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lovelylissa
14-12-2008
I came on the forums this morning expecting to see some contentment that the BBC actually did the right thing for once, bearing in mind I was reading the forums last night before the decision and many people had realised what had happened due to the leaderboard and were (rightly) annoyed that Tom could not be saved from a dance off and that it was likely that he would go as a result.

However, this morning there are a number of totally bizarre threads (imo) that seem to suggest that Tom should stand down and that he doesn't deserve to be in the final: which to me just seems wholly unfair to Tom. He may have had a bad week, but whether you look at SCD as an entertainment programme or a dancing programme he has done both! It is not a Chris Parker situation where he entertains but isn't that good at dancing, so why are people making out like it is?

Is this just because some people who support Lisa or Rachel think that Tom evidently has a chance of winning and would have preferred he was taken out of the equation so that their favourites had more of a chance?!
mossy2103
14-12-2008
I have to agree with all of your sentiments.
millie3
14-12-2008
Originally Posted by lovelylissa:
“I came on the forums this morning expecting to see some contentment that the BBC actually did the right thing for once, bearing in mind I was reading the forums last night before the decision and many people had realised what had happened due to the leaderboard and were (rightly) annoyed that Tom could not be saved from a dance off and that it was likely that he would go as a result.

However, this morning there are a number of totally bizarre threads (imo) that seem to suggest that Tom should stand down and that he doesn't deserve to be in the final: which to me just seems wholly unfair to Tom. He may have had a bad week, but whether you look at SCD as an entertainment programme or a dancing programme he has done both! It is not a Chris Parker situation so why are people making out like it is?

Is this just because some people who support Lisa or Rachel think that Tom evidently has a chance of winning and would have rather he was taken out of the equation so that their favourites had more of a chance?!”

That's exactly the reason. If they didn't think Tom was a threat they would not be bothered!
Janine999
14-12-2008
Yes there are a few who are threatened by Tom. A 3-way final is great entertainment and they can all start again next week. Yay!
lovelylissa
14-12-2008
Originally Posted by Janine999:
“Yes there are a few who are threatened by Tom. A 3-way final is great entertainment and they can all start again next week. Yay!”

That was exactly how I felt! Glad there are some like minded people out there
Zippy289
14-12-2008
Don't worry about it, lovelylissa. Those people are just bitter that their own personal favourite has less chance of winning now. But if they had any confidence in their own favourite's ability to wow the public, why should they worry?

I hope Tom dances his socks off in the final and makes all the naysayers eat humble pie.
lach doch mal
14-12-2008
Actually I agree with the OP. I don't ever start threads, but I was very tempted to start one with "Yippie, Yippie, Yippie" a three person final. Even if the judges had fixed it to get a three way final, I couldn't care less. It will be so much more entertaining people.........
Endemoniada
14-12-2008
I think you have to take each case on its merits.

If an FM comes up with a decent reason why Tom should step down or whatever, consider it. If an FM can't do that, then it's reasonable to speculate about why not.

I have to admit I haven't see a convincing argument...yet.
mossy2103
14-12-2008
Originally Posted by lovelylissa:
“That was exactly how I felt! Glad there are some like minded people out there ”

Yes, I have posted the same things on a few other threads (whilst keeping my head down to avoid flying objects )
Daisy_M
14-12-2008
There are negative threads about all three contestants - Tom's are just the most recent.

I am a Rachel & Vincent supporter and I think that Tom will probably win. However, I have no problem with the way he got to the final. It was the best solution to a silly problem (not a 'fiasco'). Plus we have the benefit of a three-couple final.

Good luck to all three of them. I hope they all do great dances (and that Rachel wins! ).
Janine999
14-12-2008
I am really looking forward to the final now.
Sid_1979
14-12-2008
I don't think anyone has a problem with Tom - he's clearly a very likeable fellow.

But I'm not happy with the way in which he reached the final (and I'm one of the people that wanted him there!).
lovelylissa
14-12-2008
Originally Posted by Daisy_M:
“There are negative threads about all three contestants - Tom's are just the most recent.

I am a Rachel & Vincent supporter and I think that Tom will probably win. However, I have no problem with the way he got to the final. It was the best solution to a silly problem (not a 'fiasco'). Plus we have the benefit of a three-couple final.

Good luck to all three of them. I hope they all do great dances (and that Rachel wins! ).”

Good point. I'm predominantly a Lisa supporter, and I've just avoided the countless ones about her!! But I've always thought Tom was sweet and a good dancer, and I honestly think the BBC could not have made any other decision so I'm glad they did. It will be so much better anyway!
StrictlyMoo
14-12-2008
I think people are forgetting that this is mostly the judges fault. They overmarked Lisa's quickstep and worked it out so that the girls tied. But their plan backfired on them to get both girls to the final, yet everyone is complaining that it's obviously TOM'S fault that they c0cked up.


Tom to win btw.
water_carrier
14-12-2008
I have to agree with you OP. I can't understand the negativity either. All he has done is entertain, provide good performances and importantly, danced. I thought that was what SCD was about?
lach doch mal
14-12-2008
Originally Posted by Sid_1979:
“I don't think anyone has a problem with Tom - he's clearly a very likeable fellow.

But I'm not happy with the way in which he reached the final (and I'm one of the people that wanted him there!).”

But you are assuming he should definitely have been in the dance off. Last night, Rachel was shaking during the result show announcement bit, because she was afraid she might have to go through the dance off. If it had been against Tom, she would have gone through. However if the producers had asked the judges to make a decision and to rank the girls, it could have ended up with Rachel second and Lisa first. We then might have ended up with a Rachel versus Lisa dance-off with Rachel to go (it was probably impossible to beat Lisa yesterday, because Len was firmly on Lisa's side). No conspiracy here, but he clearly overlooked a right wobble in Lisa's AT.
lovelylissa
14-12-2008
Did Len give Rachel's AT a 10?
lach doch mal
14-12-2008
Originally Posted by lovelylissa:
“Did Len give Rachel's AT a 10?”

He did, but he gave her AS an 8. He gave Lisa's AT and her quickstep a 10. Going by that, he would have voted for Lisa. He also was very crumpy about Rachels AS, it was uncomfortable to watch. When he was judging Rachel's AT, he made the point that he didn't think that it was correctly performed (or something to that point), but then he said that he overlooked a wobble in Lisa's so he was overlooking the missing something in Rachel's dance.

Sorry I'm not a Rachel supporter, but me and the other half watched that AT again this morning, and it was superb, and technically demanding. It should have gotten the highest marks of all the couples. Giving Lisa and Rachel both a 10 in the AT was IMO not right.
teewoods
14-12-2008
Originally Posted by Endemoniada:
“I think you have to take each case on its merits.

If an FM comes up with a decent reason why Tom should step down or whatever, consider it. If an FM can't do that, then it's reasonable to speculate about why not.

I have to admit I haven't see a convincing argument...yet. ”

Take off your Tom rose tinted glasses and you would
Janine999
14-12-2008
I loved the way he took Brendan's place next to Lisa when B. had his strop. Classic SCD moment!
lovelylissa
14-12-2008
Originally Posted by teewoods:
“Take off your Tom rose tinted glasses and you would”

At least two of us who have agreed in this thread aren't even Tom supporters and still don't see a valid reason?
lovelylissa
14-12-2008
Originally Posted by Janine999:
“I loved the way he took Breandan's place next to Lisa when B. had his strop. Classic SCD moment!”

Me too! Bless him!
teeswolf
14-12-2008
Lisa and Rachel have been in 5 dance offs between them.

Tom was condemned to his first by the judges vote, and suddenly there is no dance off.

Can't you understand why fans of Lisa and Rachel may be a tad annoyed at last night?
Endemoniada
14-12-2008
Originally Posted by teewoods:
“Take off your Tom rose tinted glasses and you would”

The forum's rose tinted without glasses
lovelylissa
14-12-2008
Originally Posted by teeswolf:
“Lisa and Rachel have been in 5 dance offs between them.

Tom was condemned to his first by the judges vote, and suddenly there is no dance off.

Can't you understand why fans of Lisa and Rachel may be a tad annoyed at last night?”

As I've said before, I AM a fan of Lisa and I'm not annoyed, because if she had been in Tom's position last night and no votes would have prevented her being in the dance off, there would have been no point in voting for her at all, which isn't fair and makes it pointless to even have the audience/judge split vote.

Besides, the fact that Lisa and Rachel have been in 5 dance offs between them means that they would have probably been most likely to be in it again! and that Tom is the most popular with the viewers, which I think is the real issue here and the real reason for being "a tad annoyed". The BBC tried to do the fair thing. There's no need for people to start slating Tom when the mechanics of the show and the producers' decisions are actually nothing to do with him personally.
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