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letsdance
08-12-2008
Originally Posted by DavidJames:
“Austin was robbed.

He's clearly the best dancer and performer in the series - the judges simply decided to rig the scores because they want a Tom vs Rachel final, no matter what.

It's deeply unfair. ”

True!!! But hey, if you were to make money from the SCD Live tour, you too would want the winner to be somebody who's going to be on the tour, wouldn't you? So wouldn't you prefer to have in the semis two people who signed (Tom and Rachel) plus one that has no public support so no chance of spoiling the party?
Makes sense to me. Sod what the public wants.
Cornchips
08-12-2008
Originally Posted by letsdance:
“True!!! But hey, if you were to make money from the SCD Live tour, you too would want the winner to be somebody who's going to be on the tour, wouldn't you? So wouldn't you prefer to have in the semis two people who signed (Tom and Rachel) plus one that has no public support so no chance of spoiling the party?
Makes sense to me. Sod what the public wants.”

You could have a point unfortunately!!! (wasn't there the same argument last year when the judges put matt through?)

mind you the tour is all but sold out so at this stage it makes little difference.
letsdance
08-12-2008
Originally Posted by Cornchips:
“You could have a point unfortunately!!! (wasn't there the same argument last year when the judges put matt through?)

mind you the tour is all but sold out so at this stage it makes little difference.”

You're forgetting DVD sales...
Cornchips
08-12-2008
Originally Posted by letsdance:
“You're forgetting DVD sales...”

Ah silly me!!!!
Dollystanford
08-12-2008
well Alesha won last year and wasn't on the tour

I'm sure you could find any bizarre conspiracy theory to fit whatever theory you have but it doesn't make it more likely

I genuinely don't think the tour would be in trouble this year's winner wasn't in it
DavidJames
08-12-2008
Originally Posted by Dollystanford:
“I'm sure you could find any bizarre conspiracy theory to fit whatever theory you have but it doesn't make it more likely”

No, it's clear from a lot of the other threads on here, the judges are obviously acting in collusion to fit a pre-arranged choice.

Bear in mind that the judges also make money from the tour so they have a vested interest in maximising their profit from the results.

In any other system this'd be a clear conflict of interest. I'm amazed no-one's called them up on it - you could even make a case for a legal complaint based on this conflict I reckon.
soneil
08-12-2008
Originally Posted by ElectraPalatine:
“Er, how can you say he was making a hash of it when you don't know what the steps are supposed to be?”

Oh, I'm sorry. I thought this was Digital Spy, a forum for people who watch tv.

I didn't realise that everyone here knows all the steps to all the 12 or so dances. So this a dancers forum then?

Back off.
meglosmurmurs
08-12-2008
At the end of the day I just think that at this late stage, it's ridiculous that someone who could have got the highest public votes went out to someone who could have got the least.

Rachel- 4 + 2 = 6
Tom- 3 + 3 = 6
Lisa- 2 + 1 = 3
Austin- 1 + 4 = 5

I'm not saying that's how it ended up, but it might have done.
JukeJive
08-12-2008
Originally Posted by soneil:
“Oh, I'm sorry. I thought this was Digital Spy, a forum for people who watch tv.

I didn't realise that everyone here knows all the steps to all the 12 or so dances. So this a dancers forum then?

Back off.”

I could love you. Not a smiley face in sight.
soneil
08-12-2008
Originally Posted by The_abbott:
“Well the evidence is that Lisa hasbeen in the dance off twice before in a higher position then Austin.”

Austin could've moved through the entire competition with a mix of middling to high scores from the judges and medium votes from the public which combined on Saturday night carried him no further.

There is nothing that says he was the public's favourite; you're mistaking the hype of promoting the show with actual votes. Personally, I thought the week he danced to It's Raining Men was a desperate attempt to broaden his appeal and shore up some support. I've never even heard of him before he appeared on this show.
ElectraPalatine
08-12-2008
Originally Posted by soneil:
“Oh, I'm sorry. I thought this was Digital Spy, a forum for people who watch tv.

I didn't realise that everyone here knows all the steps to all the 12 or so dances. So this a dancers forum then?

Back off.”

So it is! But you weren't saying 'he didn't seem very elegant or very good' or 'I didn't like it'. You were asserting, based on absolutely no knowledge - not even being aware what he was doing - that he wasn't good at it. You must surely see that is a little off the mark? Difference between a statement of fact and a statement of opinion.

Back off? Have I touched a nerve? Dear me! I am sorry.
DavidJames
08-12-2008
Originally Posted by meglosmurmurs:
“At the end of the day I just think that at this late stage, it's ridiculous that someone who could have got the highest public votes went out to someone who could have got the least. ”

Totally.

Come Back Austin! We love you!
frockwitch
08-12-2008
Originally Posted by Muinimula:
“The judges judge the dancing, because they're judges, so their job is to judge the dancing. They judged that Lisa danced better than Austin tonight, and I agree with them.

I agree that Austin was very good, and did some great performances over the series, but last night he wasn't quite good enough.”

Excellent reply and I agree with you completely.
Passoa
08-12-2008
I'm not an Austin fan, but Lisa and Rachel have been waaaaay overmarked for the past few weeks continuously. I am a ballet dancer and while not having done much ballroom or latin, do have some understanding of it, especially when it comes down to the general dancing points.

Lisa should've gone home ages ago and also Rachel has been way overmarked (Len *I can't see your feet so I'll just assume it was perfect* giving a 10)
Tissy
08-12-2008
Originally Posted by DavidJames:
“Totally.

Come Back Austin! We love you!”

BuddyBontheNet
08-12-2008
Originally Posted by DavidJames:
“Totally.

Come Back Austin! We love you!”

Bad, bad, bad...
pickledgherkin
08-12-2008
Originally Posted by Larkenn:
“It's a disgrace that Austin has gone. The judges have been gunning for him now that they couldnt knock out Tom. They are so desparate for Rachel to be in the final that they have pushed out the best dancer in the entire competition. Austin has been robbed and doesnt he know it. They all know it - the look on Brendans face at the end, he knows Lisa should have gone home. Even Arlene looked guilty when she gave a standing ovation at the end. This years judging has been a shambles, an absolute disgrace to their profession and I hope they all get their marching orders next year.”

This is just a matter of opinion.
Personally I think that Rachel is overall the better dancer.
Why would the judges want Austin to go when they have liked him so much?
Austin was very good. It's just unfortunate that on the night others were a bit better.
CASPER1066
08-12-2008
well the do say ignorance is bliss.................
youold lush
08-12-2008
the problem is an unfair platform for the dance off
how can you compare a salsa to a waltz,
this has to addressed before the next series.
to be honest I do think the series when we had only 2 dances a week better you could see who was improving and those that were not.
to have a waltz at this late stage with all the training under your belt a bit easy look at Matt d last year.
Sort it out BBC
Servalan
08-12-2008
Originally Posted by Tissy:
“As long as he comes 1st or 2nd on the LB he`s safe for the final.

It`ll be interesting to see what happens if Tom is last on the LB and ends up in the bottom two. Do the judges put him through to make it the most predictable final in the history of SCD?”

Or, instead, would they rather get rid of the contestant who appears to have the most public support - by a significant margin now, if the leaked figures are anywhere near accurate - and have a final which will have many loyal SCD viewers not even bothering to tune in?

Obviously everything will hinge on the performances next week, but for the judges to deliberately over-/under-mark so that Tom is sent off will send a very clear signal to the public that their opinions aren't required - unless they chime with the judges'.

To play that game once with JS was incredibly stupid, twice with Austin was madness - to do it a third time would be certifiable ... Maybe they should just scrap the public vote, let the judges decide each week and watch the ratings die?
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