More people voted in this Final than any other SCD Final and Tom won with a massive majority. The Sun have been very pro Rachel with her selling her interview to them so I am glad the BBC are reacting to the silly 'fix' allegations from some disgruntled fans. Hopefully they might reveal all the votes from the series soon.
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage...cle2064488.ece

Hmm. I'm not sure which sub-editor let the phrase 'Tom faced certain elimination' get through, when actually all he CERTAINLY faced was the dance-off, with the prospect of elimination ahead.

Still, given that 13 million people watched and only 1500 complained, I can't see anyone falling over themselves to release the figures as a sop to the viewing public

Who needs a revamp. 13.3 million beats X-Factors 12.7 milion for the final and we know its because of the controversy so the BBC are well happy I bet.

I bet Tom won by millions too. He won fair and square. The voters wanted him to win. If you anted Rachel or Lisa to win then you should have voted.

Tom really didn't have much competition - personality wise - once John Sargeant left .. it's no surprise that so many voted for him.

Well Tom was full of joy and good humour during the whole series. He loved to dance and his female contestants were rather desperate to win. Nothing the British public hate more then that kind of desperation. Lisa did nothing but cry and go on about how insecure she was which I think turned a lot of people off her. Who is she anyway? All I know is that she is the EX of George Clooney!!! Her constant need for re-assurance worn thin after a while. Rachel and Vincent were fab but Rachel was so desperate to win too and I think the public responded to Tom who was just dancing and having fun. He had a huge fan base from his TV Soap days!! AND his Show Dance was fantastic.

I wonder how true this is or is it the fact they reset the voting after the first elimination therefore causing more people to vote again.

“More people voted than in any other Strictly final. There were several million.”

Wasnt there about 5 million votes in the Gough/Jackson final ?

Wouldn't surprise me.
With only Rachbot and Spiderwoman to beat how could he fail?

Yeah, I think the fact that they reset the votes would have been significant.

Wouldn't surprise me if he did get a massive majority since he was in the final with two people who the public would have voted out weeks ago.

If it had been a final versus the likes of Austin, Jodie, Christine or John then it would have been a different matter.

well if you're going to ask who are people you might as well ask who is Tom Chambers - when the list of contestants was announced there were two people I have never heard of and that is Tom Chambers & Austin Healy, Lisa I know of from before she dated GC but I could or walked past the other two in the street & I would have had the foggiest idea of who they are - if it hadn't been for SCD I still wouldn't know who they were

Can`t believe people are still argueing over this.....I supported Rachel but Tom and Camilla saved their best performance to last....and deservedly took the title...As for the voting lines being engaged.....well a telecommunication expert once explained on the BB forum how these voting systems work....In summary if you get the engaged tone, it`s not because contestant "x" line is engaged.....the whole system is engaged........statisticaly if one person is voting for"y" and a million are voting for "x", then there`s exactly the same chance that the one "y" voter will get the engaged tone as any one individual, of the one million voting for "x" getting the engaged tone.

The allegations of a fix are ludicrous.

If anything they almost "fixed" it for the most popular contestant to go out in the semi-finals by putting him in a position where the vast majority of the voting public who had supported him all the way to the extent of him never being in a dance-off, would have been unable to avoid him being in a dance-off however many of them had voted however many times.

If there is a suggestion of fix about the final, and about the competition as a whole, it's Lisa's ridiculous overmarking throughout. Still, if that was the case, it didn't work because she was too unpopular with the public.

Their actions and their attitude could have resulted in a Lisa v Rachel final. Two contestants with 5 dance-offs between them. Very deserved winners

Unfortunately, the semi-final fiasco has left a sour taste in some people's mouths and marred Tom and Camilla's very deserved victory.

If 3-3-1 gate hadn't happened, the judges scores/dance off decisions would have succeeded in getting rid of the three favourites with the public - I'm including JS here even though he didn't actually get to a dance off - and left the Beeb with a boring 2 couple final between the two people less popular with the public. I wonder how many votes there would have been then. As it was the public had to keep voting to get their choice over the judges. In fact if the judges had given Tom first place marks, there may have been less votes cast, the Tom fans would have been less desperate to save him. It's a coincidence of circumstances. I'm putting it no higher than that.

If anything needs changing it's not some formula to get rid of someone who is at the bottom of the judges table 3 weeks in a row, as has been suggested after JS departure, but how to get the balance back with the public. There is never a dance off in a 3 couple final, so there should not be one in the semi if a couple's resignation means the 3 down to 2 bit happens in the semi. 3-3-1 gate wouldn't have happened then, even on those marks, Tom would have gone through.

Personally I think there should be no dance off where there are 4 competing - either the dance off has done it's job by then, or if the public are that determined, let them have their choice, even if it's an amiable and entertaining non dancer like JS. I think that if the judges had made less fuss, the GBP would have had enough of the joke, especially if it meant losing Austin or Tom, once the difference in performance became more obvious.

If the audience is seen to have the power it should have, 'fix' allegations will become less relevant. People may still think the judges overmark, but GBP would have the power to override, so it wouldn't matter so much.

seeing as the BBC make no money from the voting they may not actually care how many people vote

Sorry double post - I had to sign in again, I didn't think the first post went
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Totally agree. Tom was always going to win after never being in the dance-off. Both Rachel and Lisa were several times. I am bemused by the Daily Star story that the judges are to be axed to prevent this happening again and only the public votes will decide who goes through. If that was the case then both Rachel and Lisa would have never made the Final in theory. Surely the reporter at the Daily Star realises this fact and that their article makes no sense at all as the judges didnt want Tom in the Final?

in that case next year with can we look forward to a final with a JS type person that the public get behind no matter how bad they dance

Yes. I now understand the way the phonelines work which is why it always bemuses me when it crops up about engaged lines and people not being able to get through for a certain contestant. I suspect Tom fans just clogged up the whole network panic voting when they really didnt need to in the end.

Well it is the Daily Star and the whole article makes no sense at all. I would be happy enough with the dance-off being scrapped from the quarter final onwards though.

There always has been a duff dancer.
Julian Clary. Chris Parker. Nothing new.
Both those chaps were much loved.
Chris for trying so hard and Julian for - not trying so hard and mostly just being Julian.

It's what the majority wants to see - entertainment. Not desperate wannabes and has-beens sobbing all over the shop.

It's Saturday evening. Give us a break!
If I wanted pure dahhhnce (dahhhling) I'd stick to clips on youtube.

Agree. The show would be a lot less popular too and go back to the last few years of Come Dancing where very few viewers remained loyal to the show. The 'fix' allegations are totally ludicrous and some disgruntled fans of others need to get a little perspective. If anyone has a cause to moan it is the Tom fans who have seen his and Camilla's well deserved victory marred by these stupid allegations. I suggest Lisa's dad stop moaning to the media too. Someone should just point him to the YouTube clip of her showdance. Memorable for all the wrong reasons.

If the reports of how high JS was polling are to be believed, then he would have won anyway, judges or no judges. Barring a blatant attempt to get rid of him, such as the 3-3-1 absurdity, they would not have been able to get rid of him because the public would have always saved him, however low they had scored him.

What the judges, the producers and every anti-JS viewer has to remember is that at the start of the series, the judges were bigging up his love of dancing and his entertainment factor. It was a few weeks into the series, when the realistic possibility of this guy winning dawned upon them that they actually started slating him. They only have themselves to blame. Actually they only have themselves to blame for the shambles that SCD has ended up being this year. We have a winner who was, barring JS, a winner from the start and for all the right reasons, yet some are acting as if the contest had been won by someone with two left feet, no sense of rhythm, no flair for performance and the personality of a golf ball.


The way Lisa's dad has reacted goes a long way to explaining why Lisa reacts the way she does to criticism and disappointment. She's a spoilt daddy's girl too used to always having got her own way.


Or maybe he was just that popular. Random thought, I know.

Totally different reaction from the tabloid press in Lisa's local paper


http://www.whtimes.co.uk/content/wht...2017:53:10:203

christ since wehen did the sun and daily star actually say anything that was relevant and factual? ummm never!

i watched the final , first time iv watched strictly for years and im sorry but toms final dance completly floored rachels/lisa

I expect Tom was so far in front in the voting even before the showdance though that just confirmed the fact that he should win with the more neutral fans of the show. I have read a lot of posts on other sites from people who were not huge fans of his and had never voted but picked up the phone and did so after his showdance with Camilla.