Thank you. I thought I was the only one in love with this dance. Didn't you love the song choice.

But I still love the beautiful Waltz the best.

I'm no expert and I certainly picked up on it. I'm not being biased here - I've commended some of Lisa's other dances, but that Jive was awful.

No I can't really. I thought it looked great! Think the only thing I said whilst watching it was that she looked a bit hunched! Similarly when Rachel's jive was pulled to bits I couldn't figure that one out either - I loved it!

I would even say, it was one of the worst dances seen in that stage of the competition. Just terrible.

But I still can't take the fact away from Lisa that she had one of the best dances of the series if not the best with her stunning Viennese Waltz.

Hear hear!


It was a clever choice of song. It permitted Rachel to do what she does best - sell those really warm and tender dances with the music to match.

I am astounnded by that comment! I thought Lisa's AT was off balance and gangely.

Iv'e also noticed the judges are overly tough on Tom and I think they undermarked him on Saturday.

Ramps also did the jive in the quarter finals and only got 27 - he was massively out of time and totally mucked it up. But he recovered from it and went on to win. Not saying Lisa will win - i'd bet my house that she won't but if Ramps can be forgiven for a substandard dance at that stage of the comp, why can't Lisa? She deserves her place in the final.

Because Ramps might have done a bad jive but at least he was marked honestly for it unlike Lisas which was still above 30. Whilst I thought she put alot of effort into it it just wasnt there and felt alot of her marks were for effort and the fact she cannot do anything about her long legs.

Ramps was forgiven, imo, because he was a class act.

I don't think Lisa is being forgiven by many because she isn't very good. Just my opinion of course, so don't rain fire on me

I'm of the opinion that all the contestents have been overmarked at some point (even my favourite Rachel!), but this came at such a crucial time. Had Lisa been more realisically marked for that Jive, she might have fallen below Austin on the table and faced someone else in the dance-off and gone.

The same goes for her AT. Had Len not been so overly generous, there would have been daylight between Lisa and Rachel at the top of the leaderboard and a proper dance-off instead of the farce that ensued!


Absolutely.

Do you honestly think all 4 judges conspire before the show to determine the marks before they've even danced? I agree that sometimes Len and Bruno can be generous but never Craig. He is quite the opposite. If he thinks it was worthy of an 8, I'll go along with that. Craig is the most honest judge by a mile.

Absolutely I’m not disputing the fact Lisa is in the final, I’m happy for all the couples who are in the final. I’m extremely biased in this sense I loved mark and Karen like no other, although their dance technique wise was poor, absolutely loved the performance, they were so charismatic.

My point was that even though some celebrities exiled in one genre and whilst poor in others. They all had one dance in which they proved themselves; Like Ramps did with his Waltz to show people he can dance ballroom. I have yet to see Lisa prove herself in the Latin.

Suppose it's just a matter of taste though. I loved her Rumba and Paso. And marks wise she proved herself with the Cha Cha Cha.

I think they ALL told a story in their own way - Rachel & Vincent's story was better IMO - Lisa's was a bit downmarket for me - the AT is one of my favourite dances and I have never seen a professional AT danced like that, I know Brendan didn't do the choreography, buy all it seemed to do was show off Lisa's legs and she was a bit hunched for my liking. I do like Lisa but what I find off putting in their partnership is their almost equal height - I think Tom was hard done by with his choreography as I think he is capable of doing a lot more but wasn't really given the chance - by the way Vincent & Flavia choreographed Ramps AT and Karen was wearing Flavia's dress !

Personally I was more annoyed about the ridiculous 10 for Lisa's AT. Len would have needed a 12 at least to mark Rachel's fairly in comparison.

Yes that was foolish. And I hope Claudia questions Len about this.

Because the scores were overly generous again! But I'll let that one slide as Rachel was also overmarked for her rather pedestrian Cha Cha, and the marks on both occasions didn't affect the leaderboard.

Erm I never actually said they had conspired, I dont believe in that, that doesnt mean I dont think they ALL overmarked that dance by at least 1 mark including Craig and they seemed to say good for you Lisa for trying when they should have been honest and marked it low because the dance was technically got very good at all. Same actually goes for Tom on Saturday who wasnt in time though I think overall he was slightly better.

I agree with Sid, at some time or other all of the dancers have been overmarked but when it gets to this late a stage of the competition it really matters, that overmark had it produced a score near Ramps which I think it should have done could have meant her being bottom of the leaderboard.

And that one just added fuel to the conspiracy fire, it was that unjust a mark. And to prove Im not biased completely like the ten Austin received for his Salsa!

Indeed it is. Certainly the Cha Cha Cha was her best effort in Latin.

I was never Ramp's strongest supporter - I could never understand the hype and found his personality (dancing and otherwise) boring.

However, even with this opinion, I can see that while Ramp's jive was not the best (I blame Karen's complicated choreography that was designed to show off "her" dance), every other one of Ramp's other latins were vastly superior to Lisa's. Their ballrooms are probably on par.

Ramp was forgiven because he could not cope with some very difficult choreography in one latin dance. Lisa is not forgiven because her choreography is far simpler and even then she can't cope in most latin dances.

I thought his 10 for Lisa's AT (which I liked, btw) was more controversial; Lisa was overmarked by a couple of points at least I think (surprised that Craig gave her QS a 10) whereas I thought Rachel's marks were more or less fair-ish.

Len has every right to give a relatively low mark (by his standards) if he thinks a dance is lacking what he considers to be the appropriate content (I thought his 8 for Austin's Paso was about right too, especially when everyone else gave him 10s). Lisa's underserved 10s were more of a problem for me than any undeserved 8s (for Rachel).

I've had a few disagreements with Craig this series; I think he has savagely & spitefully undermarked some couples and slightly overmarked others on several occasions. How many of this series' 40s, 39s, and 38s (where everyone has given 10 apart from Len or Craig) have been truly deserved?

(I liked Ramps because [like Matt D'A and unlike Tom] he looked the part and because he could really conquer Latin at times [especially his Samba]; I won't win any fans for this, but I think he won in spite of Karen rather than because of her [I rarely like Karen's choreography; handclapping should be banned from everything apart from the Paso])

I completely disagree with you there. I think what made Mark look good on the dance floor was Karen charismatic and electric performances. Just imagine the paso, Salsa and argentine Tango with Camilla or Erin. It would never had worked.

Karen music choices and choreography for mark was simply fantastic, I’ve never had the feeling after they finished a dance that they could have made better chooses and I have never had the same feeling sense. Loved Mark and Karen.

Normally Karen is OTT but it worked well with Mark because he was so reserved, similar to Alesha & Matt last year.