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![]() What was unfair prior to the dance off? imo Lisa's waltz was worth every mark and far superior to Austin's best dance i.e. the salsa. |
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Lisa;s jive was awful..........she was way over marked.
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Because had Austin not been bottom he may - and I stress MAY - have survived the vote.
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Because had Austin not been bottom he may - and I stress MAY - have survived the vote.
but that's all it is a MAY have survived the vote you just don't know unless the BBC release the voting figures we'll never know |
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I don't there is any real evidence about whether Lisa or Rachel is most popular with the public. Rachel has been generally higher with the judges so if they were getting roughly equal public votes Lisa would end up lower overall, and more likely in the danceoff.
I think there is a good chance that Tom will be 3rd of the 3 with the judges next week, and depending on the order of the top 2, and how the public are voting for them (see above) there is every chance he could be in the dance off and so go out. I think it is anything but predictable right now for next week... but if Tom is in the final I am pretty sure he will win, but if it is the 2 girls I think it is impossible to say. My gut feel from reading these forums is that there is little to pick between the girls in a public only vote, and the deciding factor would likely be Vincent's greater popularity than Brendan when the the people who generally vote for the male celebrities have to pick between the 2 females (and their partners). |
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...it looked from a long way off that they wanted a bloody tom/kat final and austin even being in the final three would have buggered the chances of that happening,
lisa will once again be used as a sacrificial lamb next week so that the tom/kat pair get the glory of the final, |
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I still think it all boiled down to Lisa's Jive, which I'm convinced was too awkward and untidy to warrant 8's and a 9
![]() Had she received a fairer and more realistic score, and fallen below Austin in the table, he might have escaped the dance-off. Rachel and Tom both had routines that could have eclipsed Lisa's Waltz and the right person might have been sent home. |
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Lisa;s jive was awful..........she was way over marked.
Both Lisa and Austin were given the opportunity to perform their best dances - and on this occasion Lisa's best dance was, without question, better than Austin's. That waltz coupled with the music almost brought a tear to this cynical eye.
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I was glad to see Austin go. Such a show-off and so full of himself. He never danced one dance that came close to achieving what other couples have in this series. He was light-footed but if he wanted to win a dance competition he should've laid off the weight training and worked on his flexibility. Maybe his latin would've improved. But doing flips off the stage and flexing your pecs doesn't really cut it when you can't move your hips, lift your legs or lift your arms above your shoulders.
He was given far too much leeway just because he was a sportsman. He had enthusiasm but he had little to no ability to engage with his partner (as anything other than an object) and never really engaged directly with the audience. We've seen better. I like a Rachel and Lisa final. Tom is hugely likeable and has his moments but he always looks so distressed during the dancing. At some point, you have to lose yourself in it like the women do and he hasn't done that consistently. Lisa loves it and has really improved; Rachel is the only one who brings real lyricism to the proceedings. Austin stripping off at the end was just so inappropriate. What a moron. |
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but that's all it is a MAY have survived the vote you just don't know unless the BBC release the voting figures we'll never know
Then we are agreed ![]() I think the judges have scored very strangely the last few weeks. One dance getting a 7 and a 10. All very odd. Rachel to me is getting hugely overmarked - sorry. |
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But she didn't have to dance the jive in the dance off.
The weaker dance should have more bearing on the outcome. There is more scope for improvement if the lower scoring routine is performed in the dance-off - the couples can really go out there and show us what they're made of. Instead, the rules permit a couple to focus on their trump card all week - and for Lisa & Brendan, this was their Waltz. Lisa won fairly and squarely tonight. She played by the rules. But I think those rules need changing because at present the show is something of a lottery. |
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But she didn't have to dance the jive in the dance off.
Both Lisa and Austin were given the opportunity to perform their best dances - and on this occasion Lisa's best dance was, without question, better than Austin's. That waltz coupled with the music almost brought a tear to this cynical eye. ![]() ![]() The judges tell us she is wonderful, my eyesight tells me something else.......which is then supported by her lack of public support. ps You had your eyes tested lately?
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Lisa;s jive was awful..........she was way over marked.
Lisa's jive was lumpy, I'll give you that. But ultimately the standings were just. |
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That's where the problem lies in my opinion.
The weaker dance should have more bearing on the outcome. There is more scope for improvement if the lower scoring routine is performed in the dance-off - the couples can really go out there and show us what they're made of. Instead, the rules permit a couple to focus on their trump card all week - and for Lisa & Brendan, this was their Waltz. Lisa won fairly and squarely tonight. She played by the rules. But I think those rules need changing because at present the show is something of a lottery. |
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I think everyone benefitted from the judges generousity on Saturday. I mean, Austin getting 9s for that cha-cha when his legs were like planks of wood?
Lisa's jive was lumpy, I'll give you that. But ultimately the standings were just. |
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Lisa is a below average performer and for this late stage, it makes a joke of the show. She has been over marked for weeks and been in the dance off now 3 times....even a blind man can she she does not have the public support. Now why would that be.?
![]() The judges tell us she is wonderful, my eyesight tells me something else.......which is then supported by her lack of public support. ps You had your eyes tested lately? ![]() re: eyes - I wear very flattering specs when necessary - all that fishing around with contacts fair turns my stomach. We should have a goodnight thread on this forum. I'm away to my calm and tranquil bedroom. Sleep well everyone. |
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I think they should not be doing the dance off at this stage of the competition.
If you do the maths Austin could have got the most votes tonight. And then next week Tom could get the most votes and go out if he is bottom of the judges' points leaderboard. So we could be left with the situation with a Lisa vs Rachel final when neither of them are getting the votes. The people are not really getting a say in who they want to win. |
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Er...Austin's cha cha cha????????????????????????? Were we watching the same programme???????? Am I missing something?
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![]() What was unfair prior to the dance off? imo Lisa's waltz was worth every mark and far superior to Austin's best dance i.e. the salsa. And her jive was absolutely awful, again was slightly overmarked. Not that it was the only scandal of the night - Tom's rumba was dreadful, bless him, and Rachel's cha cha overmarked too. |
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Her ballroom is very, very good; latin less so and it was on her ballroom that she was judged last night.
re: eyes - I wear very flattering specs when necessary - all that fishing around with contacts fair turns my stomach. We should have a goodnight thread on this forum. I'm away to my calm and tranquil bedroom. Sleep well everyone. The person who has never been in a dance off. and who goes......duhhhhhhh ![]() ![]() ![]() yes, good night. |
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Oh please. It was no better than Austin's AS. Not saying Austin deserved a higher mark - but Lisa's was overmarked (despite the undeniable entertainment value of her cocking the leg as a dog near a hydrant at the beginning).
And her jive was absolutely awful, again was slightly overmarked. Not that it was the only scandal of the night - Tom's rumba was dreadful, bless him, and Rachel's cha cha overmarked too. You will of course be aware that in the post you quote I made clear that this is my opinion. Presumably your post is opinion not fact.
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[quote=jonah_242;29324862]I think they should not be doing the dance off at this stage of the competition.
If you do the maths Austin could have got the most votes tonight. And then next week Tom could get the most votes and go out if he is bottom of the judges' points leaderboard. So we could be left with the situation with a Lisa vs Rachel final when neither of them are getting the votes. The people are not really getting a say in who they want to win.[quote] These two points say it all for me - but I also agree with the many excellent points made by BuddyB and ElectraPalatine. What I find most striking about all this is that neither the judges nor the producers have learned from the JS shambles. One thing at the heart of that was the public feeling that the judges were telling them how to vote and who their favourites should be - and given the huge amount of bad feeling that caused, you would think the judges would have twigged and stopped ... but, instead, they, and the producers, have continued. The dance-off isn't the point - it's the scoring that preceded it. If Christine had turned in a jive like Lisa did, she'd've got 5s, 6s and 7s. So we now have one of the public's favourite contestants voted off the show. And if the same fate befalls Tom next week, the bad feeling will only get worse. The judges are out of control. Some of them - take a bow, Arlene - seem to think that they are are the official champions of some of the contestants. They, and the producers, know that Rachel is not that popular with the public so are going out of the way to hype her up, in the hope that the public will vote for her, so they have a more evenly matched final. Unfortuantely for them, all it does make their favouritism ever more blatant ... ![]() I never thought I'd hear myself saying this, but SCD needs to take a leaf out of The X Factor's book - and stick to the public vote in the final weeks of the competition. And if the judges don't like that, tough. They're still out to pick a fight with the public - and, ultimately, it'll be one they won't win. |
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Lisa is a below average performer and for this late stage, it makes a joke of the show.
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And her jive was absolutely awful, again was slightly overmarked. Not that it was the only scandal of the night - Tom's rumba was dreadful, bless him, and Rachel's cha cha overmarked too.
To be honest, I think everyone was overmarked. Far too many 10s on all sides... |
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[quote=Servalan;29325788][quote=jonah_242;29324862]I think they should not be doing the dance off at this stage of the competition. If you do the maths Austin could have got the most votes tonight. And then next week Tom could get the most votes and go out if he is bottom of the judges' points leaderboard. So we could be left with the situation with a Lisa vs Rachel final when neither of them are getting the votes. The people are not really getting a say in who they want to win. Quote:
These two points say it all for me - but I also agree with the many excellent points made by BuddyB and ElectraPalatine. What I find most striking about all this is that neither the judges nor the producers have learned from the JS shambles. One thing at the heart of that was the public feeling that the judges were telling them how to vote and who their favourites should be - and given the huge amount of bad feeling that caused, you would think the judges would have twigged and stopped ... but, instead, they, and the producers, have continued. The dance-off isn't the point - it's the scoring that preceded it. If Christine had turned in a jive like Lisa did, she'd've got 5s, 6s and 7s. So we now have one of the public's favourite contestants voted off the show. And if the same fate befalls Tom next week, the bad feeling will only get worse. The judges are out of control. Some of them - take a bow, Arlene - seem to think that they are are the official champions of some of the contestants. They, and the producers, know that Rachel is not that popular with the public so are going out of the way to hype her up, in the hope that the public will vote for her, so they have a more evenly matched final. Unfortuantely for them, all it does make their favouritism ever more blatant ... ![]() I never thought I'd hear myself saying this, but SCD needs to take a leaf out of The X Factor's book - and stick to the public vote in the final weeks of the competition. And if the judges don't like that, tough. They're still out to pick a fight with the public - and, ultimately, it'll be one they won't win. Comes to something when Simon Cowell is more democratic. |
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Sorry, I guessed. Whatever latin dance he was making a hash of.
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