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How good was Lisa's jive ?
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Sid_1979
07-12-2008
Originally Posted by Puffle:
“And how many posters above are either dancers or dance teachers????

The Jive was full of content and her performance was well above a certain other female celebrity in the contest, she may not have been as good technically but she certainly put some character to the dance!”

I don't think you need to be part of the dancing elite to be permitted to comment on the performances.

I'm no expert but having watched Strictly and ITT avidly over the years, even I have grasped a basic knowledge of what is expected in each dance.

I admired how Lisa approached the Jive with ghusto, but it was clumsy in places, her kicks and flicks weren't as sharp as they could have been and her legs were untidy. It's not rocket science.
ElectraPalatine
07-12-2008
Originally Posted by Puffle:
“And how many posters above are either dancers or dance teachers????

The Jive was full of content and her performance was well above a certain other female celebrity in the contest, she may not have been as good technically but she certainly put some character to the dance!”

I'm a dancer and the title of this thread made me curious! I didn't see tonight, so I shall have to reserve judgement, but she has been over-marked for weeks.
Puffle
07-12-2008
Originally Posted by petertard:
“Saw a bit of the old Brendan on Celebrity Love Island, and they recorded him telling tales behind other people's backs and saying how he thought they were really awful (his honest opinion of them) - which was really embarrassing for him when he was exposed and the tapes were played to the other people on the island. A case of a person who opens his mouth and speaks before engaging his brain.”

Actually you're wrong they deliberately set him up. They did ask him his honest opinions of people knowing that he calls a spade and spade and then they played it back to the group which actually is pretty sneaky and underhand of the producers and was designed to cause trouble. Not showing the old Brendan at all - if he were that bad he wouldn't have stayed in as long as he did and, with the exception of Lee, no one had a bad word to say about him when they got out!
Puffle
07-12-2008
Originally Posted by Sid_1979:
“I don't think you need to be part of the dancing elite to be permitted to comment on the performances.
I'm no expert but having watched Strictly and ITT avidly over the years, even I have grasped a basic knowledge of what is expected in each dance.

I admired how Lisa approached the Jive with ghusto, but it was clumsy in places, her kicks and flicks weren't as sharp as they could have been and her legs were untidy. It's not rocket science.”

I'm not saying you do have to be part of the dancing elite but some of the comments on these boards are ridiculous from people who have gained all their dance expertise from watching a show and then have the gall to come on here and profess to know it all (not you I hasten to add, but there are others).

She may not have performed it as well as it could have been done BUT the dance was full of content and had lots of great Jive basics in there. Kicks and flicks aren't the be all and end all of a Jive and I wish the judges (especially Len) would start pointing this out.
BabbleQueen
07-12-2008
Not very good at all imo. I thought her score was quite generous tbh.
CASPER1066
07-12-2008
Lisa's scores have always been over marked for her ability........she should have been out weeks ago. Dance off three times.....judges still save her........give me a break
BabbleQueen
07-12-2008
That's true actually. I've never quite understood why the judges hype her up so much
Ignazio
07-12-2008
Originally Posted by Puffle:
“I'm not saying you do have to be part of the dancing elite but some of the comments on these boards are ridiculous from people who have gained all their dance expertise from watching a show and then have the gall to come on here and profess to know it all (not you I hasten to add, but there are others).

She may not have performed it as well as it could have been done BUT the dance was full of content and had lots of great Jive basics in there. Kicks and flicks aren't the be all and end all of a Jive and I wish the judges (especially Len) would start pointing this out.”

Spoiler
Fact is - the dance off (based on the combined vote) requires the best performance from each couple.

Lisa's waltz was breathtaking - Austin's salsa less riveting.

Austin's fans are naturally gutted - but them's the rules. No one can possibly suggest that Austin's salsa was better than Lisa's waltz.
allisonbm2
07-12-2008
Originally Posted by Ignazio:
“
Spoiler
Fact is - the dance off (based on the combined vote) requires the best performance from each couple.

Lisa's waltz was breathtaking - Austin's salsa less riveting.

Austin's fans are naturally gutted - but them's the rules. No one can possibly suggest that Austin's salsa was better than Lisa's waltz.
”

Spoiler
Precisely. Am sad that Austin has gone (and thats as a Lisa fan) I thought he brought a lot to the show but those are the rules,have been for two series with the dance off.Its not a fix,its not a conspiracy,the goalposts haven't been moved.. thats the way it is
Suirad
07-12-2008
Originally Posted by Puffle:
“I'm not saying you do have to be part of the dancing elite but some of the comments on these boards are ridiculous from people who have gained all their dance expertise from watching a show and then have the gall to come on here and profess to know it all (not you I hasten to add, but there are others).

She may not have performed it as well as it could have been done BUT the dance was full of content and had lots of great Jive basics in there. Kicks and flicks aren't the be all and end all of a Jive and I wish the judges (especially Len) would start pointing this out.”

It's a forum and people use it for debate,I'm another who's not part of the dancing "elite",whatever that maybe,but IMO Lisa's jive was a shambles and uncomfortable viewing,that is what I saw and is my opinion,she is also very overrated by the judges,also my opinion.

Ellie
ElectraPalatine
07-12-2008
Originally Posted by Ignazio:
“
Spoiler
Fact is - the dance off (based on the combined vote) requires the best performance from each couple.

Lisa's waltz was breathtaking - Austin's salsa less riveting.

Austin's fans are naturally gutted - but them's the rules. No one can possibly suggest that Austin's salsa was better than Lisa's waltz.
”

You might like to edit this - there will be people reading tomorrow who don't know the result, given the fact there's no spoiler warning in the title.
tabithakitten
07-12-2008
I wasn't too impressed personally but I'm not sure it made any real difference to the outcome of the leaderboard or would have had any effect on the result. The marks were okay - maybe a little high. However, if the public didn't agree, they won't vote. So it doesn't really matter as she was in the bottom half of the leaderboard anyway; her scores weren't exactly "propping her up" which is the only reason to get irate.
Olls~
07-12-2008
I have to say that it seemed to me that the judges marked her just for turning up and doing the jive and not making a complete hash of it and IMO its week 12 it shouldn't be about that now.
That did annoy me a little
CityofRoses
07-12-2008
It was alright, not great, I thought the 8's were about right. Brendan back to being ridiculous.
funkyfairy
07-12-2008
It was ok...I'm sure there was a lot of content, but I wasn't sure about the presentation!!!
Diamondlife
07-12-2008
Originally Posted by Puffle:
“I'm not saying you do have to be part of the dancing elite but some of the comments on these boards are ridiculous from people who have gained all their dance expertise from watching a show and then have the gall to come on here and profess to know it all (not you I hasten to add, but there are others).

She may not have performed it as well as it could have been done BUT the dance was full of content and had lots of great Jive basics in there. Kicks and flicks aren't the be all and end all of a Jive and I wish the judges (especially Len) would start pointing this out.”

I'm one of those who gets all their dance critique from watching SCD over the years and I thought that kicks and flicks ARE the be all and end all of the Jive actually. If the kicks and flicks are executed with enough energy and verve then that is what gived the Jive its "bounce" action that makes it so appealing to watch. Therefore Lisa's Jive wasn't very good and in my opinion very lucky to get the 8's that it did. I think the fact that Brendan was bent over double suggests to me he was doing the usual "dancing for two" that is required when pro is over compensating for an under performing celeb. The man also seems to be developing a paunch (just thought I'd throw that in as I dislike the man so much.

Also I wish the Judges would stop repeating that utter tosh about tall people having difficulty doing the Jive. Gabby Logan is tall and did an absolutely scorching Jive last series. We're all humans with the same knee, and hip joints for gawd's sake Good and bad dancers come in all shapes and sizes
bitchy_me
07-12-2008
I know bugger all about content or technique or whatever else those with more knowledge about dancing look for in a dance.

I thought she was a bit hunched, something which others have been marked down for, but all in all I enjoyed it. For me it had loads of punch, and non stop footwork, now whether that footwork was perfect or not I cannot say. I thought she did well.
Cassie
07-12-2008
It wasn't the best Jive we've ever seen on SCD. It was bearable (I gave it an 8) but apart from Lisa's poor posture it also lacked a bit of wow factor in the choreography.
katmobile
07-12-2008
Originally Posted by ElectraPalatine:
“I'm a dancer and the title of this thread made me curious! I didn't see tonight, so I shall have to reserve judgement, but she has been over-marked for weeks.”

I think so too - not an expect but it looked a tad flat-footed and clumsy to me as did her over-marked ccc the week before.
letsdance
07-12-2008
The jive was pretty bad, and overmarked - as most of her dances for weeks now.
samitza
07-12-2008
Even I noticed the posture and I have no experience of dancing. I thought they got a fair score and was appalled to see Brendan march off in a strop. I don't particularly like Lisa but I did feel sorry for her the way he left her standing there by herself. He needs to realise that they're not always going to get 9s and 10s and that they're lucky to still be in the competition.
I thought Tom was lovely though coming over and standing with Lisa after Brendan had gone off to throw a tantrum.
blueabu
07-12-2008
I'm another who likes lisa (but not as much as tom) but thought her jive was not good.

And the only reason I have been against her this series is because I dislike her partner so much. I knew he would crack, the Mr nice guy just isnt him.

And at the end, he was in the background behind tess all smiles again! Someone must have reminded him he could be losing lisa votes!
IvanIV
07-12-2008
I think the marks were about right, maybe even a bit too high, surely from Bruno. This time I did not mind Brendan leaving, because it gave us the funniest moment in SCD in a long time, first Tom stepping in for Brendan and then Brucie caught up in the events when he forgot for a while that he's hosting the show and started watching it instead
moonbaby
07-12-2008
I thought it was bloody awful and I do not care about the patronising views of certain posters on here who feel you can't have an opinion unless you are a dancer or dance teacher. It sucked and had anyone else done it they would have been crucified by the judges

I thought Christine did a better jive but she was not the judges pet was she?
mindyann
07-12-2008
Originally Posted by Diamondlife:
“I'm one of those who gets all their dance critique from watching SCD over the years and I thought that kicks and flicks ARE the be all and end all of the Jive actually. If the kicks and flicks are executed with enough energy and verve then that is what gived the Jive its "bounce" action that makes it so appealing to watch. Therefore Lisa's Jive wasn't very good and in my opinion very lucky to get the 8's that it did. I think the fact that Brendan was bent over double suggests to me he was doing the usual "dancing for two" that is required when pro is over compensating for an under performing celeb. The man also seems to be developing a paunch (just thought I'd throw that in as I dislike the man so much.

Also I wish the Judges would stop repeating that utter tosh about tall people having difficulty doing the Jive. Gabby Logan is tall and did an absolutely scorching Jive last series. We're all humans with the same knee, and hip joints for gawd's sake Good and bad dancers come in all shapes and sizes”


I do find it amusing that Lisa only became offically Tall after Jodie left, though.
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