I believe the AT will suit Rachel down to the ground. Still we will have to wait and see.
Battle of the ATs (WARNING: SPOILER WITHIN)
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Your not supposed to be looking at Camilla - its the celeb that matters to the score!!!
Camilla and Gethin had great chemistry and thats why it scored 36 last year,
Camilla and Gethin had great chemistry and thats why it scored 36 last year,
Originally Posted by Kyle123:
“I just discovered that Matt and Flavia actually got the lowest score last year at this!”
“I just discovered that Matt and Flavia actually got the lowest score last year at this!”
Yes - Alesha and Matthew got 38, Matt and Flavia got 35 and Gethin & Camilla got 36.
Originally Posted by Kyle123:
“I thought Vincent and Flavia were the best AT going, so im surprised by that!”
“I thought Vincent and Flavia were the best AT going, so im surprised by that!”
Well, AT is a very male-led dance - there's only so much a follower can do to help.
But I wouldn't trust the judges' scores in AT (or salsa for that matter) as they mostly don't know much about the dance.
Originally Posted by kazmson:
“The problem wasn't whether her legs were skinny or not...the problem was how she was moving them...it was a technique thing.”
“The problem wasn't whether her legs were skinny or not...the problem was how she was moving them...it was a technique thing.”
Yes, now you point it out, it's obvious, her collection technique was off, that made her legs look bad (well, the outfit also didn't help).
Originally Posted by kazmson:
“But I agree with DavidJames...Gethin and Camilla's AT was the best last series. Gethin did a great job...and it looked as if he understood the point of the dance and the whole lead follow/walking thing...none of the others last year managed that imo.”
“But I agree with DavidJames...Gethin and Camilla's AT was the best last series. Gethin did a great job...and it looked as if he understood the point of the dance and the whole lead follow/walking thing...none of the others last year managed that imo.”
Yes - Gethin "got it".
Originally Posted by kazmson:
“(Emma's AT was very good too ... although Darren looked a bit unsure and was concentrating a bit to hard in some sections.He even looked at the floor
.LOL But it was a fab routine with lots of "content" 
)”
“(Emma's AT was very good too ... although Darren looked a bit unsure and was concentrating a bit to hard in some sections.He even looked at the floor
.LOL But it was a fab routine with lots of "content" )”
Oh yes, I remember that - it was weird, the pro looked like he was being helped by the celeb!
In fact, looking back, I said so at the time, here:
Originally Posted by DavidJames:
“he just looked like he wasn't sure where his feet should be half the time
”
“he just looked like he wasn't sure where his feet should be half the time
”
Can't wait to see the AT's this week - unfortunately I think Tom and Camilla may suffer a bit because the male has such an important 'leading' part in this dance BUT I'm sure all three couples will do a great job and we'll be in for a treat again at the weekend!
Looking forward to all of the ATs next week but to Vincent and Rachel's most of all. This is the one dance that can send shivers up my spine (watching not doing of course) and seeing Vincent dance it twice on the tour (once with Flavia and then with Louisa was superb. Am sure Rachel can do a blinding dance as she has already pulled off both the Tango and the Rhumba.
Tom's should be good as well, ideal dance for an actor, I think he has learned his lesson with the grumpy face and has the dark brooding looks for the dance.
Lisa will come out and go for it as usual , Brendan will turn on the sexual tension and she will match it.
All in all should be a great night - bring it on.
Tom's should be good as well, ideal dance for an actor, I think he has learned his lesson with the grumpy face and has the dark brooding looks for the dance.
Lisa will come out and go for it as usual , Brendan will turn on the sexual tension and she will match it.
All in all should be a great night - bring it on.
Originally Posted by Puffle:
“Can't wait to see the AT's this week - unfortunately I think Tom and Camilla may suffer a bit because the male has such an important 'leading' part in this dance BUT I'm sure all three couples will do a great job and we'll be in for a treat again at the weekend!”
“Can't wait to see the AT's this week - unfortunately I think Tom and Camilla may suffer a bit because the male has such an important 'leading' part in this dance BUT I'm sure all three couples will do a great job and we'll be in for a treat again at the weekend!”
I still remember the training when Gethin told Camilla off because he was in charge that week.
Originally Posted by The_abbott:
“I still remember the training when Gethin told Camilla off because he was in charge that week.”
“I still remember the training when Gethin told Camilla off because he was in charge that week.
”
Ah but last year Gethin had a distinct advantage over Tom - they were both learning the dance together. This year Camilla has danced it once during the previous competition, whilst that doesn't make her an expert like Vincent it may not be as believable for Tom to be leading her as she'll have more knowledge of the dance than he does (hopefully people will see what I mean) - I think this is where Matt Di A suffered last year. Flavia knew so much about the dance that it was difficult for her to let him lead.
Originally Posted by Puffle:
“Ah but last year Gethin had a distinct advantage over Tom - they were both learning the dance together. This year Camilla has danced it once during the previous competition, whilst that doesn't make her an expert like Vincent it may not be as believable for Tom to be leading her as she'll have more knowledge of the dance than he does (hopefully people will see what I mean) - I think this is where Matt Di A suffered last year. Flavia knew so much about the dance that it was difficult for her to let him lead.”
“Ah but last year Gethin had a distinct advantage over Tom - they were both learning the dance together. This year Camilla has danced it once during the previous competition, whilst that doesn't make her an expert like Vincent it may not be as believable for Tom to be leading her as she'll have more knowledge of the dance than he does (hopefully people will see what I mean) - I think this is where Matt Di A suffered last year. Flavia knew so much about the dance that it was difficult for her to let him lead.”
You may have a point but Camilla doesn't seem to be like that. She knows how important Len's vote is so she won't wantto mess that up with him saying "You came out there but I didn't see Tom leading the dance as much as I would have liked. Other then that it was a great performance" Copyrighted Len Goodman 2004-2008
Originally Posted by Puffle:
“Can't wait to see the AT's this week - unfortunately I think Tom and Camilla may suffer a bit because the male has such an important 'leading' part in this dance”
“Can't wait to see the AT's this week - unfortunately I think Tom and Camilla may suffer a bit because the male has such an important 'leading' part in this dance”
Yeah... I dunno, I can't see T&C working with the AT really, he's been so camp over the past few weeks... but you never know.
Let's face it, the expectations for V&R are so sky-high, that anyone else will have a mountain to climb.
Frankly, I reckon B&L will be the worst.
Originally Posted by DavidJames:
“Yeah... I dunno, I can't see T&C working with the AT really, he's been so camp over the past few weeks... but you never know.
Let's face it, the expectations for V&R are so sky-high, that anyone else will have a mountain to climb.
Frankly, I reckon B&L will be the worst.”
“Yeah... I dunno, I can't see T&C working with the AT really, he's been so camp over the past few weeks... but you never know.
Let's face it, the expectations for V&R are so sky-high, that anyone else will have a mountain to climb.
Frankly, I reckon B&L will be the worst.”
I dunno - if Rachel can't show any expression or passion in her face (and let's face it, so far she hasn't) then they may not be as good as everyone expects them to be.
T&C again may suffer with the 'passion' side of things - him being newly married don'tcha know - he really struggled with that during the Rhumba and it showed.
B&L will definitely be able to show the passion - their Ballroom Tango was excellent for that.
Originally Posted by mia75:
“Dear god if Gethin had looked at me, the way he was looking at her during that, my knees would have buckled lol.
Camilla did well all things considered
”
“Dear god if Gethin had looked at me, the way he was looking at her during that, my knees would have buckled lol.
Camilla did well all things considered
”
When he puts his head down onto her chest - that's what gets me.
Originally Posted by Psychosis:
“The other girl shave some shape to them, especially people like Lilia and Ola.”
“The other girl shave some shape to them, especially people like Lilia and Ola.”
Originally Posted by Psychosis:
“Camilla is the most tall, straight, stick thin of all the pros though. The other girl shave some shape to them, especially people like Lilia and Ola.”
“Camilla is the most tall, straight, stick thin of all the pros though. The other girl shave some shape to them, especially people like Lilia and Ola.”
Well, honestly, it really doesn't matter.
In fact, for AT, the more sinuous you get the better - boobs get in the way, to be blunt.
Camilla's problem was her leg motion, it didn't accentuate her form.
I think V and R will be fantastic. I lived her Tango and she is the right size to really go for it. It is a potential 40.
Brendan will go for the Ramps type storytelling I think.
Camilla I worry for. I'm not a fan of her choreography at the best of times. Also she doesn't have the right appearance, sadly.
The Hustle. Such a dated dance I fear for it looking a bit silly. Suited to V and R again I think. Tom may look a bit like a poor John Travolta and all a bit embarrasing wedding dancing. Brendan similar but not embarrasing because he can pull it off.
I think the results order will be Rachel, Lisa and then Tom. Dance off being Tom and Lisa with Tom to go or Rachel and Lisa with Lisa to go. The latter is my preference.
Brendan will go for the Ramps type storytelling I think.
Camilla I worry for. I'm not a fan of her choreography at the best of times. Also she doesn't have the right appearance, sadly.
The Hustle. Such a dated dance I fear for it looking a bit silly. Suited to V and R again I think. Tom may look a bit like a poor John Travolta and all a bit embarrasing wedding dancing. Brendan similar but not embarrasing because he can pull it off.
I think the results order will be Rachel, Lisa and then Tom. Dance off being Tom and Lisa with Tom to go or Rachel and Lisa with Lisa to go. The latter is my preference.
Originally Posted by Lorelei Lee:
“So, now we know who'll be dancing them, what are you looking forward to from the Argentine Tangos?
These should be the best test yet for all three of the couples - and I mean both sides of each.
Camilla's attempt last year for Gethin was rubbish, so I'm hoping she does a better job this year for Tom, who should suit this one down to the ground.
Obviously Vincent will be in his element, but will Rachel?
And I think I'll be looking forward to Lisa's most of all - can't wait to see how Brendan tackles the choreography for this one.
IMO this dance is the best test of skill, chemistry and choreography on SCD, and it'll be fascinating to see how everyone responds.
PS It's my works Xmas do next week, so could someone make sure these go on Youtube? My recorder box is a little unreliable...
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“So, now we know who'll be dancing them, what are you looking forward to from the Argentine Tangos?
These should be the best test yet for all three of the couples - and I mean both sides of each.
Camilla's attempt last year for Gethin was rubbish, so I'm hoping she does a better job this year for Tom, who should suit this one down to the ground.
Obviously Vincent will be in his element, but will Rachel?
And I think I'll be looking forward to Lisa's most of all - can't wait to see how Brendan tackles the choreography for this one.
IMO this dance is the best test of skill, chemistry and choreography on SCD, and it'll be fascinating to see how everyone responds.
PS It's my works Xmas do next week, so could someone make sure these go on Youtube? My recorder box is a little unreliable...
”
Totally disagree. The AT is a highly stylised dance which suits some dancers but not others. I like the ballroom Tango, but the AT with its leg locks (for want of a better word) doesn't do it for me at all. Rachel & Vincent have a marked advantage in this dance. However, if the other dance is the Hustle, all is not lost as Tom will have the opportunity to shine.
Originally Posted by Kez100:
“I think V and R will be fantastic. I lived her Tango and she is the right size to really go for it. It is a potential 40.
Brendan will go for the Ramps type storytelling I think.
Camilla I worry for. I'm not a fan of her choreography at the best of times. Also she doesn't have the right appearance, sadly.
The Hustle. Such a dated dance I fear for it looking a bit silly. Suited to V and R again I think. Tom may look a bit like a poor John Travolta and all a bit embarrasing wedding dancing. Brendan similar but not embarrasing because he can pull it off.
I think the results order will be Rachel, Lisa and then Tom. Dance off being Tom and Lisa with Tom to go or Rachel and Lisa with Lisa to go. The latter is my preference.”
“I think V and R will be fantastic. I lived her Tango and she is the right size to really go for it. It is a potential 40.
Brendan will go for the Ramps type storytelling I think.
Camilla I worry for. I'm not a fan of her choreography at the best of times. Also she doesn't have the right appearance, sadly.
The Hustle. Such a dated dance I fear for it looking a bit silly. Suited to V and R again I think. Tom may look a bit like a poor John Travolta and all a bit embarrasing wedding dancing. Brendan similar but not embarrasing because he can pull it off.
I think the results order will be Rachel, Lisa and then Tom. Dance off being Tom and Lisa with Tom to go or Rachel and Lisa with Lisa to go. The latter is my preference.”
I think you are wrong. Tom was the one who stood out in the group dance and I think it will be the same with the Hustle.
Originally Posted by Spinaker5:
“Totally disagree. The AT is a highly stylised dance which suits some dancers but not others.”
“Totally disagree. The AT is a highly stylised dance which suits some dancers but not others.”
All dances suit people differently - that should be clear by now. The mark of a great dancer is to be good at all of them. So AT's no different in that regard.
But what do you mean by "highly stylised"?
Originally Posted by Spinaker5:
“ I like the ballroom Tango, but the AT with its leg locks (for want of a better word) doesn't do it for me at all.”
“ I like the ballroom Tango, but the AT with its leg locks (for want of a better word) doesn't do it for me at all.”
Ganchos is the word
Erm they're not dancing the hustle at all - they're dancing a dance they've done previously with different choreography and the AT. Lisa is doing the Quickstep and the AT - no idea about the others.
Personally, I'm glad they're not doing either the hustle or the mambo - both have no place in a ballroom competition IMO
Personally, I'm glad they're not doing either the hustle or the mambo - both have no place in a ballroom competition IMO
Originally Posted by Spinaker5:
“ I like the ballroom Tango, but the AT with its leg locks (for want of a better word) doesn't do it for me at all.”
“ I like the ballroom Tango, but the AT with its leg locks (for want of a better word) doesn't do it for me at all.”
Totally agree - although the Karen/Ramps one was AMAZING all the others including the demo on Saturday have left me cold.
I'm interested to see what B&L do with the dance especially as Brendan hasn't done the dance in the programme so far - I think they will be able to show the "passion" needed for this dance, I'm not sure if Rachel has enough expressions to be able to "feel" the dance although it will probably be techinally correct & I worry that Tom will overact the dance
Originally Posted by Puffle:
“Erm they're not dancing the hustle at all - they're dancing a dance they've done previously with different choreography and the AT. Lisa is doing the Quickstep and the AT - no idea about the others.
Personally, I'm glad they're not doing either the hustle or the mambo - both have no place in a ballroom competition IMO”
“Erm they're not dancing the hustle at all - they're dancing a dance they've done previously with different choreography and the AT. Lisa is doing the Quickstep and the AT - no idea about the others.
Personally, I'm glad they're not doing either the hustle or the mambo - both have no place in a ballroom competition IMO”
Good choice for Lisa. The one I'm most concerned about is Tom, as I don't have high hopes for his AT, and I want a Lisa v Tom final.
Originally Posted by DavidJames:
“All dances suit people differently - that should be clear by now. The mark of a great dancer is to be good at all of them. So AT's no different in that regard.
But what do you mean by "highly stylised"?
Ganchos is the word”
“All dances suit people differently - that should be clear by now. The mark of a great dancer is to be good at all of them. So AT's no different in that regard.
But what do you mean by "highly stylised"?
Ganchos is the word
”
A previous poster said that the AT was the best dance to test the dancers' ability and chemistry. What I meant by 'stylised' is that the AT isn't one of the standard dances and it rather stands on its own as far as style is concerned. I feel, as some do about the Hustle, that this isn't a good dance to test the mettle of the remaining couples.
I'm probably the only person in the world who didn't think Karen & Mark's tango was all that...
I thought it was a bit dull & clunky. Mark just didn't do it for me & I don't think Karen is as good a dancer as the other female professionals, plus she's a bit hefty for my taste (in dancers I mean).
I'm looking forward to them all on Saturday.
I thought it was a bit dull & clunky. Mark just didn't do it for me & I don't think Karen is as good a dancer as the other female professionals, plus she's a bit hefty for my taste (in dancers I mean).
I'm looking forward to them all on Saturday.
Originally Posted by Spinaker5:
“A previous poster said that the AT was the best dance to test the dancers' ability and chemistry.”
“A previous poster said that the AT was the best dance to test the dancers' ability and chemistry.”
And I think I'd agree.
AT is hard. Certainly much much harder than salsa, and (I think) harder than any individual ballroom or latin dance.
It sorts out the men / women from the boys / girls - really it does.
Originally Posted by Spinaker5:
“ What I meant by 'stylised' is that the AT isn't one of the standard dances and it rather stands on its own as far as style is concerned. I feel, as some do about the Hustle, that this isn't a good dance to test the mettle of the remaining couples.”
“ What I meant by 'stylised' is that the AT isn't one of the standard dances and it rather stands on its own as far as style is concerned. I feel, as some do about the Hustle, that this isn't a good dance to test the mettle of the remaining couples.”
The two are not really comparable.
Hustle is a nothing dance - even less technical than salsa. AT is a proper dance - at least as evolved and as challenging as any other dance around.
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