I'm not one for conspiracy theories, but if the judges start throwing 10s at Tom on Saturday night and only give the girls 8s or 9s I'll start smelling something rodent-like.

If Tom didn't top the vote this week they'd be nuts to open the phone lines and ask people to vote for him since it would be impossible for him to win.

If at the last minute the phone vote is cancelled due to OFCOM regulations, the unscheduled extra time will have to be filled. Brucie will have to dredge up jokes from 60 and 70 years ago. The 4 judges will then have to perform Punch and Judy. You can do it, Len.

Then the judges can have a bitch off to decide which of them gets to come back next year. Len will go nuts and just start shouting Sev-ERN, Craig and Arlene will resort to trying to scratch each eyes out and Bruno will decide not to bother and do an Irish jig instead.

Originally Posted by soulmate61
Unanticipated scenarios remain unanticipated:

Dec13 judges:: 3-3-1
Dec13 phones: 1-3-2 (hypothetical)

Dec20 judges:: 3-2-1 (hypothetical)
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Aggregated :::: 7-8-4 (hypothetical)

At the point when Dec20 phone vote opens, all votes for Tom on 4 points mathematically cannot save him from eviction, so will be unlawful as per OFCOM rules. Ready for another round of Tom vote refunds Mr Beasley? Or is it no evictions again?

I'm not one for conspiracy theories, but if the judges start throwing 10s at Tom on Saturday night and only give the girls 8s or 9s I'll start smelling something rodent-like.


Obviously the bbc now know, who scored what via the public, if the above senario, happens they have no reason for a phone vote at all, and no reason for a first section of the final , they might as well put lisa and racheal straight through to the final 2.

i dont know if i have this right, but if Tom didnt score the highest with the public on saturday, then its doomed from the start?
What would be the point of opening the phone lines for any of them?
you wouldnt need to vote at all as raheal and lisa would go through anyway.
Wouldnt we be back to the fiasco of this saturday then. that it wouldnt matter how many times you voted, and even if he came top with the public, he would be the first to leave.
all this is so stupid.

Tom can avoid 3rd place by getting the most public votes, unless there is another tie, but I think they will be more canny in how they mark, so that there will be an order of 1,2,3.

So, in summary, Brucie will dredge up jokes from 60 and 70 years ago.

The [BBC] ..will disclose for the first time ever the leaderboard total from last Sat. The marks will be displayed at the beginning of Sat's show':


Dec13 judges:: 3-3-1
Dec13 phones: 1-3-2 (hypothetical)


Couples will dance

Len will go nuts and just start shouting Sev-ERN.


..the judges start throwing 10s at Tom


Dec20 judges:: 3-2-1
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Aggregated :::: 7-8-4

People will vote

331, 321, 331, 123, 133, 123, 123, 111, 134, 322................aaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


.. all votes for Tom cannot save him from eviction, so will be unlawful as per OFCOM rules.


.... all votes refunded?

Len suddenly producing an 11 paddle



The phone vote to save Tom is a waste of time again he wouldnt be able to catch up

Last saturday is happening all over again.

The phone vote to save Rachel is a waste of time again she wouldnt be able to be caught and her votes would not carry on to the final 2 so you are wasting your time and money again

Last saturday is happening all over again.




At the last minute the phone vote is cancelled due to OFCOM regulations, the unscheduled extra time will have to be filled. Brucie will have to dredge up jokes from 60 and 70 years ago. The 4 judges will then have to perform Punch and Judy. You can do it, Len.

Then the judges can have a bitch off to decide which of them gets to come back next year. Len will go nuts and just start shouting Sev-ERN, Craig and Arlene will resort to trying to scratch each eyes out and Bruno will decide not to bother and do an Irish jig instead.

a message [will] pop up saying "To be continued next year...."


Everyone, including Tess, get a Glitterball



Thats it!!



er.... But at least the BBC have plans if someone gets injured

This is what Bruno and Craig think about the whole "scandal"

'Get over it', Strictly judges Craig and Bruno blast viewers over BBC voting bungle

I couldn't agree more.

With you on that.
Karen Hardy commented , this is what happens with live TV , and she should be in a position to say so .

All microphones are now stitched into costumes and in the event of any probelm tehy just ahve to carry on ..As he said last night they have contigencies in place now for all of thsoe eventualities , but not for a tie as happened on Saturday .

Absolutely! To put it into perspective (I hope!): it's not the end of the world, nobody died, it's not even the Olympics, it's just a light entertainment programme.

The BBC is in a no-win situation, they've dealing with it as best they can (please tell me I'm not actually feeling sorry for the Beeb! ) and now it's time to move past it and just look forward to enjoying the final.

Perhaps the BBC should have foreseen this but they didn't and I'm sure that they're already making contingency plans for next year for everything they can think of, no matter how unlikely!

I bet Bruno and Craig never wasted any money voting on Saturday (I didn't either). The voters are also paying the judges wages so maybe they should just shut up and stick to judging.

So Brendan was annoyed was he. Nothing new there then!!

IvanIV, weren't even you just a little be annoyed by the episode. Don't you think that the votes for the final might be skewed a bit by the action the BBC have taken. I will watch the final but it will be a bit like watching the repeat.

To say the lottery has a rollover shows just how daft he is. The lottery Rollover is in the Rulles so you know what you are letting youself in for.

The BBC though are making up the rules on the fly. Whether the BBC like it there is a contract in place between the BBC & the voters. The BBC broke that contract by changing the rules

I too assumed that they would do it this way, as it's the simplest way, and (as long as there isn't a tie again in the leaderboard) it means that the public can save any of the 3 couples.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/strictlycomedan...e_151208.shtml


I think it's becoming clear now.

The judges will MARK in the final, but no points will be allocated. (only way to avoid repeat futile vote scenarios)

It HAS to be...

last weeks judges 3, 3, 1
last weeks public 1, 2, 3
this weeks judges marks (no bearing)
this weeks public 1, 2, 3

In event of tie, public vote win

ONLY way to avoid possible repeat shambles?

Any opinions?

The way I have read it the judges score counts to the leaderboard.

The statement says:
Our three couples will then dance and the judges will score them. The audience will vote on those performances. These results will be added to the leader board and the couple with the lowest overall score will leave the competition.

So you end up with last week's Judge's and phone vote and this weeks Judges and phone vote.

So there are 4 elements to the score.

surely it would be better if they kept putting it down to a 3-2-1 after each vote is added

L 3 + 1= 4
R 3 + 2= 5
T 1 + 3= 4 (most seem to assume T topping the board but varied opinions on the girls order)

gives a starting carry over board of

R 3
T 2 (as public vote has precedence in above tie)
L 1

this would be the effective position after last week's votes if the normal calculations had been made

next set of judges marks converted to 3-2-1 again as normal giving (anything possible but just for example)

R 3 + 3 =6 converts to 3
T 2 + 1 =3 1
L 1 + 2 =3 2 (if this time the new ie judges
marks take precedence)

then it's over to the public votes as normal which means you're back in the 'natural' position that in that, absence of a dance off, anyone can still go after the public vote rather than being back in a situation where more total points=bigger gaps=someone is safe/doomed no matter what

That does not imply the judges scores will be added to the result. It simply says the judges will score (as usual) and the audience will vote.

"These results will be added..." means the audience results, not the judges scores.

There is no way BBC can allow judges 1, 2, 3 weights to be applied in this final, without creating possible "futile phone voting" scenarios. Am I the only one who can see that?!?!?

What they are saying now is not what they said in ITT on Monday.Looks like they have changed there mind about the judges votes counting in the final

This series is getting ridiculous and who is the blame? Not the dancers or production team but the judges. How many complaints are towards how the judges bullied John Sergeant and other dancers, then the ridiculous score. Do the BBC really want all these publicity (but not positive one)? I doubted. I suspect this maybe the last series of SCD.

Sadly, it's not how I see it. According to the BBC website
This combined score will be announced on the leader board at the top of the first show. Our three couples will then dance and the judges will score them. The audience will vote on those performances. These results will be added to the leader board and the couple with the lowest overall score will leave the competition.

If the judges' score doesn't count why bother to score? They don't score in the show dance, just comment. I'm afraid the judges still have their say on the final. Basically the person who has got 5 point from last week means that they are more popular than the other girl and so is likely to go through and win. The good thing is there's other possibilities too, unlike last week, which is impossible for Tom to escape the dance off.

Craig and Bruno are paid a fortune for their roles in the show, and that's largely financed by the telephone votes that are made by members of the public who earn a fraction of what those two pompous divas do. What a vile pair.

Luckyforest - I'm with you on the wording of the statement that the judges and phone vote on Saturday are added to last week's leaderboard.

I lean towards Greytop's reading, hacking through the BBC's appallingly ambiguous use of language (e.g. audience will vote meaning viewers will vote).

After combining 4 sets of ranking points the lowest of 3 candidates will leave.

Then the viennese waltz and showdance will be performed by the remaining two couples. The judges will pass comments but NOT mark these dances. If the judges mark these two last dances the marks will be academic and only designed to influence phone voters, because judges marks count for 49%, phone votes for 51%.

Phone voters will choose the glitterball winner from the last two couples.

What I find funniest is that the BBC tried to clear it all up but haven't! The fact that different people are reading different things into the statement shows how ambiguous it is