest look, but it really comes off as spoilt. If she wants to learn how to portray modesty she should look at how Christine does it.

I really wanted her out but the judges had already chosen who they were going to put through.
Did anyone notice that when Len was asked what advice he would give to the girls in the dance off, his voice went up for Rachel but for Christine it dropped and he just fobbed her off with a throwaway comment?

I don't hate Rachel but all these little things just grate on me.”

I think Christine has the advanced diploma in shuffling and fidgeting in the Tesspit while others are being interviewed. She knows that it draws the eyes of the viewers towards her and away from the others. Very clever, or very devious.

Or is that just one way of interpreting her behaviour?
SCD-Observer
01-12-2008
Originally Posted by Muggsy:
“I think Christine has the advanced diploma in shuffling and fidgeting in the Tesspit while others are being interviewed. She knows that it draws the eyes of the viewers towards her and away from the others. Very clever, or very devious.

Or is that just one way of interpreting her behaviour?”

Good point (not that I agree with your interpretation) made. We can choose to see the positive or negative in people's actions. It's human nature - a flawed and sometimes very nasty one at that.
Christa
01-12-2008
Who are these posters who obsess over every glance, reaction & mannerism intepreting its "meaning"? I'd say it means you need to get out more...

And don't get me started on the idea that you can "tell" what someone's really thinking/feeling through a TV screen.
moog5
01-12-2008
Although I'm ambivalent towards her as a dancer, I'm really pleased Rachel is in this year's competition, as she has managed to draw a lot of small-minded, bitchy and smug posters out into the open. Always good to see people's true colours.
SCD-Observer
01-12-2008
Originally Posted by moog5:
“Although I'm ambivalent towards her as a dancer, I'm really pleased Rachel is in this year's competition, as she has managed to draw a lot of small-minded, bitchy and smug posters out into the open. Always good to see people's true colours.”

Every year we have a 'Rachel'. For instance Emma in series 4, Kelly in series 5, and now Rachel in series 6. Nothing surprising, but still leaves a bitter aftertaste.
fatskia
01-12-2008
Originally Posted by ESPIONdansant:
“I have omitted quite a bit of stuff though that I've read.
On the basis of the journals it came from.”

That's the nature of news.
Someone saying something nice about someone isn't news, apparently.
Slag them off and it's sure to be passed on (and maybe 'developed' a bit).
ESPIONdansant
01-12-2008
OK, fatskia.
You're right. Believing everything one reads is not the way forward.

Because I find her so dull I admit I was looking for supporting evidence.
I just prefer more animated women. But that's just my prejudice so I need to get over myself!
meglosmurmurs
01-12-2008
Originally Posted by BuddyBontheNet:
“LOL! Well it sure sounds like you don't like her much at all!”


Okay I suppose you could be right. But I really try not to dislike her, I really do.

I guess my post was a bit negative but I just wanted to show how she can come off to a critical viewer. But it's not like I called her any names or swore about her so I can't hate her that much.

Of course I have to go by my own observations as I don't know Rachel personally, so I have to go on what I see. Afterall it's the little things that count.

She does tend to stand a little bit far away from Vincent though doesn't she?
fatskia
01-12-2008
Originally Posted by ESPIONdansant:
“OK, fatskia.
You're right. Believing everything one reads is not the way forward.

Because I find her so dull I admit I was looking for supporting evidence.
I just prefer more animated women. But that's just my prejudice so I need to get over myself!”

It's nice of you to say that.

Everyone has a right to not like Rachel. If Rachel has done something to them or someone they like, I can understand that.

If I find someone boring, I tend to focus on things or people I dont find boring instead.
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