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Hollyoaks: Is John Paul gay? (Part 26)
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mcdenial
23-05-2008
Originally Posted by GEMS17:
“If JP doesn't die, I'm pleased, because maybe we can get an ending everyone wants...(to a degree). And we get to keep Niall. However, I'm fairly sure the plan has not been changed, so if he lives, he was always going to. As for JP ending up with K, er...no. Don't think so somehow.”

Er...I know JP has been acting like a knob but to DIE for it!
gilda76
23-05-2008
Originally Posted by mcdenial:
“Er...I know JP has been acting like a knob but to DIE for it! ”

I was just going to say...Gem, I don't think JP deserves to die

I honestly believe this has been planned for AGES, I do think the death thing was a double bluff.. I say at one point an idea to kill K may have floated around, ideas always get thrown around in long term story conferences but I think this was planned and they just fed a few false rumours...nothing big or major, just a few fake facts...and why not, you have to keep some things a surprise!!
mcdenial
23-05-2008
Originally Posted by gilda76:
“I was just going to say...Gem, I don't think JP deserves to die

I honestly believe this has been planned for AGES, I do think the death thing was a double bluff.. I say at one point an idea to kill K may have floated around, ideas always get thrown around in long term story conferences but I think this was planned and they just fed a few false rumours...nothing big or major, just a few fake facts...and why not, you have to keep some things a surprise!! ”


Clearly they need to up their game when it comes to the MS posters though, right?
gilda76
23-05-2008
Originally Posted by mcdenial:
“Clearly they need to up their game when it comes to the MS posters though, right? ”

oh you.....bet your head sometimes gets so big you cannot fit it through the door
kittomic
23-05-2008
Originally Posted by lollycoops:
“sharon marshall on this morning just confirmed that the petition to save FK has worked and there not killing him off!!!!!”

PMSL at that. Gosh it was so bloody obvious he wasn't going to die. I mean, after JP goes off with Craig they still need "a gay in the village"

I'd rather they bring back Spike.

Love the petition though. I suspect its like multi voting. Very open to abuse.

Ah well lucky Sharon Marshall getting the exclusive.

So erm.........the ending. Ah well it backs up my theory if he lives. Rather relieved at that. Suggests to me that way they will manage to keep a solid fanbase and after James leaves.
GEMS17
23-05-2008
Oh bugger, I was distracted!!

K to die...or not, as it appears...
gilda76
23-05-2008
Oh also, nice timing on the announcement, hardly been a great week for fans of JP/K, whether you knew what was coming in spoilers or not...nice boost!

And I like Jake, if Kieron stays and they can redeem his character (not sure how they can do that yet) then I am cool with that!!
Francy
23-05-2008
Mmm, now posts are getting deleted without warning at all? I hadn't said anything offensive, just random musings... and nothing that hasn't been said on this thread thousands of times already!

Oh, well..no great harm done, anyway.

So, what is supposed to happen tonight, other than Elliot being used as cover boyfriend?
mcdenial
23-05-2008
Originally Posted by gilda76:
“oh you.....bet your head sometimes gets so big you cannot fit it through the door ”

But...but I wasn't talking about me! Was I? Have I been infected by Old Nick's Affliction - inability to connect salient facts, leading to outbreaks that to the naked, untutored eye, seem like symptoms of disassociation?

*panics, looks straight ahead, sees image reflected in mirror - a Dee dishabille while swearing I were sat at computer fully clothed a minute ago. Looks around, sees confessional...screams*
gilda76
23-05-2008
I am guessing people generally did think K was going to die and that this was a good thing?

I guess I feel this announcement doesn't change anything, it still doesn't change the way their relationship was portrayed this week, or the last two weeks, still doesn't change that after this week we don't see them until practically the reveal, right? Still doesn't change the fact that I don't think James is going to be on the show for much longer.... so essentially, nothing has changed!!

Sorry, that may have been a very pointless post!
gilda76
23-05-2008
Originally Posted by mcdenial:
“But...but I wasn't talking about me! Was I? Have I been infected by Old Nick's Affliction - inability to connect salient facts, leading to outbreaks that to the naked, untutored eye, seem like symptoms of disassociation?

*panics, looks straight ahead, sees image reflected in mirror - a Dee dishabille while swearing I were sat at computer fully clothed a minute ago. Looks around, sees confessional...screams*”



sorry love, did i read your previous post all wrong...i am crap
mcdenial
23-05-2008
Originally Posted by gilda76:
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sorry love, did i read your previous post all wrong...i am crap ”

No and yes? Not wholly talking about the K not dying thing, but that MS posters in general are hard to fool?
gilda76
23-05-2008
Originally Posted by mcdenial:
“No and yes? Not wholly talking about the K not dying thing, but that MS posters in general are hard to fool?”

Ah, sort of half read you right.

Oh, I have a worst case scenario for the end of this SL....not sure I want to post it though much rather do the best case scenario!!
tjgmay43
23-05-2008
Originally Posted by gilda76:
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Right, just to clarify what the person said on this morning, that the petition had saved him from death? not that he was staying on the show?

bits in bold - oh so totally agree!!! really, am a bit giddy to be honest, i love that the show can still surprise me...and i do mean good surprises ”

sorry i think it adouble bluff, if they are not killing him off whats the point of him in the first place,,naaa hes still agonner , makes it when it happens even more unseen,

what makes me laugh is people have been having ago at me for saying this is all lime and there fault we have all these shipping wars and i am and others who think the same are being proved right,, to me it evil and degrading and tbh , i love their timing , are they ever going to give us this sort of break , naa we dont count its all mchobbs n now well good luck to them , dont get too comfortable or Crow to much , Bk will have you inhis sights next


as i said last night all this is breaking my heart, at how the mcdeaners are being treated , we are given nothing, they are given everything , okay so we get an SE who cares now to be honest , what a terrible bitter taste, well if they have won this round whos to say they may not get their 'Sunrise ending as well,
gilda76
23-05-2008
Originally Posted by tjgmay43:
“sorry i think it adouble bluff, if they are not killing him off whats the point of him in the first place,,naaa hes still agonner , makes it when it happens even more unseen,”

Oh no, I want to be right on this, he has to live, it fits in with my whole plan
mcdenial
23-05-2008
Bit slow today - me, that is...

But it occurs to me (belatedly it is true) that all this shipping (warring, rivalry) nonsense is just perfect for HO isn't it as it perfectly plays up the triangular nature of the drama to come - JP in the middle, 'past' and potential (awful) future on either side.

Hmmm...could it be more perfect?

It couldn't have worked out better for them if they'd orchestrated it from the start!
gilda76
23-05-2008
Originally Posted by mcdenial:
“Bit slow today - me, that is...

But it occurs to me (belatedly it is true) that all this shipping (warring, rivalry) nonsense is just perfect for HO isn't it as it perfectly plays up the triangular nature of the drama to come - JP in the middle, 'past' and potential (awful) future on either side.

Hmmm...could it be more perfect?

It couldn't have worked out better for them if they'd orchestrated it from the start!
”



I heart this entire post but especially this bit
Sadmum
23-05-2008
[quote=mcdenial;23922627]Bit slow today - me, that is...

But it occurs to me (belatedly it is true) that all this shipping (warring, rivalry) nonsense is just perfect for HO isn't it as it perfectly plays up the triangular nature of the drama to come - JP in the middle, 'past' and potential (awful) future on either side.

Hmmm...could it be more perfect?

It couldn't have worked out better for them if they'd orchestrated it from the start![/QUOTE]

Oh what a tangled web they weave!!!!!!
Never a truer sentence typed!!!!!!
mcdenial
23-05-2008
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tjgmay43
23-05-2008
[quote=Sadmum;23922698]
Originally Posted by mcdenial:
“Bit slow today - me, that is...

But it occurs to me (belatedly it is true) that all this shipping (warring, rivalry) nonsense is just perfect for HO isn't it as it perfectly plays up the triangular nature of the drama to come - JP in the middle, 'past' and potential (awful) future on either side.

Hmmm...could it be more perfect?

It couldn't have worked out better for them if they'd orchestrated it from the start![/QUOTE]

Oh what a tangled web they weave!!!!!!
Never a truer sentence typed!!!!!!”

and for me totally ruining and messing up last years great SL , sorry but JP and craig derserved better than this, FK to be on a paralell, as Craig, na, disgusting, hope Guy has changed his mind and does not come back for this Crap,!!!!!
gilda76
23-05-2008
[quote=tjgmay43;23922777]
Originally Posted by Sadmum:
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and for me totally ruining and messing up last years great SL , sorry but JP and craig derserved better than this, FK to be on a paralell, as Craig, na, disgusting, hope Guy has changed his mind and does not come back for this Crap,!!!!!”

How is K on a parallel with Craig?

Just because JP has to make a choice doesn't mean the choice isn't going to be obvious and clear!! Bit like Sarah last year...... to be honest, Craig turning Sarah down made the JP/C love story even more powerful in my eyes.

JP turning down K after K gives up the church (which means so much to him ) will maybe not be quite as moving as K is not as fully rounded a character as Sarah but it will still have power.

Triangles are the bread and butter of soap but can be done very well.

Don't get the anger my dear
mcdenial
23-05-2008
[quote=tjgmay43;23922777]
Originally Posted by Sadmum:
“
and for me totally ruining and messing up last years great SL , sorry but JP and craig derserved better than this, FK to be on a paralell, as Craig, na, disgusting, hope Guy has changed his mind and does not come back for this Crap,!!!!!”

Tracey it'll be okay. Getting angry gives them solace. Make wonderful, thirst quenching lemonade from the hairy old lemons they give you!
mojo5000
23-05-2008
Originally Posted by tjgmay43:
“
and for me totally ruining and messing up last years great SL , sorry but JP and craig derserved better than this, FK to be on a paralell, as Craig, na, disgusting, hope Guy has changed his mind and does not come back for this Crap,!!!!!”

But he's not on a parallel!!!!! This week has made that bleeding obvious!
tjgmay43
23-05-2008
[quote=mcdenial;23922851]
Originally Posted by tjgmay43:
“
Tracey it'll be okay. Getting angry gives them solace. Make wonderful, thirst quenching lemonade from the hairy old lemons they give you! ”

nope im done its all them we get nothing , so one sided , and another 4 months of this yet alledgedly, theres gonna be no mcdeaners left to care , maybe thats the plan so when JP and Fk do have their se , no one will notice, utter crap, well good on BK and HO , just sent another message of , get lost we dont need you,

glad you all like it,... me, its disgusting

at the moment yes he is not on same level whos to say in the next 4 months he wont be ...sorry,

take it from me they would not save him just for Jake to leave , hes either staying with the show or FK and JP get their happy ending , oh why not,
gilda76
23-05-2008
[quote=tjgmay43;23922942]
Originally Posted by mcdenial:
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nope im done its all them we get nothing , so one sided , and another 4 months of this yet alledgedly, theres gonna be no mcdeaners left to care , maybe thats the plan so when JP and Fk do have their se , no one will notice, utter crap, well good on BK and HO , just sent another message of , get lost we dont need you,

glad you all like it,... me, its disgusting

at the moment yes he is not on same level whos to say in the next 4 months he wont be ...sorry,”

sorry love, where are you getting this 4 months thing? Am a bit confused to be honest!!!

But it is your total right to be annoyed and upset, I would say try to not tie yourself into too many knots over this, I really think he was never going to die....think that would have WAY to much for JP to deal with, and not because he was sooo in love but the guilt would have been pretty tough to handle.

I just think this doesn't change anything.....what makes you think JP is still here for another 4 months anyway?
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