Personally, Lisa didn't come up on my radar for a long time for either looks or personality. She is fairly natural and warm, there's just a tinge of desperation to be popular and please, that's all. She's basically been brought to the point of nervous exhaustion twice by the danceoff and when the relief hits her she starts blubbing and blames it on sympathy for the losing dancer. I'm not even sure she has the insight into herself to know the real reason.
It's a shame nobody's doing bets on her reaction to going out in third place tomorrow. I think she'll probably allow herself a short but sentimental blub on camera and express gratitude etc, but after she goes backstage she'll be unconsolable for at least the next two days.
Sorry to psychologize, prognostication is such fun

I take it you missed my two earlier posts on this thread including the one asking if we could just be positive?

Surely Tom and Austin are "cocky" and "sure of themselves"?

Yet it's always the females who get these sort of threads started about them.

If Lisa grovelled, would that do it for you?

I think Lisa comes across a lot better on Britain's Next Top Model. She's always nice to the girls and unless they're completely rubbish always finds something good in their picture if the others are just slating the model. I can see where people are coming from with the fake and all of that perceptions of her, because I think it's her smile in front of the cameras. She usually has such a nice, natural smile on BNTM, but it does seem somewhat forced and over the top when she's waiting to go on to dance. Anyways I think Lisa's alright on the whole.

The only real problem I have is at the start when everyone was finding out who their partner was Lisa said she didn't want Brendan because he was mean and scary or something like that. But if she watches her own programme she would've seen Brendan was really nice to the girls who as a challenge had to dance with him. And also he was a guest judge and he didn't really have anything mean or nasty to say about anyone so she can't have thought he was a complete meanie. She seemed to get on with him well enough on BNTM but maybe she thought he was a completely different person when it comes to Strictly? I dunno it confused and annoyed me, even though I think Brendan is a bit of an arrogant bum at times, that's all.

Well maybe that's it. And if I can see it as that it is understandable then I can like her (well not like just 'get' rather than dislike because I don't get her) cos it gives her human traits, she maybe like you say just doesn't have the insight.

Which is besides the point. You asked me to be positive considering the final is tomorrow and I responded saying it is my right to post in whatever manner I see fit. Do you think you are boss of the board and we should seek your approval before posting comments?

Hmm, so, you think I'm being nasty so you project nastiness on me.

Well I'm not intenionally being nasty, as another poster said I did just start this topic for conversation-sake and because it had been bugging me about Lisa for some time, so why can't I ask?

I don't even know why I'm justifying myself. Probbaly because once I start posting in these forums I get addicted which is why I try not to!

I found it really hard to warm to Lisa at first.

But now, I love her. I find her quite endearing, though I'm not sure why. I think she's improved greatly and I don't think she expects to win at all.

I know she won't win, but it would be nice.

shes the most genuine person left .. ahem .. imo

If the OP was making conversation, why didn't the OP respond and converse to points raised in negation to her gut feeling? See my response below which could have been either accepted or negated by OP, which is also in regard to BuddyB's post.

Here's a positive; Lisa Snowdon has been an ambassador for the Breast Cancer Care Charity since 2005. October was Breast Cancer Awareness Month and Lisa Snowdon gave a very personal interview, available to find online, to highlight the necessity for women and girls to be aware of the benefits of early diagnosis. And the subjective viewpoint will be self-promotion, IMO

It's not a case of trying to kill a conversation, it's responding to the thread began by the OP, and if the OP doesn't want to see the good in people, regardless of personal feelings then why start the thread in the 1st place? IMO it wasn't for conversation's sake.
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I've resisted giving an opinion on this all series. Why I'm doing it now, I'm not sure.

I suppose the thing with Lisa is that she's a perfectly nice person. Nothing wrong with her at all, except she can be a little over "coy" at times. A little needy, not always an attractive thing in a person in their mid thirties. Of course there is no personal experience to base this on other than the clips from the training rooms (which are edited frantically to "make" a story) and the interviews on ITT which Brendan dominates. I reckon it's that semi-submissive aspect of her character which annoys people about her. On the other hand Cherie was quite the opposite and was quite dominant. People hated her for that too. The celebs can't really win, can they?

Initially I didn't take to Lisa, but as SCD progressed I found myself warming to her and I now think she is a genuinely nice person. Now and again she seems to suffer from a bit of 'foot in mouth' disease, but I don't think there is any malice in her remarks.

I think Rachel is the best dancer but if, by some outside chance, Lisa and Brendan lift the trophy I won't think it undeserved.

Can I ask a question: how do you differentiate between a 'genuine' person and a 'fake' one from seeing them on a dancing reality programme?

There's no 'boss of the board' - is that normal where you usually post? Actually my main point were this subject has been done to death - which you would have realised if you'd bothered to check. If you felt the need you could have posted on one of those many threads instead of starting yet another 'I really can't stand XXX'' thread.

As you say it is your right to post in whatever manner you see fit, so no doubt you'll just carry on exercising your rights which judging by your posts on here last night won't contain much that is positive so I'd be wasting my breath.

Well then all I can say is you're not very perceptive then are you?

I'm not going to point all that is wrong with your post. It just seems to be you are one the defensive people on this forum that jumps in feet first without actually readin what people write!

I wasn't asking for a bloody character reference for Lisa, just wanting someone to put their finger on what it was about her I didn't like...don't you read things before you reply to them?

but no one is going to be able to tell why you don't like her - personally I think she's lovely but there's something about Rachel I don't like - it's horses for courses

For conversation's sake? If that were true, then...


this isn't. Make up your mind. A "conversation" is about exchanging points of view, IMO. I don't think "conversation" was the intention here at all, just a nasty attempt to put Lisa down, as umpteen numpties have done before you.

I think Lisa is lovely.
I think all three are.

For what it's worth - and I've resisted commenting too much as many have on the subject, because it's a difficult one - here's my take on Lisa.

She hasn't really been on a significant 'huge improvement in her dance journey'.

She was always good at ballroom, and even did okay with some latin (rhumba and paso) She is not great at fast latin, but managed to do the cha cha quite well.
Her ball room has improved, so have both the others'.

But it's a shtick of the show that she HAS, and instead of accepting it with a smile etc. SHE ACTIVELY PROMOTES THIS.

In her relationship with Brendan, which has improved, she goes ON and ON about it. AS if her relationship was so much closer than the others. Again, on what I have seen, not necessarily true.

The danceoffs are another thing she constantly pushes publicly - but she has been in 3 and R&V 2 - and that was the last one.

It feels as if she has either :

Swallowed all the hype and internalized and BELIEVES it all - and is therefore a bit deluded.

Or she is quite aware what she is doing - has no real respect for the public's intelligence and had colluded with the show's PTB to promote their angle on her vigorously. This smacks of a lack of personal integrity,

But is probably why those in the show like her.

Yeah well you're wrong. And other over-eager defensive numpty like umpteen numpties on this board.

Why do you take it so personally???
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if you dislike the numpties on this board why don't you stay posting the the BB board then - this board is usually quite friendly

If you look at the post I was replying to she called me a numpty hence my reply.

Sorry to quote my own post - timing out issues-

To continue - this is why I think people don't like her (but can't quite see why) This is why she comes across as desperate - she'll sell her integrity out to be the media 'in the know' golden girl - and to win. Or she's needy and mad and deluded.

Disclaimer - I don't know her, she may be very nice, this is only my take from seeing her in action over the weeks etc.

Good posts and I think the qualities about her are the fact she seems desperate and needy, I think that's what gets to me. Plus like another poster says she puts on a coy act which I don't buy at all.

Plus she makes out she and Brendan are so hard done by - I felt really uncomfortable when she said something backstage like "..oh yes ok so you know we'll be in the dance-off again" as if it the couple were being bullied or picked on or something.

Cue The Defenders jumping down my throat.

I'm not a defender but do you reckon that maybe she just knew she;d be in the dance off cause she knew that it wasn't a good enough dance to save her? Thus being 'humble' and, as humble people go, Tom Chambers takes the title for self humility.

I'll go along with the desperate/needy/coy theme. The bleedin' tears do my head in.

Also I'm prejudiced against Suvverners and she does that annoying Cockernee whine that I detest. So she was never gonna be MY winner.