Please feel free to post only 100% accurate information.



p.s. was it just me, or did that important BBC dude on "It Takes Two" tonight look like he hadn't slept for a few days...?

Okay heres my take on it

We know that Rachel 3 Lisa 3 & Tom 1 so far

Say that Tom came last with the audience vote last week also as many people may have figured out his vote was worthless

Rachel 3 Lisa 2 Tom 1 We then have a score of

Rachel 6 Lisa 5 Tom 2 before the final starts

Then the judges vote them Lisa 3 Rachel 2 Tom 1 Before the phone lines open The score is Rachel 8 Lisa 8 and Tom 3

You see where I am coming from


THE PHONE VOTE TO SAVE TOM IS A WASTE OF TIME AGAIN HE WOULDNT BE ABLE TO CATCH UP

LAST SATURDAY IS HAPPENING ALL OVER AGAIN.

What i will say though is before the BBC decided to do it this way they must have known that Tom won last weeks viewers vote and the scores must be close combined ot they wouldnt have come up with this scoring system.

More likely Last weeks combined scores were Tom 3 Rachel 2 Lisa 1 meaning we start the final at

Tom 4
Rachel 5
Lisa 4


So say Rachel scores 3 Tom 2 Lisa 1 with the judges we then have

Rachel on 8
Tom on 6
Lisa on 5

Which means that voting to save Rachel becomes a waste of a vote as she is guaranteed a place in the final 2.
Any vote for her at this stage is pointless as they said all votes will be deleted before they start the showcase dance for the between the final 2


THE PHONE VOTE TO SAVE RACHEL IS A WASTE OF TIME AGAIN SHE WOULDNT BE ABLE TO BE CAUGHT AND HER VOTES WOULD NOT CARRY ON TO THE FINAL 2 SO YOU ARE WASTING YOUR TIME AND MONEY AGAIN

LAST SATURDAY IS HAPPENING ALL OVER AGAIN.


YOU COULDNT MAKE IT UP

Thats 2 senarios where this could happen.Im sure theres loads more people could come up with.

i'm not surprised he hasnt

right here's how i see it....

these will be carried over to the final:-

Judges scores
Public scores

They will both be combined into one overall leaderboard. The 3 couples will then dance two dances (thats correct yes?) and then the judges score them and the public vote as usual. They are then combined with the semi - final scores and whoever is lowest on the leaderboard is out.

The 2 couples left dance the showdance and then the winner is decided on public vote.

Can someone clarify that??!

....needs clarification

The combined points total from viewer votes and judges' scores will form the basis of the leaderboard on Saturday.

For example,

Rachel 3 + 2 = 5
Lisa 3 + 1 = 4
Tom 1 + 3 = 4

or

Rachel 3 + 1 = 4
Lisa 3 + 3 = 6
Tom 1 + 2 = 3

(These are just two examples from six)

The couples will then dance two dances and will be scored by the judges as they were last Saturday. These scores will be converted to points again as above and added to the existing totals.

To take a fairly reasonable example

Rachel 3 + 5(from last Saturday) = 8
Lisa 2 + 4(from last Saturday) = 6
Tom 1 + 4(from last Saturday) = 5

There will then be a viewer vote and these votes will be converted into scores and added to the previous totals. The couple with the lowest total goes out.

The scores and votes are cleared and the remaining two couples dance their showdances and, I think, a Viennese Waltz. (The eliminated couple will also have had a chance to perform their showdance.) The judges comment but don't score. The phonelines will be re-opened and the couple with the highest vote following the re-opening will win.

Thats how I see it. Plus what will be very interesting is that the Controller from the BBC said that for the first time they are going to publish the number of votes each celeb got in the semi. So we can see how close in popularity or how far each of the celebs are with the public.

ooh he did? must have missed that. yay though cos its so obvious tom will be at the top.

No, what he said was they will be disclosing the leaderboard total. So you'll know the order of the public vote (1st 2nd and 3rd), but not who got how many votes.

Did he definitely say number of votes? I assumed it would just be the number of points, ie 1, 2 or 3 for each

It all seemed clear on ITT but now I'm confused AGAIN.

Can someone help? Is it the case that the person who comes top of the leaderboard CANNOT be caught or is it a situation that in some circumstances the top of the leaderboard cannot be caught. Thereby making anyone who voted for them a wasted vote (different from Saturday but similar in effect).

This shouldn't be this difficult !

i give up im so confused i dont see why they cant scrap the lot and start again on saturday-seeing as theyr giving a refund to people anyway

In some situations (not all) the couple at the top of the leaderboard can't be caught. And yes, you're right. It does mean that anyone voting for them would be, in effect, wasting their vote. On the other hand, if the BBC announced this fact, there would be the opportunity for all sorts of tactical voting to take place as the earlier votes don't count later.

I think all votes for Saturday's final should count towards the final total. I don't think there should be any "starting from scratch" as far as the viewers' vote goes.

Here is what he said and I'm quoting as I recorded the interview and have watched it over three times

'We will be disclosing for the first time ever the leaderboard total from last Sat, that's judges and viewer votes and marks resulting from those votes. The marks will be displayed at the beginning of Sat's show'.

I heard it that they will publish the points, not the votes, but I've deleted the recording. At least we'll be able to work out the order of the public's vote.

So, by the time the judges have done their votes on Saturday, we'll know exactly how much the public can affect the result.

I guess the scriptwriters will be working hard on Tess' lines to explain it all though

Thank you, sanity reigns at last.

Thanks for that So it just depends whether that guy meant exactly what he said

That part's definitely true

The fact that we have all these possible and farcical permutations shows how ridiculous the whole voting system really is.

Just give us a 100% public vote please - no one could argue against that (except maybe for four individuals paid £90k each out of our money)

I'd say a few dance purists might too.

Agreed 100% public vote... plus the £90k crew can't be trusted to be impartial.

They were caught out last week and who is going to take the flak for that ...certainly not them !!

Silly sods couldn't work out that fixing a tie on the leaderboard could end up negating the public vote.

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No, no-one can clarify FOR DEFINITE exactly how the final will work.

The BBC are this minute frantically using fingers and toes to count past 3-3-1. That dude was put up on ITT only as a holding operation to give the impression the BBC understood GCSE maths. In so doing they exposed the reality that the BBC have not mastered GCSE English.

A few dance purists would be more concerned about who wins the World Amateur or Professional latin or ballroom dance competition. Not what is in the end an entertainment show for celebrities (and in the case of Lisa and Rachel arguably desperate to resurrect their career celebrities at that)!

Yes, after carefully watching the explanation twice ... I think you are right ...

After the elimination of one couple in Part One (2 dances each), by judges scores/public votes (added to those judges scores/public votes carried forward roll-over from the Semi Final) the remaining two go head to head in the final showdown Showdance in Part Two (upon which the judges will comment, but not score).

The slate is wiped clean from Part One - and the public vote again in Part Two on the final two couples to select the Champions of SCD 6

But then if there's a triple tie at the end of Part One ... I give up ...

Here's the information.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/strictlycomedancing/vote/

Anything other than that is unconfirmed and speculative, unless the poster is privy to insider info.