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Eliquently Put imo anyways... lol
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musicangel
09-12-2008
Have to say, yep im a lisa and brendan supporter, but he did say hes been trying all series to reign his temper in, and been doing really well, working with people with impulse and tempers thats not easy! So well bloody done brendan!

anyways he spoke eliquently tonight, I agree austin was a fav from the first time he stepped on teh dance floor, even they thought that, even fans of theirs thought that, the bookies thought that, so last week was a big shock, to austin, erin, lisa, brendan the whole lot of the competitiors. Brendan wasnt saying they didnt want to be in the semis of course they did, but they have worked just as hard, and sometimes everyone on here no matter who you support can say that a dance has been overmarked, not that one has been undermarked, just one very much over, which gets everyone riled.

but the salsa wasnt as good, not as the jive, im not comparing it to that and not saying that, the jive was ok she tried her bloody best, they agreed with the marks for that, even brendan said a 9 was generous, but what he said was the salsa, and other routines were over marked, and that might have been them wanting to get a guy in the final, which again has been said a lot on the forums about scd.

The judges might have an agenda, but that we will never know, there will always be theories so to speak!

I thought we saw the real and emotional brendan after the show at the weekend, seeing how it got to not only vincent but brendan as well, he is human and passionate, and upset his friends have gone out.

I get really dismayed when its so negative, I thought austin was lovely, and loved some of his dances, some I didnt get personally, thats just me and what I like.

But I thought lisa and brendan did fab on ITT tonight, and he put his point across well, hes never shyed away from contraversy and some of us admire him for that.

I for one do!

Hope I put that ok, and not annoyed anyone even more!

GOOD LUCK ON SATURDAY!!



T care
diyqueen
09-12-2008
I agree with you I am a massive Brendan fan but I'm not blind enough to see his faults

Show me a perfect person in this world.

He is passionate and love what he does what wrong with that

Go Brendan and Lisa
uptowngirl
09-12-2008
agree with you whole heartedly and think you're very brave to post this as no doubt the brendan haters will be along in a minute to savage you! Anyway Brendan was totally right to get mad, i would have too seeing an imperfect dance get a ten. But hey-ho, Austin's Salsa hasn't been the only dance to get undeserved ten's this series so I'm kinda used to it by now!
Sid_1979
09-12-2008
Hitler was eloquent - it didn't make him admirable

(Please note the sarcastic tone before posting a barrage of outraged replies accusing me of comparing Brendan to Adolf!)

Brendan totally missed the point. Yes Austin was overmarked, but all the contestants have been at some stage - including Lisa for a very mediocre Jive.

So his argument fails to hold water. He was just looking for an excuse to vent his uncontrollable temper (which I perceive as petulance, not passion) and by putting it across in an 'eloquent' fashion tonight was mere damage limitation.

I still find the man bitter, hypocritical and unsporting.
bridgerton
09-12-2008
Originally Posted by Sid_1979:
“I still find the man bitter, hypocritical and unsporting.”

Whilst not condoning the walking off and the comments made afterwards, it was however, interesting to hear Brendan's full viewpoint and where he was coming from in a more rational manner.

I was very sorry to see Austin and Erin go and the fact that Erin in particular was so heartbroken. Having said that, Erin has also been "unsporting" in the past...I clearly remembering her saying that she didn't think Zoe Ball deserved the tens she had received for a particular dance (I don't recall which one...!) If they think it, they shouldn't say it but then we would all hypocritically moan that said person was being false and fake. There's no winning really.
millie3
09-12-2008
. He was just looking for an excuse to vent his uncontrollable temper (which I perceive as petulance, not passion) and by putting it across in an 'eloquent' fashion tonight was mere damage limitation.

I still find the man bitter, hypocritical and unsporting.[/quote]

I agree but you sort of expect that of Brendan. I am however disappointed that Lisa said the same sort of thing. I thought she might be a bit above that.
Daisy_M
09-12-2008
Originally Posted by bridgerton:
“Whilst not condoning the walking off and the comments made afterwards, it was however, interesting to hear Brendan's full viewpoint and where he was coming from in a more rational manner.

I was very sorry to see Austin and Erin go and the fact that Erin in particular was so heartbroken. Having said that, Erin has also been "unsporting" in the past...I clearly remembering her saying that she didn't think Zoe Ball deserved the tens she had received for a particular dance (I don't recall which one...!) If they think it, they shouldn't say it but then we would all hypocritically moan that said person was being false and fake. There's no winning really.”

I remember that! I think it was her Tango. I was annoyed at the time.
uptowngirl
09-12-2008
Originally Posted by Sid_1979:
“Hitler was eloquent - it didn't make him admirable

(Please note the sarcastic tone before posting a barrage of outraged replies accusing me of comparing Brendan to Adolf!)

Brendan totally missed the point. Yes Austin was overmarked, but all the contestants have been at some stage - including Lisa for a very mediocre Jive.So his argument fails to hold water. He was just looking for an excuse to vent his uncontrollable temper (which I perceive as petulance, not passion) and by putting it across in an 'eloquent' fashion tonight was mere damage limitation.

I still find the man bitter, hypocritical and unsporting.”



That's just your opinion. I thought Tom's Rumba and Rachel's Cha Cha were mediocre, and definitely no better than Lisa's Jive. The point is that as there were only 4 of them left, they should all be marked using the same criteria. Brendan is a professional dancer and knows what he's talking about - are you? I believe him when he says that a 9 was generous for Lisa's Jive and I also beleive him when he says that Austin was overmarked.
pickledgherkin
09-12-2008
Brendan may have been right but there are times when it is better to say nothing. However I think we can forgive Brendan, it isn't Lisa's fault and she really shouldn't have to be put into the position of explaining him.

Let's hope they do really well on Saturday.
millie3
09-12-2008
Originally Posted by uptowngirl:
“ Brendan is a professional dancer and knows what he's talking about - are you? I believe him when he says that a 9 was generous for Lisa's Jive and I also beleive him when he says that Austin was overmarked. ”

But you are not unbiased yourself are you? The point is that they have also been overmarked in the past and its just unsporting to complain about your competitors.
Annanyla
09-12-2008
Originally Posted by Sid_1979:
“Hitler was eloquent - it didn't make him admirable

(Please note the sarcastic tone before posting a barrage of outraged replies accusing me of comparing Brendan to Adolf!)

Brendan totally missed the point. Yes Austin was overmarked, but all the contestants have been at some stage - including Lisa for a very mediocre Jive.

So his argument fails to hold water. He was just looking for an excuse to vent his uncontrollable temper (which I perceive as petulance, not passion) and by putting it across in an 'eloquent' fashion tonight was mere damage limitation.

I still find the man bitter, hypocritical and unsporting.”

I disagree Sexy, passionate and utterly fab.
I agree on the temper but ooh, I do like it. Bet he's great in bed
Cat Balou
09-12-2008
Originally Posted by Sid_1979:
“Hitler was eloquent - it didn't make him admirable

(Please note the sarcastic tone before posting a barrage of outraged replies accusing me of comparing Brendan to Adolf!)

Brendan totally missed the point. Yes Austin was overmarked, but all the contestants have been at some stage - including Lisa for a very mediocre Jive.

So his argument fails to hold water. He was just looking for an excuse to vent his uncontrollable temper (which I perceive as petulance, not passion) and by putting it across in an 'eloquent' fashion tonight was mere damage limitation.

I still find the man bitter, hypocritical and unsporting.”


Hi Sid.

I generally like your posts but IMO sarcasm does not make an unpalatable comment suddenly taste nice. You could have picked a better example than Hitler and still made your point.

I find Brendan passionate, honest and interesting. I like a bit of spice in the SCD mix and his outbursts make me laugh. I also think he is pretty fair. Whilst not making Lisa feel too embarassed, he has made it pretty clear that he thought they had been overmarked a few times.
hiua6c
09-12-2008
I saw the point of what he was saying - basically goes back to what he said in s4 about inconsistent marking i.e dances with the same/similar faults getting different scores and the mix up with Bruno's graphics may not have helped as they may have missed the explanation getting ready to dance.

I like the fact he stands by what he says and doesn't back down but I like honesty.

Time to move on now
Ignazio
09-12-2008
Originally Posted by Sid_1979;29362697[B:
“]Hitler was eloquent - it didn't make him admirable [/b]

(Please note the sarcastic tone before posting a barrage of outraged replies accusing me of comparing Brendan to Adolf!)”

Sid how dare you compare Brendan to Hitler.

jill1812
09-12-2008
He's not wrong, but on Saturday it looked petulant, and today it just seemed ungracious especially considering how upset Erin was, and he's supposed to be a friend of Erin.
Ignazio
09-12-2008
Originally Posted by jill1812:
“He's not wrong, but on Saturday it looked petulant, and today it just seemed ungracious especially considering how upset Erin was, and he's supposed to be a friend of Erin.”

Brendan lost it when the marks were awarded - at which point Erin was not upset.
jill1812
09-12-2008
Originally Posted by Ignazio:
“Brendan lost it when the marks were awarded - at which point Erin was not upset.”

I meant today when he was on ITT it look ungracious. He know how upset Erin was.

Although maybe I'm wrong but wasn't Erin already in tears after Austin's salsa, which was before Lisa's jive in which case he would have known.
bridgerton
09-12-2008
Originally Posted by jill1812:
“I meant today when he was on ITT it look ungracious. He know how upset Erin was.

Although maybe I'm wrong but wasn't Erin already in tears after Austin's salsa, which was before Lisa's jive in which case he would have known.”

Well no, as he and Lisa were next to dance. Erin didn't cry on camera.
musicangel
09-12-2008
Originally Posted by uptowngirl:
“That's just your opinion. I thought Tom's Rumba and Rachel's Cha Cha were mediocre, and definitely no better than Lisa's Jive. The point is that as there were only 4 of them left, they should all be marked using the same criteria. Brendan is a professional dancer and knows what he's talking about - are you? I believe him when he says that a 9 was generous for Lisa's Jive and I also beleive him when he says that Austin was overmarked. ”

Thanks uptown I agree with that as well, I thought they were ok, but not worth the score they got, I think the judges went DWTS high, and had no where to go fromthere, without it looking really bad.

brave, maybe not I just got compared to hitler I think....

Perfect end to a crappy crappy day....
musicangel
09-12-2008
Originally Posted by jill1812:
“He's not wrong, but on Saturday it looked petulant, and today it just seemed ungracious especially considering how upset Erin was, and he's supposed to be a friend of Erin.”

He is.. and she knows this

It again didnt stop her saying the EXACT same thing about zoe that year as mentioned before.

so she will know what its like to be taken like that.
uptowngirl
09-12-2008
Originally Posted by millie3:
“But you are not unbiased yourself are you? The point is that they have also been overmarked in the past and its just unsporting to complain about your competitors.”

Brendan knows he's been overmarked - he admitted it himself! And bias? Maybe, but aren't we all? We all have our favourites. But I like to think that I'm able to give credit where it's due. I'm no fan of T&C but I can recognise that they did a fab foxtrot and in previous weeks the QS and Tango. I can also recognise that Lisa didn't deserve a 10 for her Cha Cha, but then neither did Rachel. And for the record I'm not a Brendan fan, it's his partnership with Lisa I adore, and I don't usually agree with him, but in this case I do.
jill1812
09-12-2008
Originally Posted by musicangel:
“He is.. and she knows this

It again didnt stop her saying the EXACT same thing about zoe that year as mentioned before.

so she will know what its like to be taken like that.”

Not right after Zoe and Ian were knocked out she didn't.

Brendan was right but discrection might have been the better part of valour.
musicangel
09-12-2008
Originally Posted by uptowngirl:
“Brendan knows he's been overmarked - he admitted it himself! And bias? Maybe, but aren't we all? We all have our favourites. But I like to think that I'm able to give credit where it's due. I'm no fan of T&C but I can recognise that they did a fab foxtrot and in previous weeks the QS and Tango. I can also recognise that Lisa didn't deserve a 10 for her Cha Cha, but then neither did Rachel. And for the record I'm not a Brendan fan, it's his partnership with Lisa I adore, and I don't usually agree with him, but in this case I do.”

Fab post!

and true, just because I support b and l doesnt mean I didnt love toms quickstep also, and rachels rumba even.
musicangel
09-12-2008
Originally Posted by jill1812:
“Not right after Zoe and Ian were knocked out she didn't.

Brendan was right but discrection might have been the better part of valour.”

It was the night of the show it was on though I Think...
Ignazio
09-12-2008
Originally Posted by jill1812:
“I meant today when he was on ITT it look ungracious. He know how upset Erin was.

Although maybe I'm wrong but wasn't Erin already in tears after Austin's salsa, which was before Lisa's jive in which case he would have known.”

After the AS she said she was worried - didn't see any tears.

Brendan tried hard to put his opinion across diplomatically - and yes, I do know that Brendan and diplomacy make strange bedfellows, but he stressed the difficulty of going through at the expense of others, yet still felt strongly that his jive with Lisa was at least equal to the A&E salsa. If this is how he felt why shouldn't he say so?

I do recall Erin saying a dance of Zoe and Ian was not perfect - and therefore not worth a 10. If we allow Erin the freedom to express an opinion - then Brendan has equal rights.
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