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Tom Chambers - Most Popular SCD Winner With Most Votes Ever
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cubansalsa
26-12-2008
Originally Posted by Georgiecats:
“Whatever the voting figures reveal is irrelevant.

Tom came 3rd in the semi-final and should have been eliminated. On dancing ability it should have been Rachel the winner.”

I don't think he did finish 3rd after the public vote. No doubt the judges would have voted him off in the dance off but that would probably have very little to do with dancing ability either
jill1812
26-12-2008
Originally Posted by Georgiecats:
“Whatever the voting figures reveal is irrelevant.

Tom came 3rd in the semi-final and should have been eliminated. On dancing ability it should have been Rachel the winner.

When interviewing voters those voting for Tom said things like "I'm voting for Tom cos he's so hot". Therefore they only voted for him for one reason only.

It's a popularity competition. On the final night he also stumbled in the first dance.

People vote for who they like. He could have fallen flat on his face but cos he's "hot" (in their opinion) he couldn't lose.

Rachel should feel cheated.”

The judging of the competition is in two parts, you have to win both. Christine and Jodie were the most 'cheated' women they were trouncing Lisa and Rachel in the public vote but got booted to save them.

If you going on the Tom only won because people fancy him, on that basis surely Lisa and Rachel were getting votes becasue people fancy them, and judging by the showdance outfits were trying to capitalise on it.

There is no set criteria for the public vote on, but every year the public vote has produced a far better champion that the judges would. If it were upto the judges a man would never have won Strictly.
eunicelouise658
26-12-2008
I love SCD and I like being entertained I thought JS was a lovable joke but as I also like dancing he was not the one for me. My favourite was probably Austin but I also liked Tom's passion for dancing. I preferred Lisa to Rachel as I thought considering her wooden dancing at the beginning she really developed as a dancer. I would cry too if I was paired with that "ego" on the dance floor, Brendan. Rachel was just someone you think you should like but she left me cold.

I was overjoyed when Tom won as I do not believe the smug 4 (judges) should be able to manipulate the GBP.
Last edited by eunicelouise658 : 26-12-2008 at 16:08
soulmate61
26-12-2008
Originally Posted by eunicelouise658:
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..... I do not believe the smug 4 (judges) should be able to manipulate the GBP.”

GBP has already been manipulated down to near parity with EUR.
ArtyAttack
26-12-2008
Originally Posted by jill1812:
“The judging of the competition is in two parts, you have to win both. Christine and Jodie were the most 'cheated' women they were trouncing Lisa and Rachel in the public vote but got booted to save them.

If you going on the Tom only won because people fancy him, on that basis surely Lisa and Rachel were getting votes becasue people fancy them, and judging by the showdance outfits were trying to capitalise on it.

There is no set criteria for the public vote on, but every year the public vote has produced a far better champion that the judges would. If it were upto the judges a man would never have won Strictly.”

Totally agree. The judges wanted a Lisa versus Rachel final but the public scuppered their plans though not as much as the judges did themselves by not thinking through what having a dubious tie for top place in the semi-final would actually mean to the public voting and the mess that would follow.
katmobile
26-12-2008
Originally Posted by thenetworkbabe:
“Tom and Austin were far more desperate to win- their compettion was the big story of the series. They even only saw each other as threats. Brendan was as competitive for the same reasons but I don't think Lisa ever believed.

The fact that Tom won with a big majority just shows how pointless the public vote is if its going to vote for any male under 40 who looks good in a string vest and acts like one of the lads or even one over 60 who can't dance at all.

The size of the majority also kills the idea spun by the BBC that he won on the basis of the show dance -there wasn't time to get a massive vote in after the showdance. He won for the same reason as he won in the SF - a female audience will vote for a male who they find attractive in any sense even if his dancing standard is behind two females.”

Two words babe - Alesha Dixon - she won deservedly over two cute blokes last year (she actually expressed doubt she'd make the final as she actually expressed the opinion that the voters might just vote them both through on that basis) - it just isn't true that women don't vote for other women. Rachel was probably the best dancer but some of her dances like the foxtrot were technically good but a bit dull and I don't think she was a big enough personality to engage people and sometimes tend to talk in cliches which I think annoyed some people. Lisa too came across as a bit too much at times and it made some doubt who authentic she was nor was I the only person who felt she was chronically over-marked. I couldn't bear Brendan's attitude either this year and although it shouldn't be a personality contest it takes a greater degree of detachment than many can manage to root for someone whom makes you yell obscenities at the telly especially if you think victory will make them insufferable.

I personally wouldn't have voted for Tom to out of the last two had Tom and Camelia's showdance had not being so good (I'd have happily let Rachel win) and I never found him that cute meself - it was a combination of talent (which he did actually possess - the way some people talk about him you'd think he was John Sargeant), enthusiasm for what he was doing and sheer entertainment value - watching him was usually fun if nothing else - that endeared me to him and I felt all of these things formed the cornerstones of his and Cam's showdance. Obviously I can't speak for anyone else but that's my opinion.
Apricot
27-12-2008
I concede it is slightly harder for a woman to win a show such as SCD than a man but, as 3 of the winners out of 6 have been women, it's achievable. The women have to have that indefinable quality that attracts not repels other women plus they need to be good dancers!

I supported Tom from the off because his Cha Cha zinged - I don't particularly find him a hottie & his facial expressions and big chin were a bit offputting but the man could move across the dance floor with such enthusiasm and innate ability that he was my winner from day one &, as the weeks progressed, his appealing personality added to the mix.

As I understand it, he was the winner of the public vote in week 1 and then JS overtook him but he was always firmly in 2nd spot until JS left and then he was back in pole position.

Again, from what I understand, Rachel & Lisa were languishing at or near the bottom for most of the series. Christine was very popular and Jodie had a huge surge - both popular because they had appealing personalities and were good dancers. If the dance-off system had not been in place, they might even have progressed to the final.

My difficulty with this series is that I understand the judges' POV - they want the best dancers to win and, in their opinion, it would probably have been an Austin/Lisa/Rachel final on merit. Public might disagree which is fair enough |& what the programme is all about. Trouble is I'm sure the judges know week in week out the public voting figures and they have it within their power to overmark if they so desire to achieve their ends.

I know conspiracy theories provoke lofty disdain from some quarters but it really is not beyond the wit of the judges to work out possible scenarios that suit their cause.

I don't know what the answer is but I hope the production team come up with something better for SCD 7 - ridding us of the dance off from, say, 6 or even 5 couples remaining would be a good start.
samitza
27-12-2008
It doesn't surprise me that he won- he was the only one who didn't seem desperate to win, he was easily the most fun and entertaining and his showdance was the best dance of the series. Seeing as S Club 7 were last seen several years ago and Lisa is only famous for being George Clooney's ex, Tom also had the biggest fanbase.
Those people who think he shouldn't have won or that it was a fix need to get over it and realise that it is just a light entertainment show, not a serious dance contest. Tom was the deserving winner.
lulu g
27-12-2008
I don't think Tom is 'hot' at all, but I voted for him because he was the best natural dancer and because, as the man, he has to lead and therefore has a more difficult job. Also, he doesn't have long skirts to hide his footwork.
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