[quote=gilda76;23923030]
acording to posts on here in the last few days since BKs interview this sl comes to ahead in september, october,!!!!, still hate triangle idea, mcdean does not derserve triangle simple as,
and tbh , it is nt the fact wether he dies or not , my point is once again the mcdeaners have had a public kick in the teeth , AGAIN , its disgusting

hang on, i just got home, and i am confronted with the news awful Kieron wont die....

tbh though....im glad if he doesnt, because i always thought the OD pic wouldnt be his dying moment, and i felt that JP would carry a massive burden of guilt over his death, blame himself, and that people might see JP as choosing Craig because he had no other choice, OR as the easy option to escape HO's and all the memories and run away.

so i am HAPPY for that

at least if Kieron doesnt die, that means there is a choice for JP and he chooses Craig and Kieron doesnt get a look in

my only worry is, what if they try to get James to extend his contract for a few months like they did Guy, because the SL became popular, so they may string this JP/K rubbish out longer than expected and make us wait for our SE. what do we think guys?

if he isnt gonna die, how does this effect our SE?
i wonder, was this the planned route all along?

[quote=tjgmay43;23923097]
oh that interview is so vague Tracey! Repercussions from it is all it says, that doesn't need to involve JP or Kieron....the family will have been deeply affected, Niall is clearly involved int he reveal. I don't believe for a single moment that JP and Kieron will be on the screen until October, or even September...truly... this isn't their story, this is Niall's story.

And McDean started as a triangle, and ended almost until the last week as part of a triangle...right?!!! It didn't mean that it wasn't clear who loved who more!!

When I entered the HO fandom I had no idea I was getting myself into another ship battle... I had avoided those for a long time, because I was fed up. I am fed up even now... I am pretty positive we are going to have our SE, but the whole atmosphere and the split fandom really is getting to me, even though I try to let it go. *le sigh*

one of my points exactly, come on folks lets forget it it obvious where this SL is now going all the pointers are starting to appear, this is HO,s way, a slow Drip drip of info telling us to get lost, thanks for the holiday weekend present BK , had to ruin that as well didnt ya,

Aww Francy, but this is a happy place isn't it

Be positive, honestly, best way to be. Avoid reading things that may upset you and just watch the eps and make your judgements from there

Think it has been planned all along, don't think it affects the SE SL in any negative way, at all, precisely because of what you said Olive, there is no burden of guilt on JP now.....

and tbh this is another rehash of the love triangle element i agree, it was Sarah/Craig/JP triangle and now it'll be Kieron/Craig/JP triangle most likely.
i suppose it adds to the drama and emotion and for that i am thankful.
good news is it does mean it will come full circle for McDean. Craig was the one who had to make a choice between his two 'loves' and he chose JP (unknown to JP at this point), and now the tables will turn when guy returns and instead of Craig having to choose, it'll be JP having to choose between his two 'loves, and of course, he will pick Craig.

indeed, but honestly feel it will be an even easier choice for JP than it was for Craig (and in the end it was pretty easy for him too).

this is Craig and JP, angst is ESSENTIAL, makes the end that much sweeter

Well if that's your final word on the matter I suppose there's little point in reiterating what Tara said, that 'triangles' can be done well. And it won't BE a triangle - not in the sense you probably mean it. Surely the triangle will only seem so on the surface. I don't know, I think the SL has only just started building up a head of steam - I think the JPC/K part of it will ROCK the casbah! No, it's no McDean, but it has the dramatic potential to make the first part of the arc - the McDean-centric part - look like a walk in the park angst and romance wise. Can you not SEE that? Now it's JP's turn to choose Craig, just as Craig chose him - but there's so much added baggage now, so many new factors to take into consideration... the angst and drama will be OFF the scale, but so will the romance!!!!!!

Do you doubt JP so much, doubt that once Craig's back on the scene there will be any doubt (here at least) that he'll be JP's choice?

Cos I have to say - that's the only part I'm absolutely in no doubt about at all!!! I feel embarrassed even typing the words I'm that certain!

[quote=mcdenial;23923443]
Ok, for some reason it looks like you are responding to a quote from me and it isn't me, its Tracey..how did that happen?

And Dee, it is like you are reading my mind!!

[quote=mcdenial;23923443]
ah well i hope you are all right on this matter,

Fixed in the edit!

[quote=gilda76;23923462]
havnt a clue Hun, like BK , i,ve lost the plot, okay and Jp doesnt know craig chose him yet, i,m sorry i,m still not convinced , Garden, path and led are 3 words which come to mind,

one would hope, but JP is still in deep denial concerning Craig at the moment, and has convinced himself, he loves Kieron, and that Craig was confused and it was all one-sided from JP's end. but i think the denial will stop more or less as soon as he see's Craig or i hope.

and i agree 1 million percent that angst is essential for the run up to the SE.

I think JP is in denial. I think he has feelings for Kieron but they are lukewarm at best and almost entirely based on sex, that is fun, for a bit of time....but given the risks involved it is a remarkably shallow relationship.

JP is on a learning curve, he needs to behave badly, behave well, behave whatever way the writers feel is necessary for him to learn and bloomin well grow up! He is quite spoilt, I do love him, but he is quite spoilt in many ways, he has to realise that life isn't black and white and compromises have to be made.

And the angst will be beautiful, so certain of that.

Okay, Tracey, hope you don't mind answering this:

You yourself have said that this SL is part of the McDean arc, so how would YOU have wanted to see it play out, SE included, of course - and not fanfic-esque - in a way that could easily have played out on screen, taking other characters and SLs into consideration, making full use of James' talents.

Take your time... (and from Airport - right from there)

yes i agree with you hun

Oh, someone posted that Daily Star article from March on another thread that said that Niall would kill Kieron, I hadn't read it in AGES and didn't realise that it was so wrong in its detail!
It states that Niall lets Kieron move in after the affair is revealed and Kieron needs a place to stay, well that wasn't the case at all.
Taking into account when the article was released, how far in advance they film, the producers/writers knew at that stage that that piece of info was totally wrong so for me it sort of confirms that that article was nonsense from the start!!!

Also it suggests that Niall has nothing against the priest....not sure I believe that really! I don't think he likes Kieron at all!!

It was actually that article that had me doubting in the first place, Tara. I picked up on the inaccuracy of it and the wheels began to turn - that they'd release such a potentially huge spoiler so early seemed a bit suss in any case...

Me too Dee... I thought at the time it was odd as there was a generally accepted idea that Jake was on the show for a bit so why on earth would a spoiler like that be released so early?!!

just always assumed it was an arc , now am not sure in fact i am sure..... no it isnt,

My honest opinion, dont need time, , in an ideal world,James should never have stayed , mcdean should have been put to bed in september, as he did, mcdean should have been closed and done , as imo opinion now it is done, mchobbs has over taken it, in the minds of HO and Bk simple as, for James well tbh, what a totally crap nine. months.


as for maybe they were never gonna kill the priest off any way , and all that the petion stuff has saved him, well trying to be vague, yes HO have changed their minds on it, so it does worry me as to what else they can change their minds on !!!!!all i can say is they must really hate us.

also may i say that months ago , long before it was widely posted or whisperd afew of us did say that killing off the priest would be daft,Kitt and I mostly but we were poo pooed and shouted down , and tbh, it isn't about wether he lives or dies, but the way one set of the fandom is being treating more favourably against the other,

Has Gemma Bissex really been axed from EE?

Sorry, totally off topic, am not too surprised but I bet she is gutted.....I got the impression she really loved EE, bless her!

If that is how you feel Tracey then I totally respect that, if you are right then c'est la vie! However, I don't think this is the case at all to be honest, am more positive than ever - maybe I am the idiot for being so, but really am. (that reads like I am saying I am an idiot, which may be the case but what I meant it to read was i am positive!!)
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Tracey, I'm no expert in television politics, but I believe they write the storylines the way they believe it's right, the way they believe it's more fitting for the story they have in mind to tell, not for a group of fans or another. Whatever the outcome of this sl is, it's what they decided to do from an artistic point of view; they'll do what they want to do. Certainly they aren't set on punishing or rewarding parts of their fandom!