I totally agree, Picking Simon is just the easy thing to do, Gary will give her a real career!
A thought: Diana should pick Gary Barlow
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Originally Posted by MontyJ16:
“I totally agree, Picking Simon is just the easy thing to do, Gary will give her a real career!”
“I totally agree, Picking Simon is just the easy thing to do, Gary will give her a real career!”
since when is gary the messiah of music ?
how many artists have released album under him ?
answer = none
how many artists has he managed ?
answer = none
how many years experience does he have in marketing ?
answer = none
how many years experience has he got running a label ?
answer = none
his own solo career flopped, he was a commercial failure and a laughing stock, after a few releases he could not buy a hit record, he couldnt even get in a records company exec's office. Woolworths famoulsy also refused to stock his second solo album cause he was such a loser.
he can only have hits under the take that brand, which he was only 20% of now 25% a part of.
Originally Posted by rated_2000:
“since when is gary the messiah of music ?
how many artists have released album under him ?
answer = none
how many artists has he managed ?
answer = none
how many years experience does he have in marketing ?
answer = none
how many years experience has he got running a label ?
answer = none
his own solo career flopped, he was a commercial failure and a laughing stock, after a few releases he could not buy a hit record, he couldnt even get in a records company exec's office. Woolworths famoulsy also refused to stock his second solo album cause he was such a loser.
he can only have hits under the take that brand, which he was only 20% of now 25% a part of.”
“since when is gary the messiah of music ?
how many artists have released album under him ?
answer = none
how many artists has he managed ?
answer = none
how many years experience does he have in marketing ?
answer = none
how many years experience has he got running a label ?
answer = none
his own solo career flopped, he was a commercial failure and a laughing stock, after a few releases he could not buy a hit record, he couldnt even get in a records company exec's office. Woolworths famoulsy also refused to stock his second solo album cause he was such a loser.
he can only have hits under the take that brand, which he was only 20% of now 25% a part of.”
This relates to his solo singing career, not his career as a producer, writer and co-president of True North Production Company, where he works alongside Elliot Kennedy, one of the most successful songwriters of the last 15 years.
He's had phenomenal success in that field.
Saying that Barlow cannot manage because his solo career flopped is a bit like saying Cowell cant manage because he can't sing.
Originally Posted by rated_2000:
“since when is gary the messiah of music ?
how many artists have released album under him ?
answer = none
how many artists has he managed ?
answer = none
how many years experience does he have in marketing ?
answer = none
how many years experience has he got running a label ?
answer = none
his own solo career flopped, he was a commercial failure and a laughing stock, after a few releases he could not buy a hit record, he couldnt even get in a records company exec's office. Woolworths famoulsy also refused to stock his second solo album cause he was such a loser.
he can only have hits under the take that brand, which he was only 20% of now 25% a part of.”
“since when is gary the messiah of music ?
how many artists have released album under him ?
answer = none
how many artists has he managed ?
answer = none
how many years experience does he have in marketing ?
answer = none
how many years experience has he got running a label ?
answer = none
his own solo career flopped, he was a commercial failure and a laughing stock, after a few releases he could not buy a hit record, he couldnt even get in a records company exec's office. Woolworths famoulsy also refused to stock his second solo album cause he was such a loser.
he can only have hits under the take that brand, which he was only 20% of now 25% a part of.”
actually as a song writer he's had many hits.
Originally Posted by NatalieP:
“I'd pick Gary Barlow, but probably for different reasons.......
”
“I'd pick Gary Barlow, but probably for different reasons.......
”
Me too, wahey!
Ahem. Sorry.
Originally Posted by lectrospin:
“actually as a song writer he's had many hits.”
“actually as a song writer he's had many hits.”
im not disputing him as a songwriter
Originally Posted by rated_2000:
“ Woolworths famoulsy also refused to stock his second solo album cause he was such a loser.”
“ Woolworths famoulsy also refused to stock his second solo album cause he was such a loser.”
Well, I think we know who had the last laugh there...
As for the rest, his label is backed by Lucian Grainge who is head of Universal and so I assume it is a 50-50 venture and Universal will be able to provide a number of capable marketing executives.
I'd actually advise her (in my highly inexpert opinion) to look at RCA. She can sign to them without the legal troubles but won't need to work with Syco.
Originally Posted by lollyish:
“This relates to his solo singing career, not his career as a producer, writer and co-president of True North Production Company, where he works alongside Elliot Kennedy, one of the most successful songwriters of the last 15 years.
He's had phenomenal success in that field.
Saying that Barlow cannot manage because his solo career flopped is a bit like saying Cowell cant manage because he can't sing.”
“This relates to his solo singing career, not his career as a producer, writer and co-president of True North Production Company, where he works alongside Elliot Kennedy, one of the most successful songwriters of the last 15 years.
He's had phenomenal success in that field.
Saying that Barlow cannot manage because his solo career flopped is a bit like saying Cowell cant manage because he can't sing.”
cowell has proven track record of a n r and management and achieving records sales with acts under his guidance , barlow has none
yes a good writer/producer, but thats what he is asinger writer producer, not manager not record exec, not a businessman
Originally Posted by rated_2000:
“cowell has proven track record of a n r and management and achieving records sales with acts under his guidance , barlow has none
yes a good writer/producer, but thats what he is asinger writer producer, not manager not record exec, not a businessman”
“cowell has proven track record of a n r and management and achieving records sales with acts under his guidance , barlow has none
yes a good writer/producer, but thats what he is asinger writer producer, not manager not record exec, not a businessman”
The record label Gary Barlow is launching is backed by Universal.
They won't be expecting him to play the role of a record exec, they will have other people to do that - they'll want him on board primarily because of his ability and reputation as a songwriter and producer.
Originally Posted by rated_2000:
“cowell has proven track record of a n r and management and achieving records sales with acts under his guidance , barlow has none
yes a good writer/producer, but thats what he is asinger writer producer, not manager not record exec, not a businessman”
“cowell has proven track record of a n r and management and achieving records sales with acts under his guidance , barlow has none
yes a good writer/producer, but thats what he is asinger writer producer, not manager not record exec, not a businessman”
This is such a ridiculous conversation. Yes Cowell very successful, that doesn't mean that he knows how to do the best for all of his acts.
Gary Barlow is also very successful in the music business, he has great connections and is working with some amazing people.
My opinion is that Diana will do much better with the talented songwriters that Barlow works with than with the commercial meatgrinder that is syco.
Originally Posted by Alrightmate:
“Apparently he has.”
“Apparently he has.”
I thought it was Polydor?
I too hope Diana picks Gary Barlow (how amazing to have the choice).
Gary will be far better than Simon who just sees the pound sign all the time - ie, what's in it for me!
Gary's more of a serious songwriter whilst Simon's more of a manufacturer.
I think I've read somewhere on DS that Barlow was looking for new musicians and he said something like "Cowell looks for something he can make and mould in his own way, whereas Barlow looks for something that's already there"
In a way, does that make Simon think he's like, God? You know, creating music in mine own image.
Anyway... if you could imagine the kind of album Diana would have if she signed with Cowell (a short-term manufacturer) compared with the kind of album she'd have if she signed with Barlow (a real singer/songwriter/musician) there's absolutely no contest who she'd do better with.
I think I've read somewhere on DS that Barlow was looking for new musicians and he said something like "Cowell looks for something he can make and mould in his own way, whereas Barlow looks for something that's already there"
In a way, does that make Simon think he's like, God? You know, creating music in mine own image.
Anyway... if you could imagine the kind of album Diana would have if she signed with Cowell (a short-term manufacturer) compared with the kind of album she'd have if she signed with Barlow (a real singer/songwriter/musician) there's absolutely no contest who she'd do better with.
Originally Posted by rated_2000:
“cowell has proven track record of a n r and management and achieving records sales with acts under his guidance , barlow has none
yes a good writer/producer, but thats what he is asinger writer producer, not manager not record exec, not a businessman”
“cowell has proven track record of a n r and management and achieving records sales with acts under his guidance , barlow has none
yes a good writer/producer, but thats what he is asinger writer producer, not manager not record exec, not a businessman”
With regard to Diana, Cowell's (undeniably very impressive) track record means nothing. He wouldn't have the slightest idea what to do with her. He uses the same producers all the time and none of them could work with her. They can only produce for people that have a key change at the end of all their songs and sing ballads.
The only exception was Leona where other producers went to Cowell (Ryan Tedder was one of the first) showing an interest and then Clive Davis joined the party and that opened up even more doors.
It's only worthwhile signing to Cowell when he is genuinely interested in you as he was with Leona or even Il Divo. Most of the XF acts have been used as a one off release. He never showed much enthusiasm for Diana, even when she was the favourite.
Originally Posted by lollyish:
“This is such a ridiculous conversation. Yes Cowell very successful, that doesn't mean that he knows how to do the best for all of his acts.
Gary Barlow is also very successful in the music business, he has great connections and is working with some amazing people.
My opinion is that Diana will do much better with the talented songwriters that Barlow works with than with the commercial meatgrinder that is syco.”
“This is such a ridiculous conversation. Yes Cowell very successful, that doesn't mean that he knows how to do the best for all of his acts.
Gary Barlow is also very successful in the music business, he has great connections and is working with some amazing people.
My opinion is that Diana will do much better with the talented songwriters that Barlow works with than with the commercial meatgrinder that is syco.”
cowell can open doors that barlow cant
cowell can get u on the oprah winfrey if he feels your worth the effort
Originally Posted by hannaatoned:
“I am not a fan of Diana, her voice or the fact people think she's a style icon and was the only contestant to be offered a contract by both Gary and Simon.
BUT I feel that if she gets a recording contract it should be from someone who would give her a proper chance at a career. Not to say Simon is not a good boss but the other x factor acts on his roster and formerly signed by him had really crap albums and weren't properly managed.
If she signed with Gary I feel that she would benefit from a longer career. I can't explain it . Anyone really, any company with a better idea of marketing her. AShe ahs potential, if she gets some proper singing/diction lessons.
If I were offered a contract by Simon, I wouldn't accept it tbh. That's just me.
Anyone agree/disagree? Think i'm being silly?”
“I am not a fan of Diana, her voice or the fact people think she's a style icon and was the only contestant to be offered a contract by both Gary and Simon.
BUT I feel that if she gets a recording contract it should be from someone who would give her a proper chance at a career. Not to say Simon is not a good boss but the other x factor acts on his roster and formerly signed by him had really crap albums and weren't properly managed.
If she signed with Gary I feel that she would benefit from a longer career. I can't explain it . Anyone really, any company with a better idea of marketing her. AShe ahs potential, if she gets some proper singing/diction lessons.
If I were offered a contract by Simon, I wouldn't accept it tbh. That's just me.
Anyone agree/disagree? Think i'm being silly?”
I agree
I remember loving Gary when he was on Xtra Factor the year Leona won and he was being all angry and shouty about how Simon had to manage Leona properly and make sure she had an amazing career and not rush out an album of covers
Originally Posted by rated_2000:
“cowell can open doors that barlow cant
cowell can get u on the oprah winfrey if he feels your worth the effort”
“cowell can open doors that barlow cant
cowell can get u on the oprah winfrey if he feels your worth the effort”
True. But Universal can open quite a few doors as well.
Cowell clearly doesn't think Diana is worth the effort, he couldn't have made that clearer tonight. So she's best keeping well away from him if she has other options.
I think after the way one of her family, I think it was her father shouted at Simon 'what do you know' Gary will be the only offer she gets, and I'm not sure he will now. Maybe if she had got to the final, but her fan base isn't as big as he might have thought when he said that.
Originally Posted by C14E:
“True. But Universal can open quite a few doors as well. Cowell clearly doesn't think Diana is worth the effort, he couldn't have made that clearer tonight. So she's best keeping well away from him if she has other options.”
“True. But Universal can open quite a few doors as well.
Cowell clearly doesn't think Diana is worth the effort, he couldn't have made that clearer tonight. So she's best keeping well away from him if she has other options.”
cowell is no fool he knows chances r diana will not have a long career, she just aint special in the cold light of day and will go of the quick sell and make laods of dosh, barlow do all this "real" stuff with diana and chances r she will flop, at the end of the day its a business,
cowell approach - low risk potiential high return
barlow - big risk, low return
"If it dont make Dollars, it dont make sense"
for every successful artist there and hundreds of unsuccessfull ones
I dont think she should have gone tonight, i actualy liked her performances, much better than previous weeks. Still dont care for her personality though.
She would be better off with gary, if she does get some great songs- she has much bigger potential career than with simon, who wont know what to do with her, she will get covers or boring sweedish ballad songs.
The songs on leonas album from the cowel camp were the boring big ballads- that prob wouldnt have become hits as thier not radio friendly. Luckily for her she had Jrecords on side so had access to much better song writers.
She would be better off with gary, if she does get some great songs- she has much bigger potential career than with simon, who wont know what to do with her, she will get covers or boring sweedish ballad songs.
The songs on leonas album from the cowel camp were the boring big ballads- that prob wouldnt have become hits as thier not radio friendly. Luckily for her she had Jrecords on side so had access to much better song writers.
I saw a short conversation when Gary Barlow said words to this effect to Diana.
"If Simon doesn't sign you, I'll leave you my phone number."
Is there any more to the Gary Barlow story than this?
I keep reading that Diana has been offered a contract by GB. Has she?
"If Simon doesn't sign you, I'll leave you my phone number."
Is there any more to the Gary Barlow story than this?
I keep reading that Diana has been offered a contract by GB. Has she?
Originally Posted by One and Only:
“I saw a short conversation when Gary Barlow said words to this effect to Diana.
"If Simon doesn't sign you, I'll leave you my phone number."
Is there any more to the Gary Barlow story than this?
I keep reading that Diana has been offered a contract by GB. Has she?”
“I saw a short conversation when Gary Barlow said words to this effect to Diana.
"If Simon doesn't sign you, I'll leave you my phone number."
Is there any more to the Gary Barlow story than this?
I keep reading that Diana has been offered a contract by GB. Has she?
”
He said ''if simon ever doesnt sign you, i would sign you tomorrow''
Originally Posted by rated_2000:
“cowell is no fool he knows chances r diana will not have a long career, she just aint special in the cold light of day and will go of the quick sell and make laods of dosh, barlow do all this "real" stuff with diana and chances r she will flop, at the end of the day its a business,
cowell approach - low risk potiential high return
barlow - big risk, low return
"If it dont make Dollars, it dont make sense"
for every successful artist there and hundreds of unsuccessfull ones”
“cowell is no fool he knows chances r diana will not have a long career, she just aint special in the cold light of day and will go of the quick sell and make laods of dosh, barlow do all this "real" stuff with diana and chances r she will flop, at the end of the day its a business,
cowell approach - low risk potiential high return
barlow - big risk, low return
"If it dont make Dollars, it dont make sense"
for every successful artist there and hundreds of unsuccessfull ones”
She's still better with Barlow by that theory. At least he will give her a chance and not simply accept she is going to flop as you claim Cowell will. She's not even guaranteed to get one hit album with Cowell. His half arsed approach has failed miserably this year with Escala, Leon Jackson, Andrew Johnston, Same Difference and George Sampson.
There is no point going for the covers album for mothers day with Diana. Cowell either needs to go for it or not. IMO, he knows that and that is why he didn't mind her not being in the final and having JLS instead. He isn't willing to make the effort and for that reason, I'm hopeful he will let her go to RCA where other people can make the effort and he can still claim credit (as he would with Will Young).
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