He didn't make the progress that some others did, so he was always going to be overtaken. And he was looking knackered.
But his speech was really gallant.
Alan
But his speech was really gallant.
Alan
Erin blew it (again)
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How are the judges 'protecting' some contestants (e.g. Rachel) Surely you can be top of the leaderboard on the judges marks and yet, with only four contestants, still be in the dance off??
Originally Posted by Kelebek:
“How are the judges 'protecting' some contestants (e.g. Rachel) Surely you can be top of the leaderboard on the judges marks and yet, with only four contestants, still be in the dance off??”
“How are the judges 'protecting' some contestants (e.g. Rachel) Surely you can be top of the leaderboard on the judges marks and yet, with only four contestants, still be in the dance off??”
By over-marking certain people and under-marking others. It's all a matter of opinion though as, most of us here, (I assume) are not experts in the dance field.
Originally Posted by Kelebek:
“How are the judges 'protecting' some contestants (e.g. Rachel) Surely you can be top of the leader board on the judges marks and yet, with only four contestants, still be in the dance off??”
“How are the judges 'protecting' some contestants (e.g. Rachel) Surely you can be top of the leader board on the judges marks and yet, with only four contestants, still be in the dance off??”
Yes you can - but if you look at the possible combinations of votes there are 24 different possible results - and in all but 6 combinations the bottom placed ends up in the dance off.
Rachel & Vincent - 6 possibilities of ending in the dance off
Tom & Camilla - 10 possibilities of ending in the dance off
Lisa & Brendan - 14 possibilities of ending in the dance off
Austin & Erin - 18 possibilities of ending in the dance off
I didn't like any of Austin and Erin's dances, but I was looking forward to their AS because I loved Colin and Erin's AS. It needed to be a WOW dance because at this stage it needed to be. What I saw was it lacked performance and the wow factor was only at the end with the last two lifts.
TBH I think the judges should have told Austin to work on his performance in ballroom a long time ago.
TBH I think the judges should have told Austin to work on his performance in ballroom a long time ago.
Originally Posted by ealingkid:
“I blame Austin's exit on Erin.
She had one of the best male celebs there's ever been in the show and yet she still failed to get him to the final.
The reson? Crap choreagraphy on the American Smooth this week. The judges said it lacked sparkle and they were right, but it had little to do with Austin's dancing...it was just a lacklustre routine. Erin has to take the rapfor Austin going out ahead of time.”
“I blame Austin's exit on Erin.
She had one of the best male celebs there's ever been in the show and yet she still failed to get him to the final.
The reson? Crap choreagraphy on the American Smooth this week. The judges said it lacked sparkle and they were right, but it had little to do with Austin's dancing...it was just a lacklustre routine. Erin has to take the rapfor Austin going out ahead of time.”
You know what you sound just like GRH on this morning's Breakfast - total utter load of tosh!
Erin's disappointment was really evident and I think this thread is really mean!
How can you start such a thread; as I have said on a previous message, a thread like this is like pouring salt into the wounds!!!!!
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“The judges have been overmarking Rachel and Lisa for the past two weeks and this was his downfall”
“The judges have been overmarking Rachel and Lisa for the past two weeks and this was his downfall”
The judges have been overmarking Austin all through the series and complaining about being tired is rubbish. Lisa is tired too, she's up at 4.00am for her TV show and Austin is a fit sports star.
Also if he'd kept his shirt fastened he might have got more votes, the viewers were fed up with his bare chest. Tom has more sex in his little finger than Austin has.
Austin has 4 young daughters and is a good dad. He may be super-fit and a hard worker, but if you get to a point where you have burned yourself out, you have no time to take the rest you need to recover.
I think that it is a possibility he just burned himself out.
I cant think of another celeb who had a similar family situation. I think if that is the reason, more credit to Austin - thats an admirable trait in my book.
I think that it is a possibility he just burned himself out.
I cant think of another celeb who had a similar family situation. I think if that is the reason, more credit to Austin - thats an admirable trait in my book.
Erin's choreography has been one of the highlights for me this series. I do agree that their American Smooth wasn't as exciting as I'd hoped but as we saw in practice Austin had some trouble with the lifts. Maybe fatskia is right and he'd burned himself out and Erin choreographed her dances for him accordingly.
I do think Erin did scupper Colin Jackson's chances with a dreadful show dance, but I really do not think she is at all to blame for Austin going, and I think she has given us (and him) some really memorable routines this year.
I do think Erin did scupper Colin Jackson's chances with a dreadful show dance, but I really do not think she is at all to blame for Austin going, and I think she has given us (and him) some really memorable routines this year.
Originally Posted by Saturn:
“Dummies or no dummies Darren would have won series 3 anyway!!”
“Dummies or no dummies Darren would have won series 3 anyway!!”
No, without the dummies Colin would have won. And by rights Darren should have been in third place with Zoe & Colin battling it out for first.
I agree that this AS wasn't as exciting as the one Erin did with Colin - but the real problem that Austin seemed exhausted & didn't have as much energy & sparkle as previously. I think he just got really knackered.
Originally Posted by fatskia:
“Austin has 4 young daughters and is a good dad. He may be super-fit and a hard worker, but if you get to a point where you have burned yourself out, you have no time to take the rest you need to recover.
I think that it is a possibility he just burned himself out.
I cant think of another celeb who had a similar family situation. I think if that is the reason, more credit to Austin - thats an admirable trait in my book.”
“Austin has 4 young daughters and is a good dad. He may be super-fit and a hard worker, but if you get to a point where you have burned yourself out, you have no time to take the rest you need to recover.
I think that it is a possibility he just burned himself out.
I cant think of another celeb who had a similar family situation. I think if that is the reason, more credit to Austin - thats an admirable trait in my book.”
When Tom was talking about his wedding being a distraction, posters kept saying they didn't want to hear his excuses and that he should have not taken part this year if it was such a big deal. Similarly, if the tiredness was such a big deal, Austin could have waited until his kids were older.
Originally Posted by Blink74:
“You know what you sound just like GRH on this morning's Breakfast - total utter load of tosh!
Erin's disappointment was really evident and I think this thread is really mean! How can you start such a thread; as I have said on a previous message, a thread like this is like pouring salt into the wounds!!!!!”
“You know what you sound just like GRH on this morning's Breakfast - total utter load of tosh!
Erin's disappointment was really evident and I think this thread is really mean!
How can you start such a thread; as I have said on a previous message, a thread like this is like pouring salt into the wounds!!!!!”
While I think threads criticising the professionals' physical appearance are out of order, discussing (poor) choreography etc. is part and parcel of dicussions about dance on a public forum. We can't all avoid discussion in case Erin happens to log into this fourm (I'm sure she has better things to do with her time).
[quote=Shappy;29332001]When Tom was talking about his wedding being a distraction, posters kept saying they didn't want to hear his excuses and that he should have not taken part this year if it was such a big deal. Similarly, if the tiredness was such a big deal, Austin could have waited until his kids were older.[quote]
Austin is not one to make excuses, and probably did not forsee a possible burnout. You cant then have the semi-final on hold until Austin's children grow up, or he has a weeks rest.
Austin is not one to make excuses, and probably did not forsee a possible burnout. You cant then have the semi-final on hold until Austin's children grow up, or he has a weeks rest.
This thread is really unfair! OP is showing incredible bad form in starting a thread like this!
How can anyone say that the reason Austin isn't in the Semis is because of bad choreography on Erin's part!
The pro dancers work their backsides off week by week to produce dances for their celebrities that they think they are going to be good at but more importantly - enjoy.
Austin was tired, he admitted that and to sit here and slate Erin for choreographing some routines for him that weren't "showwy or memorable" enough is beyond belief.
The question remains...Could YOU choreograph a better set of dances?
Leave her alone, she was gutted enough on the night as it was without stupid comments like this being branded 'round!
Erin's choreography was ace. Austin danced very well on Saturday night and got good marks. It was just unfortunate for him that the others did a little better. That's life.
I don't believe that Erin's choreography was the downfall of Austin and Erin. It was a number of factors. Firstly, they were knackered and secondly the others got better scores, which may have impacted on the viewing public but ultimately the decision lay with the judges. Erin is a great teacher, a brilliant dancer and seems like an all round lovely person.
Originally Posted by Kienaide Niji:
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This thread is really unfair! OP is showing incredible bad form in starting a thread like this!
How can anyone say that the reason Austin isn't in the Semis is because of bad choreography on Erin's part!
The pro dancers work their backsides off week by week to produce dances for their celebrities that they think they are going to be good at but more importantly - enjoy.
Austin was tired, he admitted that and to sit here and slate Erin for choreographing some routines for him that weren't "showwy or memorable" enough is beyond belief.
The question remains...Could YOU choreograph a better set of dances?
Leave her alone, she was gutted enough on the night as it was without stupid comments like this being branded 'round!”
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This thread is really unfair! OP is showing incredible bad form in starting a thread like this!
How can anyone say that the reason Austin isn't in the Semis is because of bad choreography on Erin's part!
The pro dancers work their backsides off week by week to produce dances for their celebrities that they think they are going to be good at but more importantly - enjoy.
Austin was tired, he admitted that and to sit here and slate Erin for choreographing some routines for him that weren't "showwy or memorable" enough is beyond belief.
The question remains...Could YOU choreograph a better set of dances?
Leave her alone, she was gutted enough on the night as it was without stupid comments like this being branded 'round!”
This is a dance competition, Erin is a professional, so she should be able to take criticsm. The AS was lame, and yes I could have choreographed a better AS.
For a start this is the first dance of the quarters you need to go out and grab the audience and judges. You have two lifts the first one should be have been as near the beginning as possible, this helps create a buzz and get the atmosphere going. To save the 2 lifts till the end was a waste of opportunity. There should have been a few different moves, very samey all the way through. She was lucky with Austin in that he seemed to pick up dances very quickly, he has a good sense of timing and is quite light on his feet, and she should have taken advantage of that.
The Salsa was woeful, I know the professionals don't dance the salsa, but for crying out loud this is 2008, they have salsa clubs, you tube and everything, learn.
I like Erin but choreography is not her strong point.
Complete rubbish. Erins choreography has been superb. She plays to the strength of her celeb, and she doesnt show off like some of the other pros.
This thread shouldnt have been started its nasty and vindictive - god knows why i lowereed myself to post in it, but this is just so pathetic. Erin doesnt deserve the sort of rubbish being posted.
She was gutted Saturday night, will undoubtedly be blaming herself - which she has no reason to do. The Darren versus Colin scenario comes up again, Darren had won that show well before the final dance, he was a bloke and danced like one people loved it!!!!
This thread shouldnt have been started its nasty and vindictive - god knows why i lowereed myself to post in it, but this is just so pathetic. Erin doesnt deserve the sort of rubbish being posted.
She was gutted Saturday night, will undoubtedly be blaming herself - which she has no reason to do. The Darren versus Colin scenario comes up again, Darren had won that show well before the final dance, he was a bloke and danced like one people loved it!!!!
Originally Posted by Dollystanford:
“but she'd still have been doing her waltz and he'd be doing the salsa, so she still would have beat him
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“but she'd still have been doing her waltz and he'd be doing the salsa, so she still would have beat him
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Hi Dolly
It was mathematically possible for Austin to avoid the dance-off if he'd finished second from bottom.
And both Rachel and Tom had dances that were potentially better than Lisa's Waltz.
The outcome of this weekend could have been so different. It all boils down to the generous marks Lisa was awarded for a rather under-rehearsed and untidy Jive.
Originally Posted by Sid_1979:
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The outcome of this weekend could have been so different. It all boils down to the generous marks Lisa was awarded for a rather under-rehearsed and untidy Jive.”
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The outcome of this weekend could have been so different. It all boils down to the generous marks Lisa was awarded for a rather under-rehearsed and untidy Jive.”
well, I thought Austin's marks for his salsa were also generous. I agree Lisa's jive was a bit untidy but it was much better than I was expecting
I generally agree with the leaderboard by the end of the show however much I don't agree with the marks and I did this week too
Originally Posted by kassieq:
“This is a dance competition, Erin is a professional, so she should be able to take criticsm. The AS was lame, and yes I could have choreographed a better AS.”
“This is a dance competition, Erin is a professional, so she should be able to take criticsm. The AS was lame, and yes I could have choreographed a better AS.”
Yes, the choreography was a bit strange. Why didn't she put a bit more excitement into it, earlier on? Why save all the good stuff until the last 20 seconds or so? By that time, we'd all got too bored with it.
A lift in the middle or even at the start would have helped I think.
Originally Posted by kassieq:
“The Salsa was woeful, I know the professionals don't dance the salsa, but for crying out loud this is 2008, they have salsa clubs, you tube and everything, learn.”
“The Salsa was woeful, I know the professionals don't dance the salsa, but for crying out loud this is 2008, they have salsa clubs, you tube and everything, learn.”
Yes, it's pitiful to see the quality of salsa dancing on SCD. The only decent dances have been when they ignore the salsa and try to do samba instead.
Originally Posted by ealingkid:
“I blame Austin's exit on Erin.
She had one of the best male celebs there's ever been in the show and yet she still failed to get him to the final.
The reson? Crap choreagraphy on the American Smooth this week. The judges said it lacked sparkle and they were right, but it had little to do with Austin's dancing...it was just a lacklustre routine. Erin has to take the rapfor Austin going out ahead of time.”
“I blame Austin's exit on Erin.
She had one of the best male celebs there's ever been in the show and yet she still failed to get him to the final.
The reson? Crap choreagraphy on the American Smooth this week. The judges said it lacked sparkle and they were right, but it had little to do with Austin's dancing...it was just a lacklustre routine. Erin has to take the rapfor Austin going out ahead of time.”
I do agree with you, the salsa was not right and 'jolty' in place, like when they did the body-bumping thing. She didnt seem to put in as much effort as she did on the ballroom.
If she made him watch a Fred Astaire film then she should have taken notes herself!
Tom's AS was vastly better. In fact, I think Austin's was the worst this series. Not necessarily the worst-executed but the lamest creatively.
How is that possible?
Tom's AS was vastly better. In fact, I think Austin's was the worst this series. Not necessarily the worst-executed but the lamest creatively.
How is that possible?
Originally Posted by DavidJames:
“Yes, the choreography was a bit strange. Why didn't she put a bit more excitement into it, earlier on? Why save all the good stuff until the last 20 seconds or so? By that time, we'd all got too bored with it.
A lift in the middle or even at the start would have helped I think.”
“Yes, the choreography was a bit strange. Why didn't she put a bit more excitement into it, earlier on? Why save all the good stuff until the last 20 seconds or so? By that time, we'd all got too bored with it.
A lift in the middle or even at the start would have helped I think.”
It's speculation, but I think Austin was preoccupied by the lifts and only 'going through the motions' up until the first lift. So if they'd done a lift earlier, not only would it have been good for the people watching, but I think it would have been better for getting Austin properly into the routine as well.
I was disappointed by the lifts as well, to be honest: the entrances and exits were very laboured.
Originally Posted by ealingkid:
“I blame Austin's exit on Erin.
She had one of the best male celebs there's ever been in the show and yet she still failed to get him to the final.
The reson? Crap choreagraphy on the American Smooth this week. The judges said it lacked sparkle and they were right, but it had little to do with Austin's dancing...it was just a lacklustre routine. Erin has to take the rapfor Austin going out ahead of time.”
“I blame Austin's exit on Erin.
She had one of the best male celebs there's ever been in the show and yet she still failed to get him to the final.
The reson? Crap choreagraphy on the American Smooth this week. The judges said it lacked sparkle and they were right, but it had little to do with Austin's dancing...it was just a lacklustre routine. Erin has to take the rapfor Austin going out ahead of time.”
It was Ausin that couldn't do side to side hip movements and his stiffness that made him leave, not Erin.
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