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Old 09-12-2008, 21:22
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What annoys me about x-factor from the auditions right through to the live shows is the contestants crying about how much they love singing and how they will be devastated if they don't get through.

Forgive me if I am wrong.... but I was under the impression that a person that loves singing will sing... in the bath.. in the shower, at kareoke, at church, with friends, on their own, on stage, off stage, basically anywhere and anytime that they are free to do so.

I was also under the impression that a person that loved singing would happily sing by themselves or in company..

The venue wouldn't matter as the person would simply love the joy of self expression.

So why do these X-factor people make it seem that singing is only valid if they are in front of thousands in a stadium doing a sell out tour...

Are they not mixing up adoration from thousands of people with loving singing.. the two are not the same thing.

I think the x-factor contestants if they are honest love 'fame and adoration and wealth' not singing!
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Old 09-12-2008, 22:30
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Old 09-12-2008, 22:33
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they want national recognition,most of them already perform at local small venues,but they want more people to hear their singing
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Old 09-12-2008, 22:40
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Because they want to do it professionally and make a career of what they love instead of stacking shelves in Asda?

We can then turn that question on every famous writer/singer there is. Did The Beatles just want fame and fortune? Did Bob Dylan? Did Leonard Cohen? Did Jeff Buckley? (two relevant examples at the end for you!)
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Old 09-12-2008, 22:41
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But but ... it means the world to them! (every week)
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Old 09-12-2008, 22:48
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What annoys me about x-factor from the auditions right through to the live shows is the contestants crying about how much they love singing and how they will be devastated if they don't get through.

Forgive me if I am wrong.... but I was under the impression that a person that loves singing will sing... in the bath.. in the shower, at kareoke, at church, with friends, on their own, on stage, off stage, basically anywhere and anytime that they are free to do so.

I was also under the impression that a person that loved singing would happily sing by themselves or in company..

The venue wouldn't matter as the person would simply love the joy of self expression.

So why do these X-factor people make it seem that singing is only valid if they are in front of thousands in a stadium doing a sell out tour...

Are they not mixing up adoration from thousands of people with loving singing.. the two are not the same thing.

I think the x-factor contestants if they are honest love 'fame and adoration and wealth' not singing!

I agree. I used to say this about the show ages ago and I had a few threads about it around the audition stages.
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Old 09-12-2008, 22:49
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If it meant THAT much of the world to them-then why weren't they doing it already???? The Beatles/Bob D/ Leonard C etc didn't need X-Factor to get where they were.
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Old 09-12-2008, 22:49
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Because they want to do it professionally and make a career of what they love instead of stacking shelves in Asda?

We can then turn that question on every famous writer/singer there is. Did The Beatles just want fame and fortune? Did Bob Dylan? Did Leonard Cohen? Did Jeff Buckley? (two relevant examples at the end for you!)
Unfortunatley I don't know Bob Dylan, Leonard Cohen or Jeff Buckley...I do know the Beatles though!

I see your point but people like the beatles went through the normal process to get where they are they didn't expect instant fave and fortune to be handed to them on a golden platter.

The people today want it and they want it all and they want it yesterday without working for it. If they want a career singing they can work hard for years and get there in the end if that is what they want.

Some of them can't sing but want to torture my eardrums because it is their dream! :sleep:
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Old 09-12-2008, 22:50
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Unfortunatley I don't know ..., Leonard Cohen
clue...he might have written the winner's song...
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Old 09-12-2008, 22:53
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If it meant THAT much of the world to them-then why weren't they doing it already???? The Beatles/Bob D/ Leonard C etc didn't need X-Factor to get where they were.
I can't speak for the top 3, but I know Diana was already writing and singing before she auditioned. Leona had been kicking around for years.

By all accounts, the XF is just one big glossy audition for an A&R executive. The Beatles etc all had a major record label deal and that is what the contestants are on the show to get.

And not everyone gets signed up. Leona being one example. Even The Beatles were famously rejected by a record label. It takes more than talent to get your foot in the door.
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Old 09-12-2008, 22:53
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clue...he might have written the winner's song...

Oh thanks I had never heard of the song before either until last week when i saw a you tube version of a girl singing it.

So I have not heard his version or seen him before.
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Old 09-12-2008, 22:55
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clue...he might have written the winner's song...
I thought that was Peter Kay?

*gets coat*
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Old 09-12-2008, 22:56
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If it meant THAT much of the world to them-then why weren't they doing it already???? The Beatles/Bob D/ Leonard C etc didn't need X-Factor to get where they were.
they did...Laura,Austin,Ruth and Alexandra
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Old 09-12-2008, 22:59
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I can't speak for the top 3, but I know Diana was already writing and singing before she auditioned. Leona had been kicking around for years.

By all accounts, the XF is just one big glossy audition for an A&R executive. The Beatles etc all had a major record label deal and that is what the contestants are on the show to get.

And not everyone gets signed up. Leona being one example. Even The Beatles were famously rejected by a record label. It takes more than talent to get your foot in the door.
Yes-but it's a poisoned chalice. You get a foot in the door-with the other foot firmly manacled to Simon Cowell and his uninspired ideas...
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Old 09-12-2008, 23:07
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I don't mind the "love singing" thing so much, but they really wind me up with the "I want to make my family proud" "I don't want to let my family down" stuff.

Like their mums might go, "You didn't win X Factor? You've brought shame on this family! On your way, son!"
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Old 09-12-2008, 23:09
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I don't mind the "love singing" thing so much, but they really wind me up with the "I want to make my family proud" "I don't want to let my family down" stuff.

Like their mums might go, "You didn't win X Factor? You've brought shame on this family! On your way, son!"
ha ha ha ha!
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Old 09-12-2008, 23:12
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What annoys me about x-factor from the auditions right through to the live shows is the contestants crying about how much they love singing and how they will be devastated if they don't get through.

Forgive me if I am wrong.... but I was under the impression that a person that loves singing will sing... in the bath.. in the shower, at kareoke, at church, with friends, on their own, on stage, off stage, basically anywhere and anytime that they are free to do so.

I was also under the impression that a person that loved singing would happily sing by themselves or in company..

The venue wouldn't matter as the person would simply love the joy of self expression.

So why do these X-factor people make it seem that singing is only valid if they are in front of thousands in a stadium doing a sell out tour...

Are they not mixing up adoration from thousands of people with loving singing.. the two are not the same thing.

I think the x-factor contestants if they are honest love 'fame and adoration and wealth' not singing!
None of these things.

Its the LOVE OF THE DREAM....AND THE DREAM THEY DON'T WANT TO END.....

Right through until they wake up playing afternoon matinees at Butlins for the next year.

Or in Daniel Evans' case(probably), the halftime fag break at his local bingo hall.
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Old 09-12-2008, 23:12
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Oh and the love of being an "artist" tsk tsk tsk
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Old 09-12-2008, 23:39
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Yes-but it's a poisoned chalice. You get a foot in the door-with the other foot firmly manacled to Simon Cowell and his uninspired ideas...
yes, unfortunately it's true.
the contestants should be allowed to have a creative freedom in the recording studio (of course if they want to take advantage of it - in this year Laura and Austin with his band surely would like to write themselves).
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Old 09-12-2008, 23:54
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I'm really unable to determine with a lot of these 'artists' whether they are on the show for fame & money, or simply because they love singing, writing and performing.

I've been producing myself for a number of years and find nothing better in the world than to sit down in the studio with a cup of coffee and make music from scratch into something worth releasing. Money has never been a factor, and sending it off to a record label in the hope that it may get an eventual release isn't the most important thing either, but the motivation comes from being able to perform in front of an audience so that they can share the experience that I've tried to create. The satisfaction comes from the enjoyment experienced by others due to something I've put over 100+ hours into.

That's why I have a lot of respect for people who work their way up in the industry without being given a helping hand. I'm sure the X Factor tries to provide people with an avenue for people to have their own creation heard, but I get the impression a lot of the auditionee's are not really there for that in the first place, but rather attracted to the cash & celebrity lifestyle that comes with the contract.

Especially these days, as we live in a celebrity-fuelled, fantasy craze.
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Old 10-12-2008, 00:09
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I'm really unable to determine with a lot of these 'artists' whether they are on the show for fame & money, or simply because they love singing, writing and performing.

I've been producing myself for a number of years and find nothing better in the world than to sit down in the studio with a cup of coffee and make music from scratch into something worth releasing. Money has never been a factor, and sending it off to a record label in the hope that it may get an eventual release isn't the most important thing either, but the motivation comes from being able to perform in front of an audience so that they can share the experience that I've tried to create. The satisfaction comes from the enjoyment experienced by others due to something I've put over 100+ hours into.

That's why I have a lot of respect for people who work their way up in the industry without being given a helping hand. I'm sure the X Factor tries to provide people with an avenue for people to have their own creation heard, but I get the impression a lot of the auditionee's are not really there for that in the first place, but rather attracted to the cash & celebrity lifestyle that comes with the contract.Especially these days, as we live in a celebrity-fuelled, fantasy craze.
Exactly.... I agree with what you are saying here! All the best with your music as well!
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Old 10-12-2008, 00:11
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I'm really unable to determine with a lot of these 'artists' whether they are on the show for fame & money, or simply because they love singing, writing and performing.

I've been producing myself for a number of years and find nothing better in the world than to sit down in the studio with a cup of coffee and make music from scratch into something worth releasing. Money has never been a factor, and sending it off to a record label in the hope that it may get an eventual release isn't the most important thing either, but the motivation comes from being able to perform in front of an audience so that they can share the experience that I've tried to create. The satisfaction comes from the enjoyment experienced by others due to something I've put over 100+ hours into.

That's why I have a lot of respect for people who work their way up in the industry without being given a helping hand. I'm sure the X Factor tries to provide people with an avenue for people to have their own creation heard, but I get the impression a lot of the auditionee's are not really there for that in the first place, but rather attracted to the cash & celebrity lifestyle that comes with the contract.

Especially these days, as we live in a celebrity-fuelled, fantasy craze.
I agree with you.
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Old 10-12-2008, 00:19
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Exactly.... I agree with what you are saying here! All the best with your music as well!
Cheers and thanks

You too Mojo
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Old 10-12-2008, 00:21
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I'm really unable to determine with a lot of these 'artists' whether they are on the show for fame & money, or simply because they love singing, writing and performing.

I've been producing myself for a number of years and find nothing better in the world than to sit down in the studio with a cup of coffee and make music from scratch into something worth releasing. Money has never been a factor, and sending it off to a record label in the hope that it may get an eventual release isn't the most important thing either, but the motivation comes from being able to perform in front of an audience so that they can share the experience that I've tried to create. The satisfaction comes from the enjoyment experienced by others due to something I've put over 100+ hours into.

That's why I have a lot of respect for people who work their way up in the industry without being given a helping hand. I'm sure the X Factor tries to provide people with an avenue for people to have their own creation heard, but I get the impression a lot of the auditionee's are not really there for that in the first place, but rather attracted to the cash & celebrity lifestyle that comes with the contract.

Especially these days, as we live in a celebrity-fuelled, fantasy craze.
Thats why i find these shows laughable when Cowell talks about these "artists" having a "career" in the "music industry" because the show is about nothing of the sort, its an entertainment show masquerading as some kind of conduit to get into the "industry", which people can use the show as a launch pad to some kind of moneyspinning global-hopping music career without having to do all the hard work to get to that level.

Television shows like this paint this illusion of a WANT IT NOW GET IT NOW RIGHT HERE! culture on these shows by making people believe that achieving money, recognition and fame involves bearing your life flesh, bone, blood, warts n all on telly all the while knowing that the lumpen masses of the nation sit there gawping at the screen chewing on Captain Birdseye's latest potato-filled monstrosity mesmerised by the world of the hopeful realitelly celeb, texting in their votes for a dead-eyed pop rodent with a foppish haircut on the X Factor, or phoning in to get some pirouetting camera-humping mirror-embracing nonentity voted out on Big Brother, while they count the pound signs,

There is no making of a pop star or a musician here, its just using people as commodities to make money from and then when their star fades(usually fast), they are thrown out like a used condom.

And then the whole conveyor belt of cadavers line up once again, ready to have their minds minced and diced into Cowell-esque popcows ready for fattening up and then led to the public slaughter.....and so the process, and my probably depressing philosophies go on.....
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Old 10-12-2008, 00:32
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Thats why i find these shows laughable when Cowell talks about these "artists" having a "career" in the "music industry" because the show is about nothing of the sort, its an entertainment show masquerading as some kind of conduit to get into the "industry", which people can use the show as a launch pad to some kind of moneyspinning global-hopping music career without having to do all the hard work to get to that level.

Television shows like this paint this illusion of a WANT IT NOW GET IT NOW RIGHT HERE! culture on these shows by making people believe that achieving money, recognition and fame involves bearing your life flesh, bone, blood, warts n all on telly all the while knowing that the lumpen masses of the nation sit there gawping at the screen chewing on Captain Birdseye's latest potato-filled monstrosity mesmerised by the world of the hopeful realitelly celeb, texting in their votes for a dead-eyed pop rodent with a foppish haircut on the X Factor, or phoning in to get some pirouetting camera-humping mirror-embracing nonentity voted out on Big Brother, while they count the pound signs,

There is no making of a pop star or a musician here, its just using people as commodities to make money from and then when their star fades(usually fast), they are thrown out like a used condom.

And then the whole conveyor belt of cadavers line up once again, ready to have their minds minced and diced into Cowell-esque popcows ready for fattening up and then led to the public slaughter.....and so the process, and my probably depressing philosophies go on.....
Haha, insightful. You should write a book

I agree with you though. I'm sure there are certain people out there that vote, not because of the performance or the talent on offer, but because it gives them the opportunity to get a piece of the person that's being flaunted. It gives the voter something to grab hold of and protect.

Although reality TV, I preferred the Fame Academy 1 format, which did showcase talent at it's most primitive level during it's live broadcasts from inside the house all week before the live performances.
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