My "misinformed" and "narrow minded" view (that's twice you've said that, by the way) comes from what I hear from day to day. If I'm not a fan I'm obviously not going to explore the genre further. I'm sure you're not going to go away and explore opera music if you don't like it (I don't, but just an example).

In the 90s I was a huge fan of R&B, actually, and still like a bit of it (TLC, Aaliyah, Lauryn Hill) but I can't stomach 99% of "urban" music I hear now. It's either some rapper trying to sound American or like they're from inner London, or some mindless beat with very average singing.

Of course R&B and Hip Hop often get lumped into one category because both genres are easily interchangeable. That's probably a good thing, too. On the indie scene loads of genres get lumped together. It's just an easy way to lump a type of sound to make it easier to refer to. Sometimes genres are even invented to keep the critics happy.

Anyway, back to the topic... N Dubz. Crap Seriously, I actually think the likes of Girls Aloud are better than this group.

So why do you try and make out you know what your talking about then with regards to the genre. I know I said that ^ twice and it's because you are.

I'm not claiming to be any kind of expert. I'm going by what I see on a daily basis. I just like to know the enemy.

It's not the genre as a whole. It's the likes of N Dubz doing no justice for it.

I'm quite accepting of many forms of music, just not this mindless dribble. It's not limited to urban music. I dislike much of today's "indie" music, but the thread isn't about that.

N Dubz might have worked hard for what they have got, but it doesn't mean it's anything amazing.

N-dubz this & N-dubz that. No matter how they are look where they are now bigger than any one else on this blog. (U get me)...

Errrm no

And this is not a blog its a message forum.

Can't help but laugh when i listen to Ouch and I Swear.

None of that matters. It doesn't matter how popular someone is or what they look like. If they have talent they have talent.

As we've seen it's all down to personal preference.I think that this type of music is talentless dribble, but others will think it's the best thing ever.

I guess music is like Marmite (cliché, I know).

I love N-dubz.
I've just got the album and I love it.
Awesome band!

I love N-dubz, especially Love for my Slum. That's my fav song of theirs. Ouch is really good as well.

They're as daft as the hat that one of them wears. Typical music someone would blast out from their mobile whilst walking down the street.

I have one of those hats and it's not daft at all! It has yaks on it, keeps my ears nice and snug. (How cool am I? )

I don't like N-Dubz. Dappy was cringey on Buzzcocks both times although fairly good-humoured and didn't seem like an utter w anker. I jusssst don't like the music. Fair enough if you do, each to their own. I'm sure lots of you defending N-Dubz would hate the music I listen to and that's fine too. They're just not my thing at all...I'm too attached to good grammar.

Would you wear it like this though? http://www.pyroradio.com/images/uploaded/ndubzpyro2.jpg Looks like the boy is hiding a cone head under it!

The guy had no idea they were taking the piss out of him He thanked Simon for not being ironic

bag of shit

I think if you hear the full album (Uncle B) there is a song on there for everyone. Its just a band trying. There is no harm in that. If you dont like them then dont listen to them.

I think not. There's really no need to tar us all with the same brush,lol

I would say quite a few teens into alternative music would speak differently.

I like Ouch and Strong Again.

Hahaha, no. Like this! Good, isn't it?

Dappy is...er...a numpty? But not as mind-numbingly annoying as say...er...Donny Tourette.

I have not really tried listening to any of their songs because I was tired of seeing the commercial for their album on tv constantly for a while. The guy with the silly hat has the most annoying, whiney voice ive ever heard.

I have heard a few of their songs in full but im sorry, it's just not my thing.

The more i listen to them the more i like them. Its just a band trying. There's no harm in that. Evrybody has different taste in music...

Music like N-Dubz usually isn't something i'd listen to but I got to say I do really like them. I really like their song "Papa Can You Hear Me?", I really like the girls voice in the band especially.

I find it hard to understand how people can label an artist crap when music is so personal that there is no good or bad.

I think they're really good. i'm impressed with their album

I love Papa!

It's so catchy!

Papa's my favourite but im starting to like strong. Ive got their album i think its cool...

Some bits of 'I Swear' was good.. And 'Ouch' was good in that cheesy "One step! Two Step! Three step! FOUR!!" kinda way.

That's the same with 'Stronger' too I think. It's not awfully bad, but it is kinda cheesy poppy..something that maybe that now defunct boyband '888' could've done.

It's just not as hardcore and as sticking-to-their-roots as their other actual good songs/parts of songs.

However, album wise...no. My boyfriend got it because he thinks Dappy is a good rapper, and he is! I can see it, I just don't like it. I think it's pretty dire.

And I hate what they say on their MySpace:

You've heard of us, even if you don't know it yet. Remember that boy driving you mad every morning on the No.42? The one playing music on his mobile at full volume? He's listening to our music. So is his sister, his best mate, his best mates older brother and his teacher.

WTF?! That makes me WANT to hate them, because I can't stand the people who play music on their phones really loudly. Im not old by the way, I'm only 21 but I can see how rude and tacky it is.