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Eliquently Put imo anyways... lol
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caz_x
09-12-2008
Originally Posted by EJ1:
“I didn't like Lisa going on about how much technique she showed in the jive compared to Austin's salsa - I don't think it's right the celebs should comment about each other like that. And I don't think it will do her many favours. I for one hoped she'd make the final over Rachel as I find Rachel a bit dull (sorry Rachel fans!) but that has put me off Lisa I'm afraid.”

I agree entirely. I don't think it is her place at all to comment on technique.

To Zenmeister I didn't take offence by their interview but didn't think they did themselves any favours.
Puffle
09-12-2008
"Well I am not sure I can cope with Rachel in the final so maybe I will"


Damn should have pushed for more! lol
cassieconvinced
09-12-2008
Originally Posted by EJ1:
“ Puffle.

Well I am not sure I can cope with Rachel in the final so maybe I will”

Good news!!!

Cat Balou
09-12-2008
Originally Posted by Sid_1979:
“You missed my point Cat. I was implying that eloquence does not make everything alright.

But no hard feelings I hope ”

I got your point Sid and it's a fair one. I just think you could have made it just as well, if not better, without using Hitler. No hard feelings taken.

Originally Posted by Sid_1979:
“I've always maintained that Strictly is about entertainment, and if Brendan brings entertainment to viewers then I'm all for it - however much I dislike the man!

I felt he came across as foolish tonight. The fact that his own partner has been a beneficiary of over-generous marking left him sounding rather hypocritical.

He then went on to acknowledge that Lisa herself had been over-marked which left me wandering - what was his point? Both she and Austin have benefitted from overly-high scores. Surely that makes them even? So why the need for him to kick up a fuss?”


I think that the whole point of kicking up a fuss is that it's part of the show. Tess, Craig, Claudia et al have all been beside themselves with excitement to have "Bad Boy" Brendan back.
cassieconvinced
09-12-2008
Originally Posted by caz_x:
“I agree entirely. I don't think it is her place at all to comment on technique.

To Zenmeister I didn't take offence by their interview but didn't think they did themselves any favours.”

If you read EJ1's subsequent posts you'll see s/he has relistened to the interview and states that that's not what was said.
Sid_1979
09-12-2008
Originally Posted by EmilyIRE:
“I agree with what Brendan said tonight to a certain extent - the marking has been ridiculous this season and has not been a level playing field”

He might have had a point if the other couples were consistently over-marked and Lisa wasn't.

That's not the case though. Her Cha Cha worth a 10? I doubt it. Her Jive worthy of a 9? Nope, not even according to the man himself.

OK so everyone at the weekend was scored too highly. But that had no bearing on the leaderboard because everyone had been affected.

He was ranting for no reason. Utterly pointless.
bridgerton
09-12-2008
Originally Posted by Sid_1979:
“He was ranting for no reason. Utterly pointless.”

He didn't know what the outcome would be at the time he said what he did on Saturday though. He was asked today to explain his comments on Saturday and that's what he did. No ranting involved.
caz_x
09-12-2008
To quote she said:

"If they're talking technique, with me with the jive action, then they have to be fair with all the other latin dances and score it on the technique"

I read this as her commenting on Austin's technique but I may be wrong!!!
EmilyIRE
09-12-2008
Originally Posted by Sid_1979:
“He might have had a point if the other couples were consistently over-marked and Lisa wasn't.

That's not the case though. Her Cha Cha worth a 10? I doubt it. Her Jive worthy of a 9? Nope, not even according to the man himself.

OK so everyone at the weekend was scored too highly. But that had no bearing on the leaderboard because everyone had been affected.

He was ranting for no reason. Utterly pointless.”

That's pretty much what I said in my post, that he was being hypocritical because Lisa was overmarked.

And I actually do think it had a bearing on the leaderboard - I think based on the two dances Lisa should have been below Austin. On the danceoff it was the right reason to save Lisa - her waltz was better than Austin's salsa. But would Austin have been in the danceoff had he been second from bottom on the leaderboard?
Sid_1979
09-12-2008
Originally Posted by EmilyIRE:
“And I actually do think it had a bearing on the leaderboard - I think based on the two dances Lisa should have been below Austin. On the danceoff it was the right reason to save Lisa - her waltz was better than Austin's salsa. But would Austin have been in the danceoff had he been second from bottom on the leaderboard?”

Snap!

I said exactly the same things on Sunday.

Had Lisa's Jive been marked more realistically, she might have slipped to bottom of the table and faced either Rachel or Tom in the dance-off - both of whom had dances that could potentially have eclipsed her Waltz (as stunning as it was).
cassieconvinced
09-12-2008
Originally Posted by Sid_1979:
“Snap!

I said exactly the same things on Sunday.

Had Lisa's Jive been marked more realistically, she might have slipped to bottom of the table and faced either Rachel or Tom in the dance-off - both of whom had dances that could potentially have eclipsed her Waltz (as stunning as it was).”

But then, if austin's salsa was marked more realistically as well we might be back to square one. IMO his wasn't worth the points either so overall I think the leader board was in the correct order.
bridgerton
09-12-2008
Originally Posted by Sid_1979:
“Snap!

I said exactly the same things on Sunday.

Had Lisa's Jive been marked more realistically, she might have slipped to bottom of the table and faced either Rachel or Tom in the dance-off - both of whom had dances that could potentially have eclipsed her Waltz (as stunning as it was).”

This is all assuming that Austin was marked correctly though...
If he'd been marked realistically, he'd have had about thirty points which is same as what Lisa should have had.
welwynrose
09-12-2008
Originally Posted by Sid_1979:
“Snap!

I said exactly the same things on Sunday.

Had Lisa's Jive been marked more realistically, she might have slipped to bottom of the table and faced either Rachel or Tom in the dance-off - both of whom had dances that could potentially have eclipsed her Waltz (as stunning as it was).”


If ALL of the dances in the series had been marked more realistically the final four might have been totally different and any of them could have left weeks ago - Brendan was only saying what a lot of people on here have been moaning about for weeks that not some dances have benefitted from overmarking & he's admitted previously that he's been suprised at some of their scores
Ignazio
09-12-2008
Originally Posted by EmilyIRE:
“That's pretty much what I said in my post, that he was being hypocritical because Lisa was overmarked.

And I actually do think it had a bearing on the leaderboard - I think based on the two dances Lisa should have been below Austin. On the danceoff it was the right reason to save Lisa - her waltz was better than Austin's salsa. But would Austin have been in the danceoff had he been second from bottom on the leaderboard?”

My view is that Lisa's waltz was far superior to Austin's AS - so first round scores rightly reflected their performances - putting Lisa 5 points ahead of Austin.

Second dance - imo they were pretty equal, but for those who think Austin's performance superior - they surely cannot think it 5 points better. Therefore imo the leaderboard was correct.
Sid_1979
09-12-2008
Originally Posted by welwynrose:
“If ALL of the dances in the series had been marked more realistically the final four might have been totally different and any of them could have left weeks ago - Brendan was only saying what a lot of people on here have been moaning about for weeks that not some dances have benefitted from overmarking & he's admitted previously that he's been suprised at some of their scores”

Overmarking does not equate to inconsistency.

There is no inconsistency as far as I'm concerned because the judges are consistently marking high.
Sid_1979
09-12-2008
Originally Posted by cassieconvinced:
“But then, if austin's salsa was marked more realistically as well we might be back to square one. IMO his wasn't worth the points either so overall I think the leader board was in the correct order.”

Originally Posted by bridgerton:
“This is all assuming that Austin was marked correctly though...
If he'd been marked realistically, he'd have had about thirty points which is same as what Lisa should have had.”

I'll give you that
welwynrose
09-12-2008
Originally Posted by Sid_1979:
“Overmarking does not equate to inconsistency.

There is no inconsistency as far as I'm concerned because the judges are consistently marking high.”


The judges marking this year has been all over the place wasn't there one dance that Craig gave a 5 and all the rest gave 8's - how the hell is that consistent
cassieconvinced
09-12-2008
Originally Posted by Sid_1979:
“Overmarking does not equate to inconsistency.

There is no inconsistency as far as I'm concerned because the judges are consistently marking high.”

I think Brendan did feel they were being inconsistent when Len gave a salsa which had technical mistakes in it a 10 and the jive, where there were technical mistakes, an 8
Sid_1979
09-12-2008
Originally Posted by welwynrose:
“The judges marking this year has been all over the place wasn't there one dance that Craig gave a 5 and all the rest gave 8's - how the hell is that consistent”

As long as Craig scores harshly for everyone then he's being consistent and there's no problem.

And generally he has been quite reserved in his marks - for everybody.

Similarly, Len marks everyone quite generously.
welwynrose
09-12-2008
Originally Posted by Sid_1979:
“As long as Craig scores harshly for everyone then he's being consistent and there's no problem.

And generally he has been quite reserved in his marks - for everybody.”


Ok then what about Len saying to Rachel - I can't see your feet so can't tell if your footwork was good or Tom your bum sticks out but never mind I'll give you both good scores anyway
bridgerton
09-12-2008
Originally Posted by Sid_1979:
“As long as Craig scores harshly for everyone then he's being consistent and there's no problem.

And generally he has been quite reserved in his marks - for everybody.

Similarly, Len marks everyone quite generously.”

Except when he admitted he put his pen and paper down during Austin's Paso and decided not to look for mistakes! He's as susceptible as the next when it comes to overmarking. He just does it less than the others.
Sid_1979
09-12-2008
Originally Posted by cassieconvinced:
“I think Brendan did feel they were being inconsistent when Len gave a salsa which had technical mistakes in it a 10 and the jive, where there were technical mistakes, an 8”

You're right.

Austin's Salsa should have received a 9.

But Lisa's Jive should also have dropped one mark to a 7.

They both scored one point more than they should have done. That's consistent though
cassieconvinced
09-12-2008
Originally Posted by Sid_1979:
“You're right.

Austin's Salsa should have received a 9.

But Lisa's Jive should also have dropped one mark to a 7.

They both scored one point more than they should have done. That's consistent though ”

We'll have to agree to disagree on that one because I don't feel that's quite how it should have gone
bridgerton
09-12-2008
Originally Posted by Sid_1979:
“You're right.

Austin's Salsa should have received a 9.

But Lisa's Jive should also have dropped one mark to a 7.

They both scored one point more than they should have done. That's consistent though ”

9 for that salsa...you're having a laugh!! It was all over the place, as was Lisa's jive. 30 points apiece is what should have been given. Do you think Arlene's job will be going after this series? I might apply for it!
cassieconvinced
09-12-2008
I will say this, with all these threads my postcount has gone up from around 400 to 1000+ this year. Woohoo!!
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