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Old 27-10-2003, 10:47
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but do you think most people who vote during BB actually particularly care, or show much interest in, HMs much afterwards?

yesterday's news, and all that, I would have thought?

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Old 27-10-2003, 12:23
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Iain, by now I have vague memories of certain HMs in BB1 and some you remember - some you don't.
The fact that we all debate here suggest we have SOME interest in BB, I find the concept fascinating, not necessarily the execution of it. I remember Craig in BB1 because he won but would have had to escape from his mangled accent! And Anna of course and that one who painted the walls with her arse and shaved her head. Oh and Nasty Nick of course!
BB2 I remember Bubble put me off bothering and in BB3 there's still a fascination with Jade and Alex. To some smaller degree PJ and Spanks!
There is a difference with BB4 I feel. By now, we are watching a totally different animal (I don't mean Ray! LOL). That they should go to such great technical lengths to assure 24/7 video taped coverage and then "manufacture" certain favourable edits seems an awful waste of a lot of folks time. Which all conspired to bring us King Kamoron, the winner of the gilded turd that was BB4. You would think that as BB4 was almost painful-to-endure we would not be bothered that a painful-to-endure person like Camoron "won" it. The on-going fascination with the 'Orrid Orcadian is the manner in which he "won" and the fact that a huge amount of people were taken in by his facade of being a nice christian person. (There's an oxymoron in that last bit isn't there?). I think a vast percentage of us (I stopped voting after the rule-changing shenanigans of BB3) had seen what a fake Camoron was very early on and just after midway we knew he would win, we could see the remit, we don't know WHY they would want a creepy crafty crofter (ok, he's a fish seller, I was going for alliteration!) to win. So there's an ongoing desire to right the wrong for quite a few, I figured he was not what he would have us believe early on and I wasn't short of evidence to fit my theory.
So just now, I am still very interested in what Camoron gets up to, and what Jon Tickle does, not quite so much the others. Gos for instance; I could not care less as he did nothing, or Scott as he did nothing either. Only regret regarding the others is that Fed got booted out early - he could have really given Endemall a good going over - like his Avid Merrion impression in the Diary Room! Classic!
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Old 27-10-2003, 12:36
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yes - but to be fair, people posting for example are in the minority.

the majority of people who picked up the phone to vote probably don't worry too much about what the HMs are up to for very long afterwards.

yes - I remember Bubble or nasty Nick, but I'm really not bothered very much about what they're up to these days.

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Old 27-10-2003, 12:48
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I do like the news we get here about all ex-HMs and I delight in the ones that hold a certain fascination for me.
I think BB has to have a winner, a person who SHOULD have won and a right swine! I think Endemall choose their HMs that way. But yes, eventually we will all move on to the next villain in BB5, although methinks there's plenty of mileage left in this year's villain, sorry, "winner"!
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Old 27-10-2003, 12:56
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Originally posted by iain

the majority of people who picked up the phone to vote probably don't worry too much about what the HMs are up to for very long afterwards.
Someone thinks they do or they wouldn't get jobs they are hopelessly inept at........But perhaps if they did think about the future they wouldn't vote winners with far right wing beliefs they want to get printed.....Who was that guy who was supporting his view on homosexuality again?
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Old 27-10-2003, 13:05
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I quite like to hear what some of them are up to now, and I find Cameron's rantings more and more bizarre.
Couldn't really care less what any of this years lot are up to apart from Jon and maybe Ray.
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Old 27-10-2003, 18:18
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Tonight I shall be vidding Camoron's role model Ewar Woowar in The Wicker Man.
In view of the fact there's analogies drawn I will be examining this with great relish, or less messy, the pause and rewind!

Camoron Stout! He's not bitter!
(my bottom!)
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Old 27-10-2003, 18:29
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In view of the fact there's analogies drawn I will be examining this with great relish

I don't know.....the islanders of the Wicker Man are more likely to give you a warm welcome
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Old 27-10-2003, 18:35
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I'd prefer the welcome from Alan Whicker I think, the other being perhaps a little too hot!!!

I am actually enjoying watching Camoron unravel just now.
As I have always stated, it was always a matter of time, ineluctable.
I wonder if I too will see the similarities between the Orcadian Oik and the man with 3 trees on his head.
Except I like Edward Woodward.

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Old 27-10-2003, 19:15
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Except I like Edward Woodward.

Ewar Woowar - for goodness' sake, stick to the script! CaMoron did.......
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Old 27-10-2003, 19:22
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Originally posted by iain
yes - but to be fair, people posting for example are in the minority.

the majority of people who picked up the phone to vote probably don't worry too much about what the HMs are up to for very long afterwards.

yes - I remember Bubble or nasty Nick, but I'm really not bothered very much about what they're up to these days.

Iain
It hardly matters who wrote the article,..what matters most is how many people read the article.
It's not as though the article is going to be distributed exclusively to BB fans who voted for Cameron,...it will reach the amount of people who buy the paper.

The type of baboon who is likely to be full of hate and bigotry, isn't going to give a shit who the author of the article is.

You completely missed my point I made about the nazis.
To imply that i was trying to say that Cameron has some master plan, is yet another example of you twisting the meanings around, and arguing with semantics.

Did you do that on purpose?
To anybody who isn't addicted to arguing, they could surely see that I was making a point of how violent people can be without actually perpetuating a violent act personally.
In nazi Germany the hatred was fueled by rumour and propaganda.

I feel that this apparent new "problem" with asylum seekers is a loophole where racists have been enabled to vent their hatred.
You can't victimize somebody for being black or asian these days,..but asylum seekers,..hurrah, it's opened the door for the racists to come out and attack minorities without fear of recrimination.

We have been told since the second world war, that we musn't forget, we must learn from what happened,.....we musn't let this happen again.
We're supposed to understand that complacency, and allowing hatred to fester, gets us to a situation where history could repeat itself.

Racist crap coming from tabloids fuels the flames of hatred.

Your answer to that is that hopefully nobody will pay any attention.
Hopefully if we leave it, the problem will go away, yes?
Probably much fuss over nothing.
Nothing for normal folk to really get angry about,...it's those other people, the racists, they're talking to,....just let them get on with it, eh?
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Old 27-10-2003, 19:26
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Originally posted by maisymoo
I'd prefer the welcome from Alan Whicker I think, the other being perhaps a little too hot!!!

I am actually enjoying watching Camoron unravel just now.
As I have always stated, it was always a matter of time, ineluctable.
I wonder if I too will see the similarities between the Orcadian Oik and the man with 3 trees on his head.
Except I like Edward Woodward.

Yes, it was just a matter of time,..and it's only been about three months so far.
I'm waiting to see what surprises he has in store for us over the next 8 or 9 months.
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Old 27-10-2003, 19:35
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Originally posted by maisymoo
Tonight I shall be vidding Camoron's role model Ewar Woowar in The Wicker Man.
In view of the fact there's analogies drawn I will be examining this with great relish, or less messy, the pause and rewind!

Camoron Stout! He's not bitter!
(my bottom!)
Oh maisy, you're going to love it.

In the Radio Times review it even mentions him as the devoutly Christian policeman who finds his beliefs tested to the limit.
To be fair, the character is basically a man with good intentions.
He shows more an image that Cameron tried to portray. Although, if I remember rightly being a bit hypocritical, his portrayal in the film was of a decent man.

To get a Cameron character who pretends to be saintly, moral, and the salt of the earth,....but who underneath is a lying, devious, psychopathic, evil, insane killer...you have to wait until they show "The Night of the Hunter".
When that comes round, I'll let you know when it's on, which hopefully it should be sometime this coming year.
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Old 27-10-2003, 21:43
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Thanks Alrightmate! That film title rings a bell.
That's not that Red Dragon film is it? The original one?
Oh no, that's Manhunter. Still seems familiar. Anyway..

We've all met people we can "name drop" and basically there's been one or two overtly philanthropic and altruistic TV persons I've met who are complete nasty pieces of work this side of the telly. All a facade. Well Camoron strikes me as being a manufactured composite that he cannot keep reigned in, the fact he hailed from obscurity and was given to simple ways.
My *rse! He's a twisted and shallow creature and pastes over this with glib snatches of biblical reference and supposed naive antiquated and anachronistic utterings. Problem is, he's crap at it and his true inner self is manifest.
Goethe would have a field day with him. Maybe even a field WEEK! LOL!!
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Old 28-10-2003, 08:24
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Originally posted by Alrightmate
It hardly matters who wrote the article,..what matters most is how many people read the article.
It's not as though the article is going to be distributed exclusively to BB fans who voted for Cameron,...it will reach the amount of people who buy the paper.

The type of baboon who is likely to be full of hate and bigotry, isn't going to give a shit who the author of the article is.

You completely missed my point I made about the nazis.
To imply that i was trying to say that Cameron has some master plan, is yet another example of you twisting the meanings around, and arguing with semantics.

Did you do that on purpose?
To anybody who isn't addicted to arguing, they could surely see that I was making a point of how violent people can be without actually perpetuating a violent act personally.
In nazi Germany the hatred was fueled by rumour and propaganda.
ok - fair enough I accept and agree with all that about crap in the press influencing people etc - fair enough to draw parallels between the current situation - ie asylum seekers being an issue, and related negative propaganda in the press, to similar propaganda in Germany in the 30s and 40s - but you did specifically say *I'm going to compare him to the nazis*. so yes - mistakenly or otherwise, I took that to be your point.

I feel that this apparent new "problem" with asylum seekers is a loophole where racists have been enabled to vent their hatred.
You can't victimize somebody for being black or asian these days,..but asylum seekers,..hurrah, it's opened the door for the racists to come out and attack minorities without fear of recrimination.

We have been told since the second world war, that we musn't forget, we must learn from what happened,.....we musn't let this happen again.
We're supposed to understand that complacency, and allowing hatred to fester, gets us to a situation where history could repeat itself.

Racist crap coming from tabloids fuels the flames of hatred.

Your answer to that is that hopefully nobody will pay any attention.
Hopefully if we leave it, the problem will go away, yes?
Probably much fuss over nothing.
Nothing for normal folk to really get angry about,...it's those other people, the racists, they're talking to,....just let them get on with it, eh?
I agree with that - and my answer isn't what you suggest at all. in this instance I was merely responding to the Nazi thing.

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Old 28-10-2003, 13:04
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Originally posted by iain


I agree with that - and my answer isn't what you suggest at all. in this instance I was merely responding to the Nazi thing.

It's a shame really...A lot of people take the line that because a lot of people agree with them (I.E. the racist poison that passes as Asylum fact) then it must be true. When someone with a profile...as fragile as Cameron's is...it just reinforces the message...And given that he's a christian role model it sends an even worse message out....
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