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Why did Brucie Tell Jon Off?
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scdjm
21-12-2008
Originally Posted by johnash:
“Bruce was angry with John Sergeant because he knew what Mr Sergeant was up to. He had pulled his partner to the front so that he could get maximum exposure/publicity.

Why can't people see through this guy? He has been dealing with politicians for decades; he is no innocent!

He wanted maximum coverage for himself (he is now making a fortune out of all this). Bruce saw this happening and was riled by this manipulating and scheming little man. Well done Bruce!”

Spot on! They all fall over each other for maximum exposure,and show how desperate there are, at any cost to be noticed!
Bigbruddah
21-12-2008
How on earth can people who watch Bruce Forsyth week in week out, say it was a joke or a 'quip'? Watch it again. Listen to the tone of voice. He said not once, but twice.

As for people inferring that JS had knocked into him earlier hence the 'who on earth was that?' remark - again untrue. JS was standing on the other side of Tom and Camilla when Bruce was 'knocked'. He was doing what everyone else was doing - going to congratulate them, not 'trying to steal the limelight' as suggested. If he'd wanted to do that he'd have stayed in the show.

I cannot believe the was JS has been treated and portrayed, simply because he was a popular choice with the public. Likewise Tom now is getting the same treatment. An undeserving winner apparently because it was either a fix, a travesty, a tragedy, the worst dancer won etc. etc ... regardless of the fact that the majority of the public wanted him to win, hence their voting for him.

In addition to being unnecessary sarcastic Bruce Forsyth also spoke over both Tom and Camilla in that final interview. He accuses JS of trying to steal their limelight and then goes and does it himself. I've got nothing against the bloke, never, ever written a negative post about him before, and am not one of the 'get rid of Brucie' brigade. I think he does a great job, but stressed, or not stressed his behaviour at the end was bang out of order.
kyresa
21-12-2008
Originally Posted by Groundhog:
“Crikey. Some people are so naive. Scary how different people can see the same event in such contrasting ways.

My take on the 'event': Brucie was genuinely annoyed and angry with John. Bruce is actually capable of doing a harmless and funny one-liner. This wasn't one of them.

In Bruce's defence he probably had the director shouting in his earpiece to finish off the show. I didn't see it as a 'joke'. Just look at Bruce's face and the tone of his voice.

John's reaction was basically... "WTF?"...”


Agree with this! I saw it and thought "goodness that was a bit rude" !
PlasticGob
21-12-2008
I thought Bruce was rude, he should have acted more like a pro and ignored John. I hope he retires, he is cringeworthy at times, his jokes are awful, he fluffs his lines he needs to take a back seat now.
Yorkie47
21-12-2008
Originally Posted by RobWolf:
“He's been dodging the coffin for years”

What a pathetic thing to say. What makes people think they have the right to be so bloody rude about the old?
FM Lover
21-12-2008
Originally Posted by miffysmate:
“I got the impression that Bruce was joking with John not meaning it seriously.”

I am not so sure, I work with guys who grew up on the same estate where Bruce lives (at Wentworth) and they say he can be a nasty b*****d.
who me?
21-12-2008
Originally Posted by Bigbruddah:
“How on earth can people who watch Bruce Forsyth week in week out, say it was a joke or a 'quip'? Watch it again. Listen to the tone of voice. He said not once, but twice.

As for people inferring that JS had knocked into him earlier hence the 'who on earth was that?' remark - again untrue. JS was standing on the other side of Tom and Camilla when Bruce was 'knocked'. He was doing what everyone else was doing - going to congratulate them, not 'trying to steal the limelight' as suggested. If he'd wanted to do that he'd have stayed in the show.

I cannot believe the was JS has been treated and portrayed, simply because he was a popular choice with the public. Likewise Tom now is getting the same treatment. An undeserving winner apparently because it was either a fix, a travesty, a tragedy, the worst dancer won etc. etc ... regardless of the fact that the majority of the public wanted him to win, hence their voting for him.

In addition to being unnecessary sarcastic Bruce Forsyth also spoke over both Tom and Camilla in that final interview. He accuses JS of trying to steal their limelight and then goes and does it himself. I've got nothing against the bloke, never, ever written a negative post about him before, and am not one of the 'get rid of Brucie' brigade. I think he does a great job, but stressed, or not stressed his behaviour at the end was bang out of order.”

I was hoping Bruce was joking with JS. It was a fun chaotic moment and although Bruce had to control it a bit I felt he didn't do it too well either. I loved him on ITT this week, loved his stories and respect him as a performer.
Like you I also thought it was a shame he spoke over Tom's victory speech. It was obvious he was working up to thank Camilla last but Bruce spoiled that by interrupting and reminding him about Camilla. I really don't think Tom wouldn't have done that without the prompt but he wasn't really given the chance.
mr_wonderful
21-12-2008
John is probably not exactly flavour of the month with many people on SCD. The has been a lot of bitterness surrounding the whole situation and I think that came out with what Bruce said.
mossy2103
21-12-2008
Originally Posted by Amethyzt:
“Ever the little politician, pushing his face forward to be in the camera shots...well done Brucie for putting him in his place !”

Yes, JS should have took a back seat at that point, as the spotlight was quite rightly there for the SCD 2008 winners, Tom & Camilla. It did seem to be a rather shameless attempt by JS to grab the limelight.

Good on Bruce to put him in his place.
astropoet
21-12-2008
Originally Posted by mossy2103:
“Yes, JS should have took a back seat at that point, as the spotlight was quite rightly there for the SCD 2008 winners, Tom & Camilla. It did seem to be a rather shameless attempt by JS to grab the limelight.

Good on Bruce to put him in his place.”

I agree, I thought it was a blatant attempt to hog the camera.
kyresa
21-12-2008
Originally Posted by mr_wonderful:
“John is probably not exactly flavour of the month with many people on SCD. The has been a lot of bitterness surrounding the whole situation and I think that came out with what Bruce said.”



Indeed, I'm flabbergasted to have just read a story on DS that they are now blaming JS for the voting fiasco last weekend.

When will it end??!?
Chisato Geeste
21-12-2008
Bruce is clearly bullying John. I suggest we all contact OFCOM and the Daily Mail to get this despicable tyrant of our tv screens once and for all. John is a delicate little flower and must be wrapped up in cotton wool- he might sufer a heart attack if Bruce continues torturing him in this way.

I intend to start a siege of the BBC building and burn effigies of Bruce. Who is with me?
Liza with a Zee
21-12-2008
I loved John Sargent but went off him last night when he pulled Kristina to the front and tried to hog the limelight. Bruce quick as a flash seen this and put a stop to it. Good for you Bruce. Doddery you are not!!
Doghouse Riley
21-12-2008
Originally Posted by Amethyzt:
“Ever the little politician, pushing his face forward to be in the camera shots...well done Brucie for putting him in his place !”


Exactly!
He took the rise out of the whole series, he was ever "me, me, me!"
Many of his votes were from the "bloody minded," it could never have been for his dancing or the pathetic "efforts" he put into his attempts at it.

Now I've no problem with that, it's just an entertaining programme. But I've always thought him a bumptious and arrogant person, it's a pity some can't see through him.
I find he's quite creepy really. I'm glad Bruce put him in his place.
Even Christina had the dignity to hold back. John positioned himself right next to the trophy grabbed her hand and pulled her to stand next to him. He looked like a cartoon character in his outfit.

Err..

I don't care if anybody thinks he's wonderful, you are welcome to your own opinions, but you won't change mine. I saw what you must have seen too.

Shame that a girl with a perfect score in two dances could only manage third. "What were the chances of that happening?"
Lisa had the most pleasant personality and was very gracious in defeat.

The series has now become tired and far too long. It's all about trying to beat X-factor in the ratings war.
I've never ever voted, though I've watched or recorded every show, I can't understand why some people bother to pay for a call every week.
gkmacca
21-12-2008
Originally Posted by Bigbruddah:
“ Tom now is getting the same treatment. An undeserving winner apparently because it was either a fix, a travesty, a tragedy, the worst dancer won etc. etc ... regardless of the fact that the majority of the public wanted him to win, hence their voting for him.

.”

That's an understandable generalisation, but it's not an assumption we can make - plenty of people have acknowledged that they vote several times - indeed, most who do vote appear to vote more than once for their chosen dancer rather than everyone simply registering one vote and then drinking a cup of tea - so the question is how small or large was the number of people who voted again and again for Chambers, and we just don't have access to that fact. To assume, because he or anyone else won, that therefore the majority of viewers agreed is just not correct. (Imagine if people could vote endless times at a general election - do you think that would produce a result that reflected the nation rather than a minority of activists? That's the problem with the generalisation.)
Psychosis
21-12-2008
BUllying? Treatment? Stop with the dramatic language.

John was taking up 50% of the camera. Bruce told him to go away. He might have been a bit brisk about it but it was necessary.
Stunty
21-12-2008
Bruce didn't seem to be joking, rather he was deadly serious, his facial expression gave away his displeasure. I have since watched it again and my view has not changed. John seemed to amble on, congratulate the winners, then hung around at the front of the group, then reached out to Kristina to get her to stand next to him.

It all seemed a rather usavoury finish to what has been a series full of turmoil. Listening to Bruce on the radio yesterday, he said he was relieved that the show was at an end ..... his remark to John just seemed like he had come to the end of his tether.

Let's hope that next year's series will return to the calm and sedate entertainment programme that we all enjoyed in previous years.
mr_wonderful
21-12-2008
Thats the problem I have with this series. SCD was an antidote to the OTT and cynical X-Factor but level of downright nastiness and bitterness displayed this year has turned some people off.
Dan06
21-12-2008
I adore Bruce but it looked as if he was genuinely displeased with John being on centre stage at the end and repeated 'You're not the winner John' twice to get him to move out of the way for Tom and Camilla which is a job he has to do - getting the contestants to stand by the judges or wherever at a certain point.
kitten12
21-12-2008
Originally Posted by Wiz Net:
“I don't know about the FM you aimed this at but I have been bullied and I know it when I see it. John was bullied. It can take many forms and happens in all walks of life.

It was one of the low lights of the show for me when he left. The judges were a disgrace when it came to him. I wonder who the BBC will invite to take part next year just so they can use them as cannon fodder?”

John bullied? Don't make me laugh. So sick of reading this cr@p
mr_wonderful
21-12-2008
Originally Posted by kitten12:
“John bullied? Don't make me laugh. So sick of reading this cr@p”

No but the whole situation did get pretty unpleasant
jimmypink
21-12-2008
I thought the winners glory moment was an unorganised, badly planned melee of limelight hoggers - why on earth did they let all the other contestants scrum onto the floor before Tom & Camilla, or Rachel & Vincent as runners up, say their thanks and savour the moment, for a moment? I was delighted with the result - either Tom or Rachel would have pleased me - but disappointed with the trophy moments.

I played Sky+ back several times after first hearing Bruce exclaim "Oh God! Who was that?!" - we couldn't see what had caused him to say that but he sounded like he'd just been kneed in the kidneys or something (and no, JS was in shot so it wasn't him).

It was obvious he and Tess had no control over the proceedings and no doubt both were getting producers' yelps in their ear pieces - as Bruce had said earlier in the programme in response to off-shot instructions from the floor manager, he'd "had it up to here" so that comment to JS was definitely a stress reaction in my opinion, not a joke at all. But neither was it "bullying" - that's plain silly.

And yes, JS DID hover in the centre of the crowd all the time. I like him, enjoyed his performances, was sorry he quit.........but that doesn't make him a complete angel.
gkmacca
21-12-2008
Originally Posted by Dan06:
“I adore Bruce but it looked as if he was genuinely displeased with John being on centre stage at the end and repeated 'You're not the winner John' twice to get him to move out of the way for Tom and Camilla which is a job he has to do - getting the contestants to stand by the judges or wherever at a certain point.”

Forsyth has always had a nasty streak, but more often than not in these situations he's just guilty of insensitivity - he used to speak to some contestants on The Generation Game as if they were dirt (it looked funny when they were cocky, but when they were modest and vulnerable it just looked cruel). He gets away with it more these days because of his venerable age.
Doghouse Riley
21-12-2008
Originally Posted by gkmacca:
“Forsyth has always had a nasty streak, but more often than not in these situations he's just guilty of insensitivity - he used to speak to some contestants on The Generation Game as if they were dirt (it looked funny when they were cocky, but when they were modest and vulnerable it just looked cruel). He gets away with it more these days because of his venerable age.”

Stop making me laugh.

Bruce was desperately trying to organise things for the benefit of the viewers. John Sargent was attempting an "Esther Rantzen" trying to position himself as the centre of attraction.

Bruce has always been a very genuine person. Many years ago my neice went to a kid's birthday party at a schoolfriend's house in Sunningdale, she'd have been about six.
On her return, she was asked if she'd had a good time, "Oh Yes!"she explained; "One of the other girls' daddies came and played the piano, sang songs and told us jokes." Her mother realised it had been Bruce, as his girls went to the same school.
PlasticGob
21-12-2008
Yes it was terribly unorganised. I think maybe next year just have the winners on and then bring the others on to congratulate. But I do feel Bruce needs to take some time off for the limelight! I know older people can carry on, my Nan is 95 and there is nothing wrong other than a bad back but he has earned a rest. I can understand though he wants to carry on as it is a job he loves.

I did feel he was rude to John but given the circumstances that the producers put him and Tess in the stage was nothing short of a cattle market.
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